Fall enrollment 2023 record

[TomCat88]

16,978

[MSU01]

Fake number, doesn't end in 7.

[AFCAT]

Gris fans will tell us that it doesn’t matter, their failing university is still the flag ship.

[wbtfg]

In addition to record enrollment, it looks like we just had 6 new building projects approved (https://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/n ... b5744.html).

[TomCat88]

In addition to record enrollment, it looks like we just had 6 new building projects approved (https://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/n ... b5744.html).

I remember Dave Lageson in Earth Sciences.

I think mark and Robyn are the people that donated $101 million to MSU Nursing a couple years ago.

[coloradocat]

Would be great if we could get more of these students graduated. Under 38% graduate from a 4-year program in four years and less than 60% get it done in six. But hey, at least the university will get more of that sweet out-of-state cash!

[coloradocat]

Would be great if we could get more of these students graduated. Under 38% graduate from a 4-year program in four years and less than 60% get it done in six. But hey, at least the university will get more of that sweet out-of-state cash!

As bad as that is, Missoula is really pathetic (31%/48%).

[wbtfg]

Graduation rate is tough for the Montana schools, as they all essentially have open enrollment. Looking at MSU's data reporting it looks like our 4year graduation rate has gone from 26.9% up to 37.8%, while the 6-rate has only jumped from 56.1% to 57.4%.

[coloradocat]

Open enrollment has historically been the excuse for poor results but Montana's policy isn't unique and other states have better outcomes.

I've ranted about the Schooling Industrial Complex, of which universities are only one part, many times so I won't go any further down that rabbit hole. But I'll just say that high enrollment in a vacuum is not something to celebrate.

[grizzh8r]

Open enrollment has historically been the excuse for poor results but Montana's policy isn't unique and other states have better outcomes.

I've ranted about the Schooling Industrial Complex, of which universities are only one part, many times so I won't go any further down that rabbit hole. But I'll just say that high enrollment in a vacuum is not something to celebrate.

Yep. Far too many kids are shamed into attending college. Shame on our elitist educators...

[wbtfg]

Open enrollment has historically been the excuse for poor results but Montana's policy isn't unique and other states have better outcomes.

I've ranted about the Schooling Industrial Complex, of which universities are only one part, many times so I won't go any further down that rabbit hole. But I'll just say that high enrollment in a vacuum is not something to celebrate.

Yep. Far too many kids are shamed into attending college. Shame on our elitist educators...

Elitist educators?

[coloradocat]

Open enrollment has historically been the excuse for poor results but Montana's policy isn't unique and other states have better outcomes.

I've ranted about the Schooling Industrial Complex, of which universities are only one part, many times so I won't go any further down that rabbit hole. But I'll just say that high enrollment in a vacuum is not something to celebrate.

Yep. Far too many kids are shamed into attending college. Shame on our elitist educators...

Elitist educators?

I'm assuming sarcasm but it really is all part of the system. Most teachers from the late-70s to mid-00s were baby boomers who grew up in an age when the choices were: struggle with a factory/farm life or go to college and move up in society. That led to "everyone has to go to college". When you combine that attitude among society in general and the dumbing down of K-12 education, you get sub-40% graduation rates.

[MSU01]

Open enrollment has historically been the excuse for poor results but Montana's policy isn't unique and other states have better outcomes.

I've ranted about the Schooling Industrial Complex, of which universities are only one part, many times so I won't go any further down that rabbit hole. But I'll just say that high enrollment in a vacuum is not something to celebrate.

Yep. Far too many kids are shamed into attending college. Shame on our elitist educators...

Elitist educators?

I'm assuming sarcasm but it really is all part of the system. Most teachers from the late-70s to mid-00s were baby boomers who grew up in an age when the choices were: struggle with a factory/farm life or go to college and move up in society. That led to "everyone has to go to college". When you combine that attitude among society in general and the dumbing down of K-12 education, you get sub-40% graduation rates.

Montana is desperately in need of a shift in perception away from "Bobcats or Griz" as the only two college options in the state. A lot of these kids who go to Bozeman or Missoula and flunk out would be far better served to go to a two-year college and study in a trades or workforce program that will get them into a high-paying career in less time and without the four-year debt.

[grizzh8r]

Open enrollment has historically been the excuse for poor results but Montana's policy isn't unique and other states have better outcomes.

I've ranted about the Schooling Industrial Complex, of which universities are only one part, many times so I won't go any further down that rabbit hole. But I'll just say that high enrollment in a vacuum is not something to celebrate.

Yep. Far too many kids are shamed into attending college. Shame on our elitist educators...

Elitist educators?

I'm assuming sarcasm but it really is all part of the system. Most teachers from the late-70s to mid-00s were baby boomers who grew up in an age when the choices were: struggle with a factory/farm life or go to college and move up in society. That led to "everyone has to go to college". When you combine that attitude among society in general and the dumbing down of K-12 education, you get sub-40% graduation rates.

Montana is desperately in need of a shift in perception away from "Bobcats or Griz" as the only two college options in the state. A lot of these kids who go to Bozeman or Missoula and flunk out would be far better served to go to a two-year college and study in a trades or workforce program that will get them into a high-paying career in less time and without the four-year debt.

[Cataholic]

UM released their fall enrollment today.

https://www.umt.edu/news/2023/09/092523enrl.php

Based on the article, it appears that they had some nice growth. I looked for data though and it was not part of the news release. The link they provide for the data does not work. It caused me to look a little closer and they still have growth issues.

They claim an increase of 372 students for a growth rate of 3.7%. The article then touts the growth at Missoula College as part of the increase with an increase of 221 students. (It should be noted that 201 of this increase is dual enrollment high school students). That means the main campus actually only increased 151 students. Yikes! They also mention growth for their graduate degrees of roughly 69. Taking away the graduate students, their main campus only increased by 82 students.

[wbtfg]

UM released their fall enrollment today.

https://www.umt.edu/news/2023/09/092523enrl.php

Based on the article, it appears that they had some nice growth. I looked for data though and it was not part of the news release. The link they provide for the data does not work. It caused me to look a little closer and they still have growth issues.

They claim an increase of 372 students for a growth rate of 3.7%. The article then touts the growth at Missoula College as part of the increase with an increase of 221 students. (It should be noted that 201 of this increase is dual enrollment high school students). That means the main campus actually only increased 151 students. Yikes! They also mention growth for their graduate degrees of roughly 69. Taking away the graduate students, their main campus only increased by 82 students.

Thanks for posting, and I think you're right on. In addition, it looks like their freshman class increased by 22 students for a total of 1373.

UM vs MSU
Total Enrollment: 10,327 16,902
First year freshmen: 1,373 3,634 (1,400 from Montana)*

*MSU's freshman class has more Montana kids than UM's total incoming class.

[wbtfg]

Also of note:
UM's non-resident freshman: 574
MSU's non-resident freshman: 2,234

Tough to balance the books with so few non-residents.

[RickRund]

Also of note:
UM's non-resident freshman: 574
MSU's non-resident freshman: 2,234

Tough to balance the books with so few non-residents.

Guessing it should be easy pickings to get a dorm room.

[Cataholic]

Also of note:
UM's non-resident freshman: 574
MSU's non-resident freshman: 2,234

Tough to balance the books with so few non-residents.

Exactly. I have heard UM alum criticize MSU for having so many out of state students. Considering that the out of state student pay double the amount in tuition and have the highest profit margin, they are the most sought after students. Leave it up to a UM grad to not figure that out.

What is really amazing is how UM is selling these numbers. I hope the board of regents is smart enough to ask some serious questions. The financial condition of UM affects all of the states colleges and universities.

[nevadacat]

Graduation rate is tough for the Montana schools, as they all essentially have open enrollment. Looking at MSU's data reporting it looks like our 4year graduation rate has gone from 26.9% up to 37.8%, while the 6-rate has only jumped from 56.1% to 57.4%.

How much has MSU shifted to being a part-time school? With population growth in the area, have more people moved in, gotten a job, then started their post-secondary education part time? That might explain a bit of the 6-year rate not moving as much as the 4-year rate.