VERY BAD NEWS! Brandon Miller accused of murder

mslacat · Post by **mslacat** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:08 am

jagur1 wrote:Open the records. Just to avoid the cover up being sought by the good people at Montana State University. Plus, I want to know who was buying the dope.

Don't worry, there is nothing, the comical likes to do than expose wrong doing at MSU. MSU does not get the teflon treatment from the media like the Missoulain gives the Griz.

Billings_Griz · Post by **Billings_Griz** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:10 am

mslacat wrote:
jagur1 wrote:Open the records. Just to avoid the cover up being sought by the good people at Montana State University. Plus, I want to know who was buying the dope.
Don't worry, there is nothing, the comical likes to do than expose wrong doing at MSU. MSU does not get the teflon treatment from the media like the Missoulain gives the Griz.

Sucks, doesn't it.

Grizlaw · Post by **Grizlaw** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:27 am

urcrackinmeup wrote: That's the generic brand of beer that's named Beer, right? Very classy GL.

Yep.

I've been told that there actually is such a thing as "Beer," although I've never actually seen it. If I ever do see it anywhere, I'll probably buy a six pack just on general principle.

crazycat · Post by **crazycat** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:02 am

Billings_Griz wrote:
mslacat wrote:
jagur1 wrote:Open the records. Just to avoid the cover up being sought by the good people at Montana State University. Plus, I want to know who was buying the dope.
Don't worry, there is nothing, the comical likes to do than expose wrong doing at MSU. MSU does not get the teflon treatment from the media like the Missoulain gives the Griz.
Sucks, doesn't it.

I don't know about that. Seems like the Missoulian got after UM pretty hard when their budget was out of whack a couple years ago. The lady (name?) who covers UM things seems to do similar work to the ChronKnuckleHeads.

Billings_Griz · Post by **Billings_Griz** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:10 am

crazycat wrote:
Billings_Griz wrote:
mslacat wrote:
jagur1 wrote:Open the records. Just to avoid the cover up being sought by the good people at Montana State University. Plus, I want to know who was buying the dope.
Don't worry, there is nothing, the comical likes to do than expose wrong doing at MSU. MSU does not get the teflon treatment from the media like the Missoulain gives the Griz.
Sucks, doesn't it.
I don't know about that. Seems like the Missoulian got after UM pretty hard when their budget was out of whack a couple years ago. The lady (name?) who covers UM things seems to do similar work to the ChronKnuckleHeads.

Is that why Fritz Neighbor got the job?

crazycat · Post by **crazycat** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:07 am

Billings_Griz wrote:
crazycat wrote:
Billings_Griz wrote:
mslacat wrote:
jagur1 wrote:Open the records. Just to avoid the cover up being sought by the good people at Montana State University. Plus, I want to know who was buying the dope.
Don't worry, there is nothing, the comical likes to do than expose wrong doing at MSU. MSU does not get the teflon treatment from the media like the Missoulain gives the Griz.
Sucks, doesn't it.
I don't know about that. Seems like the Missoulian got after UM pretty hard when their budget was out of whack a couple years ago. The lady (name?) who covers UM things seems to do similar work to the ChronKnuckleHeads.
Is that why Fritz Neighbor got the job?

With all due respect to Fritz, I don't think the Missoulian would send him to cover the story about the budget. I believe it was Betsy Cohen. It was a sports-related story, but out of his area if expertise.

go_catz! · Post by **go_catz!** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:53 am

Read the first police report from last Saturday. Another example of the Chronicle doing what it does best...

http://bozemandailychronicle.com/articl ... lotter.txt

Somehow, I doubt this would have said 'Several Montana State University students from the Sociology Department...'

They really should put a little more effort into writing something interesting or that focuses on positive things instead of constantly bringing down the University. I'm sure there are hundreds of people who read the Chronicle and aren't involved in anything that has to do with MSU athletics. All they know is what they read in the paper. The image that the Chronicle gives these people is horrible.

I think it's unbelievable that a local newspaper would seemingly go the extra mile to make such a huge part of our community look so bad.

Hopefully most people realize what a joke our paper is (worst in the state IMHO) and look elsewhere for reliable info.

oldcatfan · Post by **oldcatfan** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:10 pm

[quote="Hello Kitty"][quote="bobcatgrad2005"]It's the Comical. I don't consider it a very sophisticated new source.[/quote]

I agree.

The Chronical wrote:

" [b]ditched[/b] it in Belgrade and [b]ditched[/b] a [b]bunch[/b] of Wright's belongings "

Does that sounds like a 7th grade report or what? I have a [b]bunch[/b] more things to add but I will restrain myself[/quote]

High-larious! Great post--

catmom · Post by **catmom** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:16 pm

I don't know how many of you noticed the article in "The Big Sky" section (section C). Ted Sullivan wrote an article about the court date for reviewing the statements to be open to the public. This ass said that they were MSU athletes!! I wanted so badly to leave him a voicemail telling him and everyone at that damn paper how completely inept they are as journalist!!! (hell they probably would have to look up what inept means).

I don't understand how these idiots get out of be in the morning. I am assuming they have instructions on their ceilings to tell them what to do.

I did see the police reports the other day. I am acutally asking around to find out what that was all about. Don't know yet for sure but I have an idea.

WHEN IS FOOTBALL GOING TO START!!!!!!!!!!!!

80s Cat · Post by **80s Cat** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 12:29 am

There is a lot of criticism of the Chronicle on here. I'm usually nobody to defend that rag, except this time I want to say that with a few minor exceptions, they have done a pretty good job with the information provided so far in the case. Yes, they are by and large idiots, but that's no reason to get your nose all out of joint because they report on a story that all of us wish never happened.

A few points:

1. "Dumpster" is a brand name, and thus should be capitalized. Maybe some of us would prefer they call it "an oversized garbage receptacle." Why this became an issue I'll never know.

2. Their police report about the MSU athletes was probably reported verbatim from the Bozeman Police reports, which any of us can access by stopping by the Law & Justice center. You people are shooting the messenger here, apparently out of some misguided belief that MSU athletes can do no wrong. Yes, the Chronicle should have changed the wording on that report instead of just puking up what the police department wrote, but for gosh sakes, some of you are acting like they killed the sacred cow.

I am amazed that so many of you are so critical of the Chronicle's coverage of these two (alleged) murderers. The Chronicle didn't commit these crimes any more than any of us did, so why all the hostility? If you don't like their coverage, go to the court house, pick up the case documents and read them yourselves. See if you can do a better job.

That said, I think I should add that I've been reading these message boards for a long time, and never felt compelled to join. However, some of the sh*t is getting shovelled pretty high on this particular thread. You accuse the Chronicle of making MSU look bad... how about our former golden boys sitting in jail, accused of KILLING ANOTHER HUMAN BEING??

CelticCat · Post by **CelticCat** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 7:44 am

80s Cat wrote:There is a lot of criticism of the Chronicle on here. I'm usually nobody to defend that rag, except this time I want to say that with a few minor exceptions, they have done a pretty good job with the information provided so far in the case. Yes, they are by and large idiots, but that's no reason to get your nose all out of joint because they report on a story that all of us wish never happened.

A few points:

1. "Dumpster" is a brand name, and thus should be capitalized. Maybe some of us would prefer they call it "an oversized garbage receptacle." Why this became an issue I'll never know.

2. Their police report about the MSU athletes was probably reported verbatim from the Bozeman Police reports, which any of us can access by stopping by the Law & Justice center. You people are shooting the messenger here, apparently out of some misguided belief that MSU athletes can do no wrong. Yes, the Chronicle should have changed the wording on that report instead of just puking up what the police department wrote, but for gosh sakes, some of you are acting like they killed the sacred cow.

I am amazed that so many of you are so critical of the Chronicle's coverage of these two (alleged) murderers. The Chronicle didn't commit these crimes any more than any of us did, so why all the hostility? If you don't like their coverage, go to the court house, pick up the case documents and read them yourselves. See if you can do a better job.

That said, I think I should add that I've been reading these message boards for a long time, and never felt compelled to join. However, some of the sh*t is getting shovelled pretty high on this particular thread. You accuse the Chronicle of making MSU look bad... how about our former golden boys sitting in jail, accused of KILLING ANOTHER HUMAN BEING??

I think a lot of the argument here is the fact that these two men are not only not involved with MSU athletics, but also they are not even current students.

When I see "Former Ohio State Star Accused...", I automatically assume the kid was a bad seed and didn't make the most of his time at OSU. I don't blame OSU, and in this case I don't blame MSU.

Some people are mad because they believe the Chronicle's only source of news in this town is to dig up dirt on MSU. Whether that is true or not doesn't matter. They have built themselves a reputation as such.

And we, the community, should not have to mosey on down to the court house and browse through documents because of shoddy journalism by the only local paper. Please.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 11:18 am

80s Cat wrote:There is a lot of criticism of the Chronicle on here. I'm usually nobody to defend that rag, except this time I want to say that with a few minor exceptions, they have done a pretty good job with the information provided so far in the case. Yes, they are by and large idiots, but that's no reason to get your nose all out of joint because they report on a story that all of us wish never happened.

A few points:

1. "Dumpster" is a brand name, and thus should be capitalized. Maybe some of us would prefer they call it "an oversized garbage receptacle." Why this became an issue I'll never know.

2. Their police report about the MSU athletes was probably reported verbatim from the Bozeman Police reports, which any of us can access by stopping by the Law & Justice center. You people are shooting the messenger here, apparently out of some misguided belief that MSU athletes can do no wrong. Yes, the Chronicle should have changed the wording on that report instead of just puking up what the police department wrote, but for gosh sakes, some of you are acting like they killed the sacred cow.

I am amazed that so many of you are so critical of the Chronicle's coverage of these two (alleged) murderers. The Chronicle didn't commit these crimes any more than any of us did, so why all the hostility? If you don't like their coverage, go to the court house, pick up the case documents and read them yourselves. See if you can do a better job.

That said, I think I should add that I've been reading these message boards for a long time, and never felt compelled to join. However, some of the sh*t is getting shovelled pretty high on this particular thread. You accuse the Chronicle of making MSU look bad... how about our former golden boys sitting in jail, accused of KILLING ANOTHER HUMAN BEING??

Good point about "Dumpster." Point taken.

As for the rest of your post, it doesn't address the specific criticisms that have been made of the Chronicle and merely uses straw man arguments that have nothing to do with what anyone has said (that former MSU athletes can do no wrong ... who has said that???). Nobody has denied what acts took place and who (allegedly) committed them. The comments have been on very specific errors that the Chronicle has made that mislead people as opposed to clarify the situation for the public.

In the spirit of the "Dumpster" information, please address specific points in specific posts and defend the Chronicle if appropriate as opposed to flaming everyone by suggesting that they said or feel things that nobody has actually even suggested.

In that way you, too, will have a hand in further clarifying things for everyone as opposed to just muddying the waters even further by throwing out nonsensical allegations about the mindset of people on this board.

briannell · Post by **briannell** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 1:05 pm

my 2 cents anyone who will deem MSU in a bad light due to the actions of two punks that NO LONGER (from my understanding) were affiliated with MSU or the athletic department are as idiotic as these guys. MSU did not commit murder, therefore, i don't see how the University should be looked at in a bad light. the responsiblity falls squarely on the shoulders of the accused NOT MSU.

GOKATS · Post by **GOKATS** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 1:36 pm

I don't have the e-version of the Chronicle, but there was a doozy of a letter to the ed in yesterdays paper in which the guy said the Board of Regents should fire Gamble and Fields because of the incident.

Give me a break.

bozbobcat · Post by **bozbobcat** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 2:39 pm

briannell wrote:my 2 cents anyone who will deem MSU in a bad light due to the actions of two punks that NO LONGER (from my understanding) were affiliated with MSU or the athletic department are as idiotic as these guys. MSU did not commit murder, therefore, i don't see how the University should be looked at in a bad light. the responsiblity falls squarely on the shoulders of the accused NOT MSU.

I think you're right about this, Rebecca. These were two individuals who committed this crime and not Montana State University or the Athletic department. I think that MSU and the athletic department have done a good job thus far handling this situation and taking a degree of responsibility for something that is really not their fault.

GOKATS wrote:I don't have the e-version of the Chronicle, but there was a doozy of a letter to the ed in yesterdays paper in which the guy said the Board of Regents should fire Gamble and Fields because of the incident.

Give me a break.

These are two of the better administrators MSU has had in some time. I agree with you, give me a break!

MSU01 · Post by **MSU01** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 7:09 pm

GOKATS wrote:I don't have the e-version of the Chronicle, but there was a doozy of a letter to the ed in yesterdays paper in which the guy said the Board of Regents should fire Gamble and Fields because of the incident.

Give me a break.

Wow, that is pathetic. I hope that guy would also support the new president's firing the first time a former student was arrested for a serious crime, which I'm sure would happen within a matter of months, if not weeks or days.

GOKATS · Post by **GOKATS** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 8:04 pm

GOKATS wrote:I don't have the e-version of the Chronicle, but there was a doozy of a letter to the ed in yesterdays paper in which the guy said the Board of Regents should fire Gamble and Fields because of the incident.

Give me a break.

Pissed me off enough. I'll hand enter it.

Header in large letters from the Chronicle staff:

MSU infected with win-at-any-cost mentality

Jeff Welsch [sports page column, July 2] has got it right when writing about Jason Wright's murder. allegedly by Lebrum and Miller, ex-Montana State University athletes with the possible implication of others.
MSU President Geoff Gamble wonders whether they were a "good fit" for the university and feels like you can't stop every student from doing wrong. And Athletic Director Peter Fields says "something fell through the cracks."
I'll say.
What fell through the cracks was doing the right thing. Like many other universities, MSU is infected with a win-at-any-cost mentality, resulting in the importation of scum like Lebrum and Miller to Bozeman. In my opinion, this university is too good for that.
I hope that the Board of Regents corrects this "look-the-other-way attitude" by top administration brass by firing Gamble and Fields, and getting people in there who know right from wrong.

Richard Belgrad
Bozeman

BAC, or anyone else with the e-version can confirm this.

Post by **rtb** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 8:46 pm

I am glad I wasn't the only one who thought that letter was way overboard. I read it yesterday and I was annoyed with that guy. Yes this is a bad incident and has a negative impact on MSU, but to say Fields and Gamble don't know right from wrong and that they should be fired is stupid. They are both excellent leaders!

GOKATS · Post by **GOKATS** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 9:02 pm

rtb wrote:I am glad I wasn't the only one who thought that letter was way overboard. I read it yesterday and I was annoyed with that guy. Yes this is a bad incident and has a negative impact on MSU, but to say Fields and Gamble don't know right from wrong and that they should be fired is stupid. They are both excellent leaders!

Thanks.

Cat Grad · Post by **Cat Grad** » Sat Jul 22, 2006 11:33 pm

I've tried to stay away from this tread as everything is merely speculation at this point in time; we don't have any facts (other than the yo-yo staff distorting what has happened and attempting to make MSU culpable for their prior-former students).

I would like the same courtesy extended by the media that they afforded Carroll College relative to their recent rape, drug and suicide by an active player and student at the time. Let the courts determine and inform us--not a bunch of idiots who (by their own admissions in prior columns) only went to athletic press conferences for the all-you-can-eat buffets. Freud has an accurate and proper description of all the scum reveling in anything that could possibly bring our Little School that Can (and does thank you very much) to our knees. Ain't gonna happen, and please continue to show support for the great leaders we have in place in Bozo.

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