No Teddy Roosevelts these guys

iaafan · Post by **iaafan** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:46 pm

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/2 ... son24.html

HelenaCat95 · Post by **HelenaCat95** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:48 pm

Neither the Demcrats nor Republicans have a monopoly on hypocrisy.

catamaran · Post by **catamaran** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:50 pm

Does this mean since some of us didn't play D-1 sports we aren't allowed to have an opinion on them?

HelenaCat95 · Post by **HelenaCat95** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 1:10 pm

catamaran wrote:Does this mean since some of us didn't play D-1 sports we aren't allowed to have an opinion on them?

Only if your last name is Welsch or Hinkleman.

grizbeer · Post by **grizbeer** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 1:32 pm

I don't know if this qualifies as hypocrisy, but it certainly made me laugh:

Do as I say, not as I do

GREG JAMES
GUEST COLUMNIST

while they sit around sipping lattes in their protected, mostly white, upper-class enclaves.

Greg James lives on Mercer Island.

HelenaCat95 · Post by **HelenaCat95** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 1:42 pm

grizbeer wrote:I don't know if this qualifies as hypocrisy, but it certainly made me laugh:
Do as I say, not as I do

GREG JAMES
GUEST COLUMNIST

while they sit around sipping lattes in their protected, mostly white, upper-class enclaves.

Greg James lives on Mercer Island.

That is funny.
I hadn't noticed that, but that is what I meant by no one having a monopoly on hypocrisy.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 3:01 pm

grizbeer wrote:I don't know if this qualifies as hypocrisy, but it certainly made me laugh:
Do as I say, not as I do

GREG JAMES
GUEST COLUMNIST

while they sit around sipping lattes in their protected, mostly white, upper-class enclaves.

Greg James lives on Mercer Island.

Well, it would qualify as hypocrisy if the writer of this article was doing the same things that the people he is criticizing are doing ... that is, sending people to die in war while themselves staying out of the action in their own lives (and sipping lattes in upper-class white enclaves).

But since this guy is clearly anti-war, he is not being a hypcrite.

His criticism wasn't about living in that kind of neighborhood, but rather living in that kind of neighborhood and living that lifestyle while making decisions about proacticely going to a kind of war that they themselves avoided fighting ... and all the while criticizing the Democratic leaders who did, in fact, risk their lives fighting in wars.

But yes, if the main theme of the article had been "Republicans are bad because they live in nice neighborhoods," then the writer would be a hypocrite.

HelenaCat95 · Post by **HelenaCat95** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 3:31 pm

BAC,
Good point on a more than subtle distinction. However, I do think that he comes very close to the "those in glass houses" cliche.

Anyway.......and now for a little hypocrisy from the left

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/st ... 77,00.html

Post by **SonomaCat** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 3:41 pm

HelenaCat95 wrote:BAC,
Good point on a more than subtle distinction. However, I do think that he comes very close to the "those in glass houses" cliche.

Anyway.......and now for a little hypocrisy from the left

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/st ... 77,00.html

I would consider her statements ironic, given her history ... but she notes that change herself, so she's not being hypocritical -- she states herself that she doesn't consider herself to be "non-violent" in that same speech.

HelenaCat95 · Post by **HelenaCat95** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 3:56 pm

I guess anyone can "defend" their hypocrisy if given the opportunity to respond. I would bet that Bush, Cheney, Rove, etc. would deny any hypocrisy, if asked the question - and they would make a good case.

So maybe given what I think is your correct assessment of the Nobel laureate, I should refine my initial statement to say,

Neither the Democrats nor Republicans have a monopoly on irony.

How's that.

Trying to speak objectively, I think that when I do it, it is ironic....when someone else does it, it is hypocratic.

I think the

proves me right.

raincat · Post by **raincat** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 4:13 pm

Take a look in Murtha's closet if you want to view hipocricy.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 4:24 pm

HelenaCat95 wrote:I guess anyone can "defend" their hypocrisy if given the opportunity to respond. I would bet that Bush, Cheney, Rove, etc. would deny any hypocrisy, if asked the question - and they would make a good case.

So maybe given what I think is your correct assessment of the Nobel laureate, I should refine my initial statement to say,

Neither the Democrats nor Republicans have a monopoly on irony.

How's that.

Trying to speak objectively, I think that when I do it, it is ironic....when someone else does it, it is hypocratic.

I think the proves me right.

Speaking to the big picture, I fully agree that both sides are hypocrites in many circumstances. I can't stand either party, so I have no problem agreeing with that.

And let's just say I agree with your logic ... and that I think you have proven yourself to be right.