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Re: MBB vs ISU

Post by luckyirishguy25 » Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:22 am

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Which ref is Curry?
The who's easy to hate due to his incessant whistling.



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Re: MBB vs ISU

Post by tetoncat » Tue Jan 23, 2024 11:41 am

grizzh8r wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 12:08 am
coachouert wrote:
Mon Jan 22, 2024 8:57 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Mon Jan 22, 2024 8:45 pm
MSU01 wrote:
Mon Jan 22, 2024 8:39 pm
Oh ****** off, Eric Curry.
Who was the poster that had “Eric Curry makes me sad” in his signature line?
I feel like it was @CatBlitz once upon a time…could be mistaken though?
*Ahem* - that would be me. It was @CatBlitz that Curry tossed from a Bobcat MBB game almost 20 years ago when we were both in student section. That was the genesis of my extreme dislike of Eric Curry, and it's only been reinforced in the years since.

Just finished watching the game (ESPN+ replay is a beautiful thing when you have young kids that expect dad time between supper and bedtime...).

Fun game until ISU realized they had to ugly it up to try to get the win. That last 10 minutes was slow as molasses. Aside from Mr Curry's phantom flagrant foul call in the first half on an inbounds play (I swear he invents a new way to screw the Cats every time he's in Bozeman), and completely blowing an out of bounds call in the second half, I really couldn't argue with many of the foul calls down the stretch. Except Geron's 4th. That was Academy Award level acting by the ISU guard... that said, if anything, there were probably more that could have been called.

The hack fest at the end sort of overshadowed a great defensive effort by the Cats to completely neutralize ISU's best offense players and force Kiree Huie to make free throws.

4-2 in confy with a frantically assembled roster? I'll take it. Logie can coach...!
Agree on that block call on Geron. Lecholats 4th or 5th was bad also. Biggest complaint I had was they just let no physical contact go until ISU pressed, then they could hand and hip check all they wanted. Both teams still couldn't touch someone on a drive.

Cats missed 2 front ends, Patterson goes 0-2, we quit being aggressive on offense, left Ford on bench to long, didn't sub offense for defense to protect players when seemed like we just fouled each possession anyways, didn't get good FT shooters on the floor or the ball. Why wouldn't Goaracke get inbound instead of throwing in when he is a 93% shooter. Lots of head scratches there, but Cats got the win


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Re: MBB vs ISU

Post by rfischer94 » Tue Jan 23, 2024 1:33 pm

Desert_Bobcat wrote:
Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:41 pm
Gritty win by this team. By no means is this a good win though. Cats up 16 with 5 to go and they let off the gas. Granted, with foul trouble like they had, you’re probably forced to limp it home which I have no issue with.

Breaking the press is still a massive issue. No movement off their initial cuts and passing the ball straight into the corner to get trapped. If ISU was a better team they probably win that game
Is Logie directing the team to run clock towards the end of the game? If so, is there a problem with the scheme or are the players not executing it well? Or something else?



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Re: MBB vs ISU

Post by rfischer94 » Tue Jan 23, 2024 1:37 pm

RobertCats wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:19 am
grizzh8r wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 12:08 am
coachouert wrote:
Mon Jan 22, 2024 8:57 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Mon Jan 22, 2024 8:45 pm
MSU01 wrote:
Mon Jan 22, 2024 8:39 pm
Oh ****** off, Eric Curry.
Who was the poster that had “Eric Curry makes me sad” in his signature line?
I feel like it was @CatBlitz once upon a time…could be mistaken though?
*Ahem* - that would be me. It was @CatBlitz that Curry tossed from a Bobcat MBB game almost 20 years ago when we were both in student section. That was the genesis of my extreme dislike of Eric Curry, and it's only been reinforced in the years since.

Just finished watching the game (ESPN+ replay is a beautiful thing when you have young kids that expect dad time between supper and bedtime...).

Fun game until ISU realized they had to ugly it up to try to get the win. That last 10 minutes was slow as molasses. Aside from Mr Curry's phantom flagrant foul call in the first half on an inbounds play (I swear he invents a new way to screw the Cats every time he's in Bozeman), and completely blowing an out of bounds call in the second half, I really couldn't argue with many of the foul calls down the stretch. Except Geron's 4th. That was Academy Award level acting by the ISU guard... that said, if anything, there were probably more that could have been called.

The hack fest at the end sort of overshadowed a great defensive effort by the Cats to completely neutralize ISU's best offense players and force Kiree Huie to make free throws.

4-2 in confy with a frantically assembled roster? I'll take it. Logie can coach...!
HA! I was at that game maybe a few feet away from you guys because I had a front row seat to that ejection. Even after 20 years of "maturation" (my wife would argue that's a very loose term with me) I KNOW I would get the boot from Curry if I attended a Bobcat game live that he officiates. There is no way I could keep my mouth shut, that guy is just plain AWFUL!
What does a fan have to do to get ejected from a game? I don't think I've ever seen that.



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Re: MBB vs ISU

Post by BelgradeBobcat » Tue Jan 23, 2024 1:42 pm

rfischer94 wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 1:37 pm
RobertCats wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:19 am
grizzh8r wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 12:08 am
coachouert wrote:
Mon Jan 22, 2024 8:57 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Mon Jan 22, 2024 8:45 pm
MSU01 wrote:
Mon Jan 22, 2024 8:39 pm
Oh ****** off, Eric Curry.
Who was the poster that had “Eric Curry makes me sad” in his signature line?
I feel like it was @CatBlitz once upon a time…could be mistaken though?
*Ahem* - that would be me. It was @CatBlitz that Curry tossed from a Bobcat MBB game almost 20 years ago when we were both in student section. That was the genesis of my extreme dislike of Eric Curry, and it's only been reinforced in the years since.

Just finished watching the game (ESPN+ replay is a beautiful thing when you have young kids that expect dad time between supper and bedtime...).

Fun game until ISU realized they had to ugly it up to try to get the win. That last 10 minutes was slow as molasses. Aside from Mr Curry's phantom flagrant foul call in the first half on an inbounds play (I swear he invents a new way to screw the Cats every time he's in Bozeman), and completely blowing an out of bounds call in the second half, I really couldn't argue with many of the foul calls down the stretch. Except Geron's 4th. That was Academy Award level acting by the ISU guard... that said, if anything, there were probably more that could have been called.

The hack fest at the end sort of overshadowed a great defensive effort by the Cats to completely neutralize ISU's best offense players and force Kiree Huie to make free throws.

4-2 in confy with a frantically assembled roster? I'll take it. Logie can coach...!
HA! I was at that game maybe a few feet away from you guys because I had a front row seat to that ejection. Even after 20 years of "maturation" (my wife would argue that's a very loose term with me) I KNOW I would get the boot from Curry if I attended a Bobcat game live that he officiates. There is no way I could keep my mouth shut, that guy is just plain AWFUL!
What does a fan have to do to get ejected from a game? I don't think I've ever seen that.
It's one of the legendary stories of Bobcat Nation. Truly a classic!



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Re: MBB vs ISU

Post by grizzh8r » Tue Jan 23, 2024 1:45 pm

rfischer94 wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 1:37 pm
RobertCats wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:19 am
grizzh8r wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 12:08 am
coachouert wrote:
Mon Jan 22, 2024 8:57 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Mon Jan 22, 2024 8:45 pm
MSU01 wrote:
Mon Jan 22, 2024 8:39 pm
Oh ****** off, Eric Curry.
Who was the poster that had “Eric Curry makes me sad” in his signature line?
I feel like it was @CatBlitz once upon a time…could be mistaken though?
*Ahem* - that would be me. It was @CatBlitz that Curry tossed from a Bobcat MBB game almost 20 years ago when we were both in student section. That was the genesis of my extreme dislike of Eric Curry, and it's only been reinforced in the years since.

Just finished watching the game (ESPN+ replay is a beautiful thing when you have young kids that expect dad time between supper and bedtime...).

Fun game until ISU realized they had to ugly it up to try to get the win. That last 10 minutes was slow as molasses. Aside from Mr Curry's phantom flagrant foul call in the first half on an inbounds play (I swear he invents a new way to screw the Cats every time he's in Bozeman), and completely blowing an out of bounds call in the second half, I really couldn't argue with many of the foul calls down the stretch. Except Geron's 4th. That was Academy Award level acting by the ISU guard... that said, if anything, there were probably more that could have been called.

The hack fest at the end sort of overshadowed a great defensive effort by the Cats to completely neutralize ISU's best offense players and force Kiree Huie to make free throws.

4-2 in confy with a frantically assembled roster? I'll take it. Logie can coach...!
HA! I was at that game maybe a few feet away from you guys because I had a front row seat to that ejection. Even after 20 years of "maturation" (my wife would argue that's a very loose term with me) I KNOW I would get the boot from Curry if I attended a Bobcat game live that he officiates. There is no way I could keep my mouth shut, that guy is just plain AWFUL!
What does a fan have to do to get ejected from a game? I don't think I've ever seen that.
My recollection was that @CatBlitz didn't even use profanity, he just very vocally let Mr. Curry know that he made a bad call. Mr. Curry doesn't like being told he's ever made a bad call. Seriously don't understand how he he seems to ref in every NCAA MBB tournament. He's an arrogant jerk.


Eric Curry STILL makes me sad.
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Re: MBB vs ISU

Post by RobertCats » Tue Jan 23, 2024 3:19 pm

grizzh8r wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 1:45 pm
rfischer94 wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 1:37 pm
RobertCats wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:19 am
grizzh8r wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 12:08 am
coachouert wrote:
Mon Jan 22, 2024 8:57 pm
wbtfg wrote:
Mon Jan 22, 2024 8:45 pm
MSU01 wrote:
Mon Jan 22, 2024 8:39 pm
Oh ****** off, Eric Curry.
Who was the poster that had “Eric Curry makes me sad” in his signature line?
I feel like it was @CatBlitz once upon a time…could be mistaken though?
*Ahem* - that would be me. It was @CatBlitz that Curry tossed from a Bobcat MBB game almost 20 years ago when we were both in student section. That was the genesis of my extreme dislike of Eric Curry, and it's only been reinforced in the years since.

Just finished watching the game (ESPN+ replay is a beautiful thing when you have young kids that expect dad time between supper and bedtime...).

Fun game until ISU realized they had to ugly it up to try to get the win. That last 10 minutes was slow as molasses. Aside from Mr Curry's phantom flagrant foul call in the first half on an inbounds play (I swear he invents a new way to screw the Cats every time he's in Bozeman), and completely blowing an out of bounds call in the second half, I really couldn't argue with many of the foul calls down the stretch. Except Geron's 4th. That was Academy Award level acting by the ISU guard... that said, if anything, there were probably more that could have been called.

The hack fest at the end sort of overshadowed a great defensive effort by the Cats to completely neutralize ISU's best offense players and force Kiree Huie to make free throws.

4-2 in confy with a frantically assembled roster? I'll take it. Logie can coach...!
HA! I was at that game maybe a few feet away from you guys because I had a front row seat to that ejection. Even after 20 years of "maturation" (my wife would argue that's a very loose term with me) I KNOW I would get the boot from Curry if I attended a Bobcat game live that he officiates. There is no way I could keep my mouth shut, that guy is just plain AWFUL!
What does a fan have to do to get ejected from a game? I don't think I've ever seen that.
My recollection was that @CatBlitz didn't even use profanity, he just very vocally let Mr. Curry know that he made a bad call. Mr. Curry doesn't like being told he's ever made a bad call. Seriously don't understand how he he seems to ref in every NCAA MBB tournament. He's an arrogant jerk.
I could be wrong, but I thought that he made contact with him or that Curry claimed he made contact with him. I don't think it was malicious or even that hard of contact, looked incidental to me. Like the other team was inbounding in front of the student section and Catblitz was pointing and Curry backed into his finger or something like that. That was the reasoning is that you cannot "touch" an official and that warrants an ejection. Again, it was 20 years ago and I might not be remembering right........



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Re: MBB vs ISU

Post by BelgradeBobcat » Tue Jan 23, 2024 5:37 pm

https://www.alsd.com/content/eric-curry ... 20children

Doesn't look like he even lists the Big Sky as one of his gigs. He's Mr. Big Time! We should all be honored he graced us with his presence. Must have been because it was a Monday night game and he had nothing else going on?



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Re: MBB vs ISU

Post by Desert_Bobcat » Tue Jan 23, 2024 7:03 pm

rfischer94 wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 1:33 pm
Desert_Bobcat wrote:
Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:41 pm
Gritty win by this team. By no means is this a good win though. Cats up 16 with 5 to go and they let off the gas. Granted, with foul trouble like they had, you’re probably forced to limp it home which I have no issue with.

Breaking the press is still a massive issue. No movement off their initial cuts and passing the ball straight into the corner to get trapped. If ISU was a better team they probably win that game
Is Logie directing the team to run clock towards the end of the game? If so, is there a problem with the scheme or are the players not executing it well? Or something else?
In this case I’d say that yes, Logie is telling the team to slow it down. In this situation time is your friend and with as many guys as we had in foul trouble you’re trying to limit possessions with the idea of keeping as many players in the game as possible. More possessions = more opportunities for our boi Curry to blow his little whistle.

Now, I am (self-admittedly) NOT a division 1 basketball coach. And I definitely do NOT have one of the best coaching records at the D2 level. I did however play high school ball and was a basketball manager for a mid-major school who made it to the NCAA tournament the year after I graduated. So I feel like I can speak to X’s and O’s a little bit. Now that I got that out of the way; my biggest issue with the “kill clock” offense is that it completely kills your ball movement and flow. You saw that last night. The dogs were called off and the ball got stagnant, players got lazy and it showed on defense too.

There are ways to kill the clock, move the ball effectively, and get quality shots at the end of the clock. You either have to have the players that self regulate themselves and continue to move or you have them go to a motion style offense.



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Re: MBB vs ISU

Post by BelgradeBobcat » Tue Jan 23, 2024 7:45 pm

Desert_Bobcat wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 7:03 pm
rfischer94 wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 1:33 pm
Desert_Bobcat wrote:
Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:41 pm
Gritty win by this team. By no means is this a good win though. Cats up 16 with 5 to go and they let off the gas. Granted, with foul trouble like they had, you’re probably forced to limp it home which I have no issue with.

Breaking the press is still a massive issue. No movement off their initial cuts and passing the ball straight into the corner to get trapped. If ISU was a better team they probably win that game
Is Logie directing the team to run clock towards the end of the game? If so, is there a problem with the scheme or are the players not executing it well? Or something else?
In this case I’d say that yes, Logie is telling the team to slow it down. In this situation time is your friend and with as many guys as we had in foul trouble you’re trying to limit possessions with the idea of keeping as many players in the game as possible. More possessions = more opportunities for our boi Curry to blow his little whistle.

Now, I am (self-admittedly) NOT a division 1 basketball coach. And I definitely do NOT have one of the best coaching records at the D2 level. I did however play high school ball and was a basketball manager for a mid-major school who made it to the NCAA tournament the year after I graduated. So I feel like I can speak to X’s and O’s a little bit. Now that I got that out of the way; my biggest issue with the “kill clock” offense is that it completely kills your ball movement and flow. You saw that last night. The dogs were called off and the ball got stagnant, players got lazy and it showed on defense too.

There are ways to kill the clock, move the ball effectively, and get quality shots at the end of the clock. You either have to have the players that self regulate themselves and continue to move or you have them go to a motion style offense.
One of the problems was ISU went zone which further stagnated things. We would have won easily going away if we'd made some free throws. Brandon Walker is normally a pretty decent free throw shooter, but he just couldn't buy one last night. Patterson missed two, and even Goracke missed-and he hardly ever misses. I think it was tired legs and foggy brains. Walker isn't in the best of shape and Patterson and Goracke had to switch off from chasing Moody all over the arena to trying to guard power forwards for two games-and we all know how that went. They were gassed.



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Re: MBB vs ISU

Post by Desert_Bobcat » Tue Jan 23, 2024 8:45 pm

BelgradeBobcat wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 7:45 pm
Desert_Bobcat wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 7:03 pm
rfischer94 wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 1:33 pm
Desert_Bobcat wrote:
Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:41 pm
Gritty win by this team. By no means is this a good win though. Cats up 16 with 5 to go and they let off the gas. Granted, with foul trouble like they had, you’re probably forced to limp it home which I have no issue with.

Breaking the press is still a massive issue. No movement off their initial cuts and passing the ball straight into the corner to get trapped. If ISU was a better team they probably win that game
Is Logie directing the team to run clock towards the end of the game? If so, is there a problem with the scheme or are the players not executing it well? Or something else?
In this case I’d say that yes, Logie is telling the team to slow it down. In this situation time is your friend and with as many guys as we had in foul trouble you’re trying to limit possessions with the idea of keeping as many players in the game as possible. More possessions = more opportunities for our boi Curry to blow his little whistle.

Now, I am (self-admittedly) NOT a division 1 basketball coach. And I definitely do NOT have one of the best coaching records at the D2 level. I did however play high school ball and was a basketball manager for a mid-major school who made it to the NCAA tournament the year after I graduated. So I feel like I can speak to X’s and O’s a little bit. Now that I got that out of the way; my biggest issue with the “kill clock” offense is that it completely kills your ball movement and flow. You saw that last night. The dogs were called off and the ball got stagnant, players got lazy and it showed on defense too.

There are ways to kill the clock, move the ball effectively, and get quality shots at the end of the clock. You either have to have the players that self regulate themselves and continue to move or you have them go to a motion style offense.
One of the problems was ISU went zone which further stagnated things. We would have won easily going away if we'd made some free throws. Brandon Walker is normally a pretty decent free throw shooter, but he just couldn't buy one last night. Patterson missed two, and even Goracke missed-and he hardly ever misses. I think it was tired legs and foggy brains. Walker isn't in the best of shape and Patterson and Goracke had to switch off from chasing Moody all over the arena to trying to guard power forwards for two games-and we all know how that went. They were gassed.
Free throws were something I mentioned yesterday as well. They left at least a dozen points on the floor because of missed free throws. You don’t expect them to make all of them but 63% from the stripe is not ideal.



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Re: MBB vs ISU

Post by MSU01 » Tue Jan 23, 2024 9:00 pm

Both teams missed 10 free throws, MSU went 17-27 and ISU went 19-29.



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Re: MBB vs ISU

Post by LTown Cat » Wed Jan 24, 2024 10:07 am

MSU01 wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 9:00 pm
Both teams missed 10 free throws, MSU went 17-27 and ISU went 19-29.
Those don't tell the whole story if several of MSU's misses were front ends of 1-1's and ISU's weren't.



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Re: MBB vs ISU

Post by BelgradeBobcat » Wed Jan 24, 2024 10:40 am

LTown Cat wrote:
Wed Jan 24, 2024 10:07 am
MSU01 wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 9:00 pm
Both teams missed 10 free throws, MSU went 17-27 and ISU went 19-29.
Those don't tell the whole story if several of MSU's misses were front ends of 1-1's and ISU's weren't.
It was both teams. But they got in the bonus much earlier in the half so their missed front ends helped us extend the lead which was almost 20 points at one time. We got in the bonus much later so our missed front ends were in crunch time so felt more impactful.



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Re: MBB vs ISU

Post by MSU01 » Wed Jan 24, 2024 10:50 am

LTown Cat wrote:
Wed Jan 24, 2024 10:07 am
MSU01 wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 9:00 pm
Both teams missed 10 free throws, MSU went 17-27 and ISU went 19-29.
Those don't tell the whole story if several of MSU's misses were front ends of 1-1's and ISU's weren't.
Looking at the play by play it looks like each team only missed once on the front end of a 1 and 1. As Belgrade said, many of ISU's misses came in the second half and allowed MSU to build a big enough lead that ISU never got closer than the final margin of 7.



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Re: MBB vs ISU

Post by tetoncat » Wed Jan 24, 2024 11:00 am

MSU01 wrote:
Wed Jan 24, 2024 10:50 am
LTown Cat wrote:
Wed Jan 24, 2024 10:07 am
MSU01 wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 9:00 pm
Both teams missed 10 free throws, MSU went 17-27 and ISU went 19-29.
Those don't tell the whole story if several of MSU's misses were front ends of 1-1's and ISU's weren't.
Looking at the play by play it looks like each team only missed once on the front end of a 1 and 1. As Belgrade said, many of ISU's misses came in the second half and allowed MSU to build a big enough lead that ISU never got closer than the final margin of 7.
Cats missed at least 2 front ends in second half, one by Goaracke who is 93% shooter. Patterson missed 2 FT in a row when in double bonus. Walker I think they said is over 70% normally and at one point was 3-10 yet we kept throwing inbounds to him


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Re: MBB vs ISU

Post by Lvd » Wed Jan 24, 2024 1:37 pm

I wonder if coach Logie has a profile on here? If he doesn't, someone should get him one. There are sure quite a few people on here that he could learn so much from..... a win is a win, personally I find it shocking that we have the big sky record we do right now, with the decimated team he was left with, and the odds and ends left in the transfer portal.



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Re: MBB vs ISU

Post by WalkOn79 » Wed Jan 24, 2024 1:50 pm

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Just when i was going to say the refs aren't that bad.... WTF. Technical foul on a throw in for throwing it off a player. 1st in Basketball right here in Bozeman.
That was crazy bad. Eric just needs to be the show all the time!! :twisted:


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Re: MBB vs ISU

Post by homeytennis » Wed Jan 24, 2024 2:17 pm

I believe this was both teams three games in five days stretch so fatigue was a factor for the missed free throws.



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Re: MBB vs ISU

Post by kennethnoisewater » Wed Jan 24, 2024 3:46 pm

BelgradeBobcat wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 5:37 pm
https://www.alsd.com/content/eric-curry ... 20children

Doesn't look like he even lists the Big Sky as one of his gigs. He's Mr. Big Time! We should all be honored he graced us with his presence. Must have been because it was a Monday night game and he had nothing else going on?
I have no doubt he wrote that profile himself. Not a lot of reading between the lines to see how highly he thinks of himself.


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