Discussing the Issues Removed

[Rich K]

Back when Bobcatnation had a forum for discussing the issues, stuff like this was setting that forum on fire. Because the issue was allowed to burn and grow instead of being denigrated and mocked in places like Bobcatnation (this isn't the only site that chickened out of the fight) this is today's update.

[RickRund]

Back when Bobcatnation had a forum for discussing the issues, stuff like this was setting that forum on fire. Because the issue was allowed to burn and grow instead of being denigrated and mocked in places like Bobcatnation (this isn't the only site that chickened out of the fight) this is today's update.

[wbtfg]

Back when Bobcatnation had a forum for discussing the issues, stuff like this was setting that forum on fire. Because the issue was allowed to burn and grow instead of being denigrated and mocked in places like Bobcatnation (this isn't the only site that chickened out of the fight) this is today's update.

This story is getting a lot of action on social media. Maybe deservedly so....what are the facts?

From what I can gather, Imane Khelif from Algeria won the bout after Angela Carini of Italy tapped out 46 seconds into the first round.

Khelif has been competing in women's boxing for about 6 years. Has had 14 matches with a 9-5 record.

Khelif competed in the Tokyo Olympics without any controversy, losing to a fighter from ireland in the quarterfinals.

In 2023, Khelif was disqualified from the 2023 world championship of boxing for having elevated levels of testosterone. (Is that because s/he was born a male? Was s/he taking testosterone PED's? Does Khelif naturally produce more testosterone?)

Khelif won a silver medal at the 2022 world championships without any controversy.

The IBA (who disqualified Khelif) is notoriously corrupt.

IBA President UMAR Kremlin said DNA test result of Khelif "proved they had XY chromosomes". Khelif tried to appeal the findings, but later withdrew it.

Is there further evidence/facts out there?

[wbtfg]

Also seems odd that a conservative muslim nation like algeria would have a trans athlete. That doesn't really add up.

A quick google search tells me that a child can be born with XY chromosomes but also female genitalia. Could the at be a case here?

“Swyer syndrome
This intersex condition causes people to have XY chromosomes and female reproductive structures. People with Swyer syndrome have female external genitalia and some internal reproductive structures, like a uterus and fallopian tubes, but their gonads (ovaries or testes) don't develop. This is because variants of the SRY gene prevent the production of the sex-determining region Y protein, which is needed for testes to develop. People with Swyer syndrome usually won't go through puberty unless they take hormone replacement therapy.
Girls born with XY chromosomes
Some girls are born with XY chromosomes, but mutations in genes that control sexual development prevent male characteristics from being expressed. These girls can live as women and some can even give birth. “

[catatac]

And how about the convicted child rapist volleyball player that is allowed to compete? Seems strange to me but what do I know. When my son told me about that I did a little research and it sounds like it was consensual, he was 19 and she was 12. For whatever that's worth.

[wbtfg]

Just stumbled across this tweet/ticktock that summarizes a lot of what I had posted above.

@Rich K and @RickRund, I’m interested to hear your thoughts on the video.

[Rich K]

Just stumbled across this tweet/ticktock that summarizes a lot of what I had posted above.

@Rich K and @RickRund, I’m interested to hear your thoughts on the video.

You’re welcome to be confused if you insist on it.

[wbtfg]

Just stumbled across this tweet/ticktock that summarizes a lot of what I had posted above.

@Rich K and @RickRund, I’m interested to hear your thoughts on the video.

You’re welcome to be confused if you insist on it.

I don’t know what that means. Can you clarify?

[Cataholic]

Back when Bobcatnation had a forum for discussing the issues, stuff like this was setting that forum on fire. Because the issue was allowed to burn and grow instead of being denigrated and mocked in places like Bobcatnation (this isn't the only site that chickened out of the fight) this is today's update.

This story is getting a lot of action on far right social media. Maybe deservedly so....what are the facts?

From what I can gather, Imane Khelif from Algeria won the bout after Angela Carini of Italy tapped out 46 seconds into the first round.

Khelif has been competing in women's boxing for about 6 years. Has had 14 matches with a 9-5 record.

Khelif competed in the Tokyo Olympics without any controversy, losing to a fighter from ireland in the quarterfinals.

In 2023, Khelif was disqualified from the 2023 world championship of boxing for having elevated levels of testosterone. (Is that because s/he was born a male? Was s/he taking testosterone PED's? Does Khelif naturally produce more testosterone?)

Khelif won a silver medal at the 2022 world championships without any controversy.

The IBA (who disqualified Khelif) is notoriously corrupt.

IBA President UMAR Kremlin said DNA test result of Khelif "proved they had XY chromosomes". Khelif tried to appeal the findings, but later withdrew it.

Is there further evidence/facts out there?

Is this what you mean by far right media?

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/08/01/spor ... s-olympics

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Sports/wireS ... -112476945

https://www.cbssports.com/olympics/news ... er-debate/

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/01/worl ... helif.html

It is interesting how every controversial subject to you is blamed on the far right media. (All of these examples above are left leaning media).

[wbtfg]

Back when Bobcatnation had a forum for discussing the issues, stuff like this was setting that forum on fire. Because the issue was allowed to burn and grow instead of being denigrated and mocked in places like Bobcatnation (this isn't the only site that chickened out of the fight) this is today's update.

This story is getting a lot of action on far right social media. Maybe deservedly so....what are the facts?

From what I can gather, Imane Khelif from Algeria won the bout after Angela Carini of Italy tapped out 46 seconds into the first round.

Khelif has been competing in women's boxing for about 6 years. Has had 14 matches with a 9-5 record.

Khelif competed in the Tokyo Olympics without any controversy, losing to a fighter from ireland in the quarterfinals.

In 2023, Khelif was disqualified from the 2023 world championship of boxing for having elevated levels of testosterone. (Is that because s/he was born a male? Was s/he taking testosterone PED's? Does Khelif naturally produce more testosterone?)

Khelif won a silver medal at the 2022 world championships without any controversy.

The IBA (who disqualified Khelif) is notoriously corrupt.

IBA President UMAR Kremlin said DNA test result of Khelif "proved they had XY chromosomes". Khelif tried to appeal the findings, but later withdrew it.

Is there further evidence/facts out there?

Is this what you mean by far right media?

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/08/01/spor ... s-olympics

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Sports/wireS ... -112476945

https://www.cbssports.com/olympics/news ... er-debate/

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/01/worl ... helif.html

It is interesting how every controversial subject to you is blamed on the far right media. (All of these examples above are left leaning media).

Not sure why you want to make this about me. I first saw the story on twitter from Clay Travis, MTG and Lauren Boebert (who is doing a gofundme for the itilian boxer for some reason).

Any commentary on the subject at hand or do you want to just keep talking about me? Personally id rather focus on the issue, but im cool either way.

[Cataholic]

Back when Bobcatnation had a forum for discussing the issues, stuff like this was setting that forum on fire. Because the issue was allowed to burn and grow instead of being denigrated and mocked in places like Bobcatnation (this isn't the only site that chickened out of the fight) this is today's update.

This story is getting a lot of action on far right social media. Maybe deservedly so....what are the facts?

From what I can gather, Imane Khelif from Algeria won the bout after Angela Carini of Italy tapped out 46 seconds into the first round.

Khelif has been competing in women's boxing for about 6 years. Has had 14 matches with a 9-5 record.

Khelif competed in the Tokyo Olympics without any controversy, losing to a fighter from ireland in the quarterfinals.

In 2023, Khelif was disqualified from the 2023 world championship of boxing for having elevated levels of testosterone. (Is that because s/he was born a male? Was s/he taking testosterone PED's? Does Khelif naturally produce more testosterone?)

Khelif won a silver medal at the 2022 world championships without any controversy.

The IBA (who disqualified Khelif) is notoriously corrupt.

IBA President UMAR Kremlin said DNA test result of Khelif "proved they had XY chromosomes". Khelif tried to appeal the findings, but later withdrew it.

Is there further evidence/facts out there?

Is this what you mean by far right media?

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/08/01/spor ... s-olympics

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Sports/wireS ... -112476945

https://www.cbssports.com/olympics/news ... er-debate/

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/01/worl ... helif.html

It is interesting how every controversial subject to you is blamed on the far right media. (All of these examples above are left leaning media).

Not sure why you want to make this about me. I first saw the story on twitter from Clay Travis, MTG and Lauren Boebert (who is doing a gofundme for the itilian boxer for some reason).

Any commentary on the subject at hand or do you want to just keep talking about me? Personally id rather focus on the issue, but im cool either way.

You came out of the gates with the far right media comment. Just wanted to point out that all sides have covered this topic. But it is interesting how you specifically pointed out the far right. Is that a common theme with you?

As for the specific topic, I don’t know that this person is transgender, but there are questions around her/him’s biological identity. That makes participation in any sport with gender a question. Not Khelif’s fault, or the sports admins fault, but it is a biological question.

If Khelif is not transgender but rather a biological mystery, Khelif should sue any media or politician that called her a transgender. She has definitely been harmed by such categorizations.

[wbtfg]

Back when Bobcatnation had a forum for discussing the issues, stuff like this was setting that forum on fire. Because the issue was allowed to burn and grow instead of being denigrated and mocked in places like Bobcatnation (this isn't the only site that chickened out of the fight) this is today's update.

This story is getting a lot of action on far right social media. Maybe deservedly so....what are the facts?

From what I can gather, Imane Khelif from Algeria won the bout after Angela Carini of Italy tapped out 46 seconds into the first round.

Khelif has been competing in women's boxing for about 6 years. Has had 14 matches with a 9-5 record.

Khelif competed in the Tokyo Olympics without any controversy, losing to a fighter from ireland in the quarterfinals.

In 2023, Khelif was disqualified from the 2023 world championship of boxing for having elevated levels of testosterone. (Is that because s/he was born a male? Was s/he taking testosterone PED's? Does Khelif naturally produce more testosterone?)

Khelif won a silver medal at the 2022 world championships without any controversy.

The IBA (who disqualified Khelif) is notoriously corrupt.

IBA President UMAR Kremlin said DNA test result of Khelif "proved they had XY chromosomes". Khelif tried to appeal the findings, but later withdrew it.

Is there further evidence/facts out there?

Is this what you mean by far right media?

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/08/01/spor ... s-olympics

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Sports/wireS ... -112476945

https://www.cbssports.com/olympics/news ... er-debate/

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/01/worl ... helif.html

It is interesting how every controversial subject to you is blamed on the far right media. (All of these examples above are left leaning media).

Not sure why you want to make this about me. I first saw the story on twitter from Clay Travis, MTG and Lauren Boebert (who is doing a gofundme for the itilian boxer for some reason).

Any commentary on the subject at hand or do you want to just keep talking about me? Personally id rather focus on the issue, but im cool either way.

You came out of the gates with the far right media comment. Just wanted to point out that all sides have covered this topic. But it is interesting how you specifically pointed out the far right. Is that a common theme with you?

As for the specific topic, I don’t know that this person is transgender, but there are questions around her/him’s biological identity. That makes participation in any sport with gender a question. Not Khelif’s fault, or the sports admins fault, but it is a biological question.

If Khelif is not transgender but rather a biological mystery, Khelif should sue any media or politician that called her a transgender. She has definitely been harmed by such categorizations.

Lots of people are big mad about “a man competing in a woman’s sport“ when that doesn’t seem to be the case in this instance. You seem to have a more measured approach, and I appreciate that.

I’d still be interested in hearing @Rich K response to further facts on this topic.

[coloradocat]

Back when Bobcatnation had a forum for discussing the issues, stuff like this was setting that forum on fire. Because the issue was allowed to burn and grow instead of being denigrated and mocked in places like Bobcatnation (this isn't the only site that chickened out of the fight) this is today's update.

This story is getting a lot of action on far right social media. Maybe deservedly so....what are the facts?

From what I can gather, Imane Khelif from Algeria won the bout after Angela Carini of Italy tapped out 46 seconds into the first round.

Khelif has been competing in women's boxing for about 6 years. Has had 14 matches with a 9-5 record.

Khelif competed in the Tokyo Olympics without any controversy, losing to a fighter from ireland in the quarterfinals.

In 2023, Khelif was disqualified from the 2023 world championship of boxing for having elevated levels of testosterone. (Is that because s/he was born a male? Was s/he taking testosterone PED's? Does Khelif naturally produce more testosterone?)

Khelif won a silver medal at the 2022 world championships without any controversy.

The IBA (who disqualified Khelif) is notoriously corrupt.

IBA President UMAR Kremlin said DNA test result of Khelif "proved they had XY chromosomes". Khelif tried to appeal the findings, but later withdrew it.

Is there further evidence/facts out there?

Is this what you mean by far right media?

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/08/01/spor ... s-olympics

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Sports/wireS ... -112476945

https://www.cbssports.com/olympics/news ... er-debate/

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/01/worl ... helif.html

It is interesting how every controversial subject to you is blamed on the far right media. (All of these examples above are left leaning media).

Not sure why you want to make this about me. I first saw the story on twitter from Clay Travis, MTG and Lauren Boebert (who is doing a gofundme for the itilian boxer for some reason).

Any commentary on the subject at hand or do you want to just keep talking about me? Personally id rather focus on the issue, but im cool either way.

You came out of the gates with the far right media comment. Just wanted to point out that all sides have covered this topic. But it is interesting how you specifically pointed out the far right. Is that a common theme with you?

As for the specific topic, I don’t know that this person is transgender, but there are questions around her/him’s biological identity. That makes participation in any sport with gender a question. Not Khelif’s fault, or the sports admins fault, but it is a biological question.

If Khelif is not transgender but rather a biological mystery, Khelif should sue any media or politician that called her a transgender. She has definitely been harmed by such categorizations.

Lots of people are big mad about “a man competing in a woman’s sport“ when that doesn’t seem to be the case in this instance. You seem to have a more measured approach, and I appreciate that.

I’d still be interested in hearing @Rich K response to further facts on this topic.

Lots of people are big mad that some people don't want boys/men competing in girls/womens sports even if that may not be the case in this instance. When they open their response to a story by dishonestly framing the conversation (far-right media) it's hard to take them seriously.

[wbtfg]

Back when Bobcatnation had a forum for discussing the issues, stuff like this was setting that forum on fire. Because the issue was allowed to burn and grow instead of being denigrated and mocked in places like Bobcatnation (this isn't the only site that chickened out of the fight) this is today's update.

This story is getting a lot of action on far right social media. Maybe deservedly so....what are the facts?

From what I can gather, Imane Khelif from Algeria won the bout after Angela Carini of Italy tapped out 46 seconds into the first round.

Khelif has been competing in women's boxing for about 6 years. Has had 14 matches with a 9-5 record.

Khelif competed in the Tokyo Olympics without any controversy, losing to a fighter from ireland in the quarterfinals.

In 2023, Khelif was disqualified from the 2023 world championship of boxing for having elevated levels of testosterone. (Is that because s/he was born a male? Was s/he taking testosterone PED's? Does Khelif naturally produce more testosterone?)

Khelif won a silver medal at the 2022 world championships without any controversy.

The IBA (who disqualified Khelif) is notoriously corrupt.

IBA President UMAR Kremlin said DNA test result of Khelif "proved they had XY chromosomes". Khelif tried to appeal the findings, but later withdrew it.

Is there further evidence/facts out there?

Is this what you mean by far right media?

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/08/01/spor ... s-olympics

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Sports/wireS ... -112476945

https://www.cbssports.com/olympics/news ... er-debate/

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/01/worl ... helif.html

It is interesting how every controversial subject to you is blamed on the far right media. (All of these examples above are left leaning media).

Not sure why you want to make this about me. I first saw the story on twitter from Clay Travis, MTG and Lauren Boebert (who is doing a gofundme for the itilian boxer for some reason).

Any commentary on the subject at hand or do you want to just keep talking about me? Personally id rather focus on the issue, but im cool either way.

You came out of the gates with the far right media comment. Just wanted to point out that all sides have covered this topic. But it is interesting how you specifically pointed out the far right. Is that a common theme with you?

As for the specific topic, I don’t know that this person is transgender, but there are questions around her/him’s biological identity. That makes participation in any sport with gender a question. Not Khelif’s fault, or the sports admins fault, but it is a biological question.

If Khelif is not transgender but rather a biological mystery, Khelif should sue any media or politician that called her a transgender. She has definitely been harmed by such categorizations.

Lots of people are big mad about “a man competing in a woman’s sport“ when that doesn’t seem to be the case in this instance. You seem to have a more measured approach, and I appreciate that.

I’d still be interested in hearing @Rich K response to further facts on this topic.

Lots of people are big mad that some people don't want boys/men competing in girls/womens sports even if that may not be the case in this instance. When they open their response to a story by dishonestly framing the conversation (far-right media) it's hard to take them seriously.

I’ll edit that out of my initial response to hopefully make it easier to focus on the topic at hand.

[coloradocat]

Back when Bobcatnation had a forum for discussing the issues, stuff like this was setting that forum on fire. Because the issue was allowed to burn and grow instead of being denigrated and mocked in places like Bobcatnation (this isn't the only site that chickened out of the fight) this is today's update.

This story is getting a lot of action on far right social media. Maybe deservedly so....what are the facts?

From what I can gather, Imane Khelif from Algeria won the bout after Angela Carini of Italy tapped out 46 seconds into the first round.

Khelif has been competing in women's boxing for about 6 years. Has had 14 matches with a 9-5 record.

Khelif competed in the Tokyo Olympics without any controversy, losing to a fighter from ireland in the quarterfinals.

In 2023, Khelif was disqualified from the 2023 world championship of boxing for having elevated levels of testosterone. (Is that because s/he was born a male? Was s/he taking testosterone PED's? Does Khelif naturally produce more testosterone?)

Khelif won a silver medal at the 2022 world championships without any controversy.

The IBA (who disqualified Khelif) is notoriously corrupt.

IBA President UMAR Kremlin said DNA test result of Khelif "proved they had XY chromosomes". Khelif tried to appeal the findings, but later withdrew it.

Is there further evidence/facts out there?

Is this what you mean by far right media?

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/08/01/spor ... s-olympics

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Sports/wireS ... -112476945

https://www.cbssports.com/olympics/news ... er-debate/

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/01/worl ... helif.html

It is interesting how every controversial subject to you is blamed on the far right media. (All of these examples above are left leaning media).

Not sure why you want to make this about me. I first saw the story on twitter from Clay Travis, MTG and Lauren Boebert (who is doing a gofundme for the itilian boxer for some reason).

Any commentary on the subject at hand or do you want to just keep talking about me? Personally id rather focus on the issue, but im cool either way.

You came out of the gates with the far right media comment. Just wanted to point out that all sides have covered this topic. But it is interesting how you specifically pointed out the far right. Is that a common theme with you?

As for the specific topic, I don’t know that this person is transgender, but there are questions around her/him’s biological identity. That makes participation in any sport with gender a question. Not Khelif’s fault, or the sports admins fault, but it is a biological question.

If Khelif is not transgender but rather a biological mystery, Khelif should sue any media or politician that called her a transgender. She has definitely been harmed by such categorizations.

Lots of people are big mad about “a man competing in a woman’s sport“ when that doesn’t seem to be the case in this instance. You seem to have a more measured approach, and I appreciate that.

I’d still be interested in hearing @Rich K response to further facts on this topic.

Lots of people are big mad that some people don't want boys/men competing in girls/womens sports even if that may not be the case in this instance. When they open their response to a story by dishonestly framing the conversation (far-right media) it's hard to take them seriously.

I’ll edit that out of my initial response to hopefully make it easier to focus on the topic at hand.

No need. It frames your position. Rich and Rick aren't hiding their starting point, you shouldn't either.

[wbtfg]

Fair enough @coloradocat. Any thoughts on the issue at hand?

[Cataholic]

Back when Bobcatnation had a forum for discussing the issues, stuff like this was setting that forum on fire. Because the issue was allowed to burn and grow instead of being denigrated and mocked in places like Bobcatnation (this isn't the only site that chickened out of the fight) this is today's update.

This story is getting a lot of action on far right social media. Maybe deservedly so....what are the facts?

From what I can gather, Imane Khelif from Algeria won the bout after Angela Carini of Italy tapped out 46 seconds into the first round.

Khelif has been competing in women's boxing for about 6 years. Has had 14 matches with a 9-5 record.

Khelif competed in the Tokyo Olympics without any controversy, losing to a fighter from ireland in the quarterfinals.

In 2023, Khelif was disqualified from the 2023 world championship of boxing for having elevated levels of testosterone. (Is that because s/he was born a male? Was s/he taking testosterone PED's? Does Khelif naturally produce more testosterone?)

Khelif won a silver medal at the 2022 world championships without any controversy.

The IBA (who disqualified Khelif) is notoriously corrupt.

IBA President UMAR Kremlin said DNA test result of Khelif "proved they had XY chromosomes". Khelif tried to appeal the findings, but later withdrew it.

Is there further evidence/facts out there?

Is this what you mean by far right media?

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/08/01/spor ... s-olympics

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Sports/wireS ... -112476945

https://www.cbssports.com/olympics/news ... er-debate/

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/01/worl ... helif.html

It is interesting how every controversial subject to you is blamed on the far right media. (All of these examples above are left leaning media).

Not sure why you want to make this about me. I first saw the story on twitter from Clay Travis, MTG and Lauren Boebert (who is doing a gofundme for the itilian boxer for some reason).

Any commentary on the subject at hand or do you want to just keep talking about me? Personally id rather focus on the issue, but im cool either way.

You came out of the gates with the far right media comment. Just wanted to point out that all sides have covered this topic. But it is interesting how you specifically pointed out the far right. Is that a common theme with you?

As for the specific topic, I don’t know that this person is transgender, but there are questions around her/him’s biological identity. That makes participation in any sport with gender a question. Not Khelif’s fault, or the sports admins fault, but it is a biological question.

If Khelif is not transgender but rather a biological mystery, Khelif should sue any media or politician that called her a transgender. She has definitely been harmed by such categorizations.

Lots of people are big mad about “a man competing in a woman’s sport“ when that doesn’t seem to be the case in this instance. You seem to have a more measured approach, and I appreciate that.

I’d still be interested in hearing @Rich K response to further facts on this topic.

Lots of people are big mad that some people don't want boys/men competing in girls/womens sports even if that may not be the case in this instance. When they open their response to a story by dishonestly framing the conversation (far-right media) it's hard to take them seriously.

I’ll edit that out of my initial response to hopefully make it easier to focus on the topic at hand.

Just curious, but what are your thoughts about biological males at birth getting to compete against women?

[TomCat88]

Back when Bobcatnation had a forum for discussing the issues, stuff like this was setting that forum on fire. Because the issue was allowed to burn and grow instead of being denigrated and mocked in places like Bobcatnation (this isn't the only site that chickened out of the fight) this is today's update.

This story is getting a lot of action on far right social media. Maybe deservedly so....what are the facts?

From what I can gather, Imane Khelif from Algeria won the bout after Angela Carini of Italy tapped out 46 seconds into the first round.

Khelif has been competing in women's boxing for about 6 years. Has had 14 matches with a 9-5 record.

Khelif competed in the Tokyo Olympics without any controversy, losing to a fighter from ireland in the quarterfinals.

In 2023, Khelif was disqualified from the 2023 world championship of boxing for having elevated levels of testosterone. (Is that because s/he was born a male? Was s/he taking testosterone PED's? Does Khelif naturally produce more testosterone?)

Khelif won a silver medal at the 2022 world championships without any controversy.

The IBA (who disqualified Khelif) is notoriously corrupt.

IBA President UMAR Kremlin said DNA test result of Khelif "proved they had XY chromosomes". Khelif tried to appeal the findings, but later withdrew it.

Is there further evidence/facts out there?

Is this what you mean by far right media?

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/08/01/spor ... s-olympics

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Sports/wireS ... -112476945

https://www.cbssports.com/olympics/news ... er-debate/

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/01/worl ... helif.html

It is interesting how every controversial subject to you is blamed on the far right media. (All of these examples above are left leaning media).

Not sure why you want to make this about me. I first saw the story on twitter from Clay Travis, MTG and Lauren Boebert (who is doing a gofundme for the itilian boxer for some reason).

Any commentary on the subject at hand or do you want to just keep talking about me? Personally id rather focus on the issue, but im cool either way.

You came out of the gates with the far right media comment. Just wanted to point out that all sides have covered this topic. But it is interesting how you specifically pointed out the far right. Is that a common theme with you?

As for the specific topic, I don’t know that this person is transgender, but there are questions around her/him’s biological identity. That makes participation in any sport with gender a question. Not Khelif’s fault, or the sports admins fault, but it is a biological question.

If Khelif is not transgender but rather a biological mystery, Khelif should sue any media or politician that called her a transgender. She has definitely been harmed by such categorizations.

Lots of people are big mad about “a man competing in a woman’s sport“ when that doesn’t seem to be the case in this instance. You seem to have a more measured approach, and I appreciate that.

I’d still be interested in hearing @Rich K response to further facts on this topic.

Lots of people are big mad that some people don't want boys/men competing in girls/womens sports even if that may not be the case in this instance. When they open their response to a story by dishonestly framing the conversation (far-right media) it's hard to take them seriously.

I’ll edit that out of my initial response to hopefully make it easier to focus on the topic at hand.

Just curious, but what are your thoughts about biological males at birth getting to compete against women?

Is it okay as long as the biological man loses?

[TomCat88]

What if the biological women want to compete against biological men?

Should they start a new classification just for biological men that are taking sufficient amounts of female hormones?

[wbtfg]

Back when Bobcatnation had a forum for discussing the issues, stuff like this was setting that forum on fire. Because the issue was allowed to burn and grow instead of being denigrated and mocked in places like Bobcatnation (this isn't the only site that chickened out of the fight) this is today's update.

This story is getting a lot of action on far right social media. Maybe deservedly so....what are the facts?

From what I can gather, Imane Khelif from Algeria won the bout after Angela Carini of Italy tapped out 46 seconds into the first round.

Khelif has been competing in women's boxing for about 6 years. Has had 14 matches with a 9-5 record.

Khelif competed in the Tokyo Olympics without any controversy, losing to a fighter from ireland in the quarterfinals.

In 2023, Khelif was disqualified from the 2023 world championship of boxing for having elevated levels of testosterone. (Is that because s/he was born a male? Was s/he taking testosterone PED's? Does Khelif naturally produce more testosterone?)

Khelif won a silver medal at the 2022 world championships without any controversy.

The IBA (who disqualified Khelif) is notoriously corrupt.

IBA President UMAR Kremlin said DNA test result of Khelif "proved they had XY chromosomes". Khelif tried to appeal the findings, but later withdrew it.

Is there further evidence/facts out there?

Is this what you mean by far right media?

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/08/01/spor ... s-olympics

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Sports/wireS ... -112476945

https://www.cbssports.com/olympics/news ... er-debate/

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/01/worl ... helif.html

It is interesting how every controversial subject to you is blamed on the far right media. (All of these examples above are left leaning media).

Not sure why you want to make this about me. I first saw the story on twitter from Clay Travis, MTG and Lauren Boebert (who is doing a gofundme for the itilian boxer for some reason).

Any commentary on the subject at hand or do you want to just keep talking about me? Personally id rather focus on the issue, but im cool either way.

You came out of the gates with the far right media comment. Just wanted to point out that all sides have covered this topic. But it is interesting how you specifically pointed out the far right. Is that a common theme with you?

As for the specific topic, I don’t know that this person is transgender, but there are questions around her/him’s biological identity. That makes participation in any sport with gender a question. Not Khelif’s fault, or the sports admins fault, but it is a biological question.

If Khelif is not transgender but rather a biological mystery, Khelif should sue any media or politician that called her a transgender. She has definitely been harmed by such categorizations.

Lots of people are big mad about “a man competing in a woman’s sport“ when that doesn’t seem to be the case in this instance. You seem to have a more measured approach, and I appreciate that.

I’d still be interested in hearing @Rich K response to further facts on this topic.

Lots of people are big mad that some people don't want boys/men competing in girls/womens sports even if that may not be the case in this instance. When they open their response to a story by dishonestly framing the conversation (far-right media) it's hard to take them seriously.

I’ll edit that out of my initial response to hopefully make it easier to focus on the topic at hand.

Just curious, but what are your thoughts about biological males at birth getting to compete against women?

That’s a good question. And there are a lot of “what if” scenarios, but generally I’m against it.

That said, I don’t think that’s the case in this specific topic @Rich K posted about.

In this case, I’m completely on board with the Algerian boxer competing.

You?