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Re: Fall Camp

Post by Monymony » Fri Aug 09, 2024 10:14 am

Colter_Nuanez wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2024 9:53 am
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2024 9:22 pm
Colter_Nuanez wrote:
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Colter, I’m curious. You said it was irresponsible for MSU to not bring in a transfer QB because they don’t have a backup. I have multiple questions.

1) Why don’t you think Jordan Reed is good?

2) Why is Fife automatically viewed as better than Reed?

3) What starter quality QB is going to transfer to MSU where they have an established starting QB, and the only chance they’d play is in case of injury or blow out?
We will hash this out on the next podcast....but short answers:

1 - there's a big difference between "good" and ready. I do not think Jordan Reed is ready. I thought he held on to the ball too long during the spring game and the word is that his command of a huddle, his ability to get in and out of things is limited. Part of that might be a new offensive coordinator. But one of the top factors to Montana State's success is either Tommy Mellott staying healthy or Reed/Chance Wilson making a big jump. For what it's worth, Wilson has been operating the No. 2 offense the last week.

2 - I also do not think Fife is ready> I think he makes quite a few risky decisions and turns the ball over much more than the head coach he plays for will allow. I'm of the opinion that Clifton McDowell was an average at best quarterback....but he could run the ball effectively and he never turned the ball over. That's one of the main reasons Montana made a run last year.

3 - Montana State added a player who started in the FBS when they added Sean Chambers. And it saved their bacon on multiple occasions.

Love the questions! I'm pasting them in a doc and Tootell and I, + Mike Rider and I will address them in future episodes in the next week or so. Please keep asking!
Thanks for the response!

1) I would counter that you can’t become ready until you’re put in a position to be ready. If they continually bring in transfer QB’s, they won’t develop the ones they recruit. I actually think Bobby is a perfect example of this. Ah Yat could be the first QB that goes from HS recruit to starter since…Bergquist?

2) If you say that Fife isn’t ready, and that Reed isn’t ready, it hardly seems fair to say that MSU/Vigen was irresponsible in their QB room. I actually think the situations are similar, both universities have inexperienced backups but one could argue that MSU has more in terms of experience due to longevity, and it’s not like Reed, Wilson, and Duchien are lacking in talent. To clarify, I don’t have a problem with saying Reed isn’t ready, more in how you framed it. MSU was irresponsible because they didn’t bring in a transfer? By logic, is Hauck not irresponsible because he largely refuses to get quality HS QB recruits or allow them to develop? Yet you don’t use that kind of language with Hauck. Just my observation.

3) Chambers came to play for his former OC/QB coach after he got benched at Wyoming. It was a different, and unique circumstance that isn’t easily replicated.
The No. 1 thing to understand when comparing the Cats & the Griz or comparing the Griz to anyone is that Bobby Hauck does not depend on the quarterback to win like the vast majority of other modern football organizations. In fact, it's almost as if he wants to prove to the world that he can win a national championship IN SPITE of his quarterback....

It wouldn't matter if Hauck had Tommy Mellott or DeNarius McGhee or whoever....he would bring in a transfer every single year to compete with that person. Bergquist was a starter as a redshirt freshman after Jason Washington fell apart and led Montana to the playoffs down the stretch of an otherwise pretty mediocre 2005 season. The following year, instead of letting Bergquist be an incumbent and potentially four-year starter, Hauck brought in Josh Swogger from Washington State. Bergquist crumbled and lost out and almost transferred. The following year, Bergquist beat out the JC transfer they brought in and was a two-year starter.

If you watch camp right now in Missoula, Hauck's staff are doing whatever he can to make it impossible for Ah Yat. The last time I was down there, he could not move the ball whatsoever. The Griz were blitzing relentlessly and the offensive staff was quite pissed. It was hilarious. This does not make Hauck irresponsible as much as antiquated and stubborn. You can argue that he's flawed in this way of thinking and I would fully agree. But again, Bobby has NO intention of winning with his quarterback. He has told me and the media this many times. He wants the QB to be a cog in his machine.

I would probably rephrase my comment about the MSU situation if given a chance to have another take. Live is live and unlike writing (which I much prefer), you sometimes slip. Irresponsible is probably too strong a word.

But to me, it's very clear that neither Reed or Wilson is ready to play in big games. Given the offense MSU runs and the makeup and history of Mellott, you have to have someone who is ready to play in a big game. And every person I know who has watched spring and fall ball from the MSU side of things agrees.

Are you going to get another Sean Chambers? No. Are you going to get an all-conference caliber QB to backup Tommy? Hell no. The vast majority of the league can't even get a good quarterback to be its starter! But I do think you could bring in a veteran who could have command of an offense and get a squad in and out of things. Like a Cam Humphrey for the Griz a few years back. Guys like Jake Bleskin and Quinn McQueary were both more ready than what MSU currently has.

Maybe those guys will rapidly accelerate if called upon. If either Wilson or Reed is called upon, they will have to if MSU is going to fulfill its lofty expectations this season.
Do we need a great qb to win games? No. We need a guy that can keep wind in the sail when/if Tommy goes down. Whoever can do that deserves the job. I think we finally have a great OL, deep RBs, good TEs, and good WRs. I don’t think a fantastic QB is necessary and all we really need is a guy that won’t turn it over and can move the ball.

I will also add that guaranteeing Tommy will get hurt is a little aggressive as Vigen and staff now know we don’t have a guy like Chambers. This leads me to believe we won’t see many designed runs, option stuff will always be there but I don’t think we will see as much up the middle stuff.

I would love to see someone in at wildcat role that Troy, Chambers, and Jonsen took over… any options?



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Re: Fall Camp

Post by TomCat88 » Fri Aug 09, 2024 10:18 am

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Re: Fall Camp

Post by coloradocat » Fri Aug 09, 2024 10:25 am

Monymony wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2024 10:14 am
Colter_Nuanez wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2024 9:53 am
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2024 9:22 pm
Colter_Nuanez wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2024 8:21 pm
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2024 8:14 pm
Colter_Nuanez wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2024 3:29 pm
Colter, I’m curious. You said it was irresponsible for MSU to not bring in a transfer QB because they don’t have a backup. I have multiple questions.

1) Why don’t you think Jordan Reed is good?

2) Why is Fife automatically viewed as better than Reed?

3) What starter quality QB is going to transfer to MSU where they have an established starting QB, and the only chance they’d play is in case of injury or blow out?
We will hash this out on the next podcast....but short answers:

1 - there's a big difference between "good" and ready. I do not think Jordan Reed is ready. I thought he held on to the ball too long during the spring game and the word is that his command of a huddle, his ability to get in and out of things is limited. Part of that might be a new offensive coordinator. But one of the top factors to Montana State's success is either Tommy Mellott staying healthy or Reed/Chance Wilson making a big jump. For what it's worth, Wilson has been operating the No. 2 offense the last week.

2 - I also do not think Fife is ready> I think he makes quite a few risky decisions and turns the ball over much more than the head coach he plays for will allow. I'm of the opinion that Clifton McDowell was an average at best quarterback....but he could run the ball effectively and he never turned the ball over. That's one of the main reasons Montana made a run last year.

3 - Montana State added a player who started in the FBS when they added Sean Chambers. And it saved their bacon on multiple occasions.

Love the questions! I'm pasting them in a doc and Tootell and I, + Mike Rider and I will address them in future episodes in the next week or so. Please keep asking!
Thanks for the response!

1) I would counter that you can’t become ready until you’re put in a position to be ready. If they continually bring in transfer QB’s, they won’t develop the ones they recruit. I actually think Bobby is a perfect example of this. Ah Yat could be the first QB that goes from HS recruit to starter since…Bergquist?

2) If you say that Fife isn’t ready, and that Reed isn’t ready, it hardly seems fair to say that MSU/Vigen was irresponsible in their QB room. I actually think the situations are similar, both universities have inexperienced backups but one could argue that MSU has more in terms of experience due to longevity, and it’s not like Reed, Wilson, and Duchien are lacking in talent. To clarify, I don’t have a problem with saying Reed isn’t ready, more in how you framed it. MSU was irresponsible because they didn’t bring in a transfer? By logic, is Hauck not irresponsible because he largely refuses to get quality HS QB recruits or allow them to develop? Yet you don’t use that kind of language with Hauck. Just my observation.

3) Chambers came to play for his former OC/QB coach after he got benched at Wyoming. It was a different, and unique circumstance that isn’t easily replicated.
The No. 1 thing to understand when comparing the Cats & the Griz or comparing the Griz to anyone is that Bobby Hauck does not depend on the quarterback to win like the vast majority of other modern football organizations. In fact, it's almost as if he wants to prove to the world that he can win a national championship IN SPITE of his quarterback....

It wouldn't matter if Hauck had Tommy Mellott or DeNarius McGhee or whoever....he would bring in a transfer every single year to compete with that person. Bergquist was a starter as a redshirt freshman after Jason Washington fell apart and led Montana to the playoffs down the stretch of an otherwise pretty mediocre 2005 season. The following year, instead of letting Bergquist be an incumbent and potentially four-year starter, Hauck brought in Josh Swogger from Washington State. Bergquist crumbled and lost out and almost transferred. The following year, Bergquist beat out the JC transfer they brought in and was a two-year starter.

If you watch camp right now in Missoula, Hauck's staff are doing whatever he can to make it impossible for Ah Yat. The last time I was down there, he could not move the ball whatsoever. The Griz were blitzing relentlessly and the offensive staff was quite pissed. It was hilarious. This does not make Hauck irresponsible as much as antiquated and stubborn. You can argue that he's flawed in this way of thinking and I would fully agree. But again, Bobby has NO intention of winning with his quarterback. He has told me and the media this many times. He wants the QB to be a cog in his machine.

I would probably rephrase my comment about the MSU situation if given a chance to have another take. Live is live and unlike writing (which I much prefer), you sometimes slip. Irresponsible is probably too strong a word.

But to me, it's very clear that neither Reed or Wilson is ready to play in big games. Given the offense MSU runs and the makeup and history of Mellott, you have to have someone who is ready to play in a big game. And every person I know who has watched spring and fall ball from the MSU side of things agrees.

Are you going to get another Sean Chambers? No. Are you going to get an all-conference caliber QB to backup Tommy? Hell no. The vast majority of the league can't even get a good quarterback to be its starter! But I do think you could bring in a veteran who could have command of an offense and get a squad in and out of things. Like a Cam Humphrey for the Griz a few years back. Guys like Jake Bleskin and Quinn McQueary were both more ready than what MSU currently has.

Maybe those guys will rapidly accelerate if called upon. If either Wilson or Reed is called upon, they will have to if MSU is going to fulfill its lofty expectations this season.
Do we need a great qb to win games? No. We need a guy that can keep wind in the sail when/if Tommy goes down. Whoever can do that deserves the job. I think we finally have a great OL, deep RBs, good TEs, and good WRs. I don’t think a fantastic QB is necessary and all we really need is a guy that won’t turn it over and can move the ball.

I will also add that guaranteeing Tommy will get hurt is a little aggressive as Vigen and staff now know we don’t have a guy like Chambers. This leads me to believe we won’t see many designed runs, option stuff will always be there but I don’t think we will see as much up the middle stuff.

I would love to see someone in at wildcat role that Troy, Chambers, and Jonsen took over… any options?
We don't need a great qb to win games but we need a really good one to win in the third weekend in December and the second weekend in January.

I'd love to see someone resurrect the Travis Jonsen play. It was unstoppable and our OL is even better now than it was then.


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Re: Fall Camp

Post by Monymony » Fri Aug 09, 2024 10:30 am

coloradocat wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2024 10:25 am
Monymony wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2024 10:14 am
Colter_Nuanez wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2024 9:53 am
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2024 9:22 pm
Colter_Nuanez wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2024 8:21 pm
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2024 8:14 pm
Colter_Nuanez wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2024 3:29 pm
Colter, I’m curious. You said it was irresponsible for MSU to not bring in a transfer QB because they don’t have a backup. I have multiple questions.

1) Why don’t you think Jordan Reed is good?

2) Why is Fife automatically viewed as better than Reed?

3) What starter quality QB is going to transfer to MSU where they have an established starting QB, and the only chance they’d play is in case of injury or blow out?
We will hash this out on the next podcast....but short answers:

1 - there's a big difference between "good" and ready. I do not think Jordan Reed is ready. I thought he held on to the ball too long during the spring game and the word is that his command of a huddle, his ability to get in and out of things is limited. Part of that might be a new offensive coordinator. But one of the top factors to Montana State's success is either Tommy Mellott staying healthy or Reed/Chance Wilson making a big jump. For what it's worth, Wilson has been operating the No. 2 offense the last week.

2 - I also do not think Fife is ready> I think he makes quite a few risky decisions and turns the ball over much more than the head coach he plays for will allow. I'm of the opinion that Clifton McDowell was an average at best quarterback....but he could run the ball effectively and he never turned the ball over. That's one of the main reasons Montana made a run last year.

3 - Montana State added a player who started in the FBS when they added Sean Chambers. And it saved their bacon on multiple occasions.

Love the questions! I'm pasting them in a doc and Tootell and I, + Mike Rider and I will address them in future episodes in the next week or so. Please keep asking!
Thanks for the response!

1) I would counter that you can’t become ready until you’re put in a position to be ready. If they continually bring in transfer QB’s, they won’t develop the ones they recruit. I actually think Bobby is a perfect example of this. Ah Yat could be the first QB that goes from HS recruit to starter since…Bergquist?

2) If you say that Fife isn’t ready, and that Reed isn’t ready, it hardly seems fair to say that MSU/Vigen was irresponsible in their QB room. I actually think the situations are similar, both universities have inexperienced backups but one could argue that MSU has more in terms of experience due to longevity, and it’s not like Reed, Wilson, and Duchien are lacking in talent. To clarify, I don’t have a problem with saying Reed isn’t ready, more in how you framed it. MSU was irresponsible because they didn’t bring in a transfer? By logic, is Hauck not irresponsible because he largely refuses to get quality HS QB recruits or allow them to develop? Yet you don’t use that kind of language with Hauck. Just my observation.

3) Chambers came to play for his former OC/QB coach after he got benched at Wyoming. It was a different, and unique circumstance that isn’t easily replicated.
The No. 1 thing to understand when comparing the Cats & the Griz or comparing the Griz to anyone is that Bobby Hauck does not depend on the quarterback to win like the vast majority of other modern football organizations. In fact, it's almost as if he wants to prove to the world that he can win a national championship IN SPITE of his quarterback....

It wouldn't matter if Hauck had Tommy Mellott or DeNarius McGhee or whoever....he would bring in a transfer every single year to compete with that person. Bergquist was a starter as a redshirt freshman after Jason Washington fell apart and led Montana to the playoffs down the stretch of an otherwise pretty mediocre 2005 season. The following year, instead of letting Bergquist be an incumbent and potentially four-year starter, Hauck brought in Josh Swogger from Washington State. Bergquist crumbled and lost out and almost transferred. The following year, Bergquist beat out the JC transfer they brought in and was a two-year starter.

If you watch camp right now in Missoula, Hauck's staff are doing whatever he can to make it impossible for Ah Yat. The last time I was down there, he could not move the ball whatsoever. The Griz were blitzing relentlessly and the offensive staff was quite pissed. It was hilarious. This does not make Hauck irresponsible as much as antiquated and stubborn. You can argue that he's flawed in this way of thinking and I would fully agree. But again, Bobby has NO intention of winning with his quarterback. He has told me and the media this many times. He wants the QB to be a cog in his machine.

I would probably rephrase my comment about the MSU situation if given a chance to have another take. Live is live and unlike writing (which I much prefer), you sometimes slip. Irresponsible is probably too strong a word.

But to me, it's very clear that neither Reed or Wilson is ready to play in big games. Given the offense MSU runs and the makeup and history of Mellott, you have to have someone who is ready to play in a big game. And every person I know who has watched spring and fall ball from the MSU side of things agrees.

Are you going to get another Sean Chambers? No. Are you going to get an all-conference caliber QB to backup Tommy? Hell no. The vast majority of the league can't even get a good quarterback to be its starter! But I do think you could bring in a veteran who could have command of an offense and get a squad in and out of things. Like a Cam Humphrey for the Griz a few years back. Guys like Jake Bleskin and Quinn McQueary were both more ready than what MSU currently has.

Maybe those guys will rapidly accelerate if called upon. If either Wilson or Reed is called upon, they will have to if MSU is going to fulfill its lofty expectations this season.
Do we need a great qb to win games? No. We need a guy that can keep wind in the sail when/if Tommy goes down. Whoever can do that deserves the job. I think we finally have a great OL, deep RBs, good TEs, and good WRs. I don’t think a fantastic QB is necessary and all we really need is a guy that won’t turn it over and can move the ball.

I will also add that guaranteeing Tommy will get hurt is a little aggressive as Vigen and staff now know we don’t have a guy like Chambers. This leads me to believe we won’t see many designed runs, option stuff will always be there but I don’t think we will see as much up the middle stuff.

I would love to see someone in at wildcat role that Troy, Chambers, and Jonsen took over… any options?
We don't need a great qb to win games but we need a really good one to win in the third weekend in December and the second weekend in January.

I'd love to see someone resurrect the Travis Jonsen play. It was unstoppable and our OL is even better now than it was then.
Totally agree. I’d be actually shocked if coaches don’t have a new wildcat guy but I’m not sure who would fit the role. I haven’t seen enough of Rohan but maybe him? Just need a big body that can mow guys over… heck even Davis



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Re: Fall Camp

Post by TomCat88 » Fri Aug 09, 2024 10:43 am

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Cole Sain back and practicing
Maybe not. Let me double check


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Re: Fall Camp

Post by TomCat88 » Fri Aug 09, 2024 10:43 am

Jhase McMillan is for real.


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Re: Fall Camp

Post by TomCat88 » Fri Aug 09, 2024 10:58 am

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Re: Fall Camp

Post by TomCat88 » Fri Aug 09, 2024 10:59 am

TomCat88 wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2024 10:43 am
TomCat88 wrote:
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Cole Sain back and practicing
Maybe not. Let me double check
Must’ve been imagining things


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Re: Fall Camp

Post by catatac » Fri Aug 09, 2024 11:01 am

TomCat88 wrote:
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Jhase McMillan is for real.
I remember somebody posting something about being concerned about our secondary. I think we are going to be very, very good back there - and deep. Do you think he has a change to not red shirt this year?


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Re: Fall Camp

Post by BelligerentBobcat » Fri Aug 09, 2024 11:03 am

Colter_Nuanez wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2024 9:53 am
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2024 9:22 pm
Colter_Nuanez wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2024 8:21 pm
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2024 8:14 pm
Colter_Nuanez wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2024 3:29 pm
Colter, I’m curious. You said it was irresponsible for MSU to not bring in a transfer QB because they don’t have a backup. I have multiple questions.

1) Why don’t you think Jordan Reed is good?

2) Why is Fife automatically viewed as better than Reed?

3) What starter quality QB is going to transfer to MSU where they have an established starting QB, and the only chance they’d play is in case of injury or blow out?
We will hash this out on the next podcast....but short answers:

1 - there's a big difference between "good" and ready. I do not think Jordan Reed is ready. I thought he held on to the ball too long during the spring game and the word is that his command of a huddle, his ability to get in and out of things is limited. Part of that might be a new offensive coordinator. But one of the top factors to Montana State's success is either Tommy Mellott staying healthy or Reed/Chance Wilson making a big jump. For what it's worth, Wilson has been operating the No. 2 offense the last week.

2 - I also do not think Fife is ready> I think he makes quite a few risky decisions and turns the ball over much more than the head coach he plays for will allow. I'm of the opinion that Clifton McDowell was an average at best quarterback....but he could run the ball effectively and he never turned the ball over. That's one of the main reasons Montana made a run last year.

3 - Montana State added a player who started in the FBS when they added Sean Chambers. And it saved their bacon on multiple occasions.

Love the questions! I'm pasting them in a doc and Tootell and I, + Mike Rider and I will address them in future episodes in the next week or so. Please keep asking!
Thanks for the response!

1) I would counter that you can’t become ready until you’re put in a position to be ready. If they continually bring in transfer QB’s, they won’t develop the ones they recruit. I actually think Bobby is a perfect example of this. Ah Yat could be the first QB that goes from HS recruit to starter since…Bergquist?

2) If you say that Fife isn’t ready, and that Reed isn’t ready, it hardly seems fair to say that MSU/Vigen was irresponsible in their QB room. I actually think the situations are similar, both universities have inexperienced backups but one could argue that MSU has more in terms of experience due to longevity, and it’s not like Reed, Wilson, and Duchien are lacking in talent. To clarify, I don’t have a problem with saying Reed isn’t ready, more in how you framed it. MSU was irresponsible because they didn’t bring in a transfer? By logic, is Hauck not irresponsible because he largely refuses to get quality HS QB recruits or allow them to develop? Yet you don’t use that kind of language with Hauck. Just my observation.

3) Chambers came to play for his former OC/QB coach after he got benched at Wyoming. It was a different, and unique circumstance that isn’t easily replicated.
The No. 1 thing to understand when comparing the Cats & the Griz or comparing the Griz to anyone is that Bobby Hauck does not depend on the quarterback to win like the vast majority of other modern football organizations. In fact, it's almost as if he wants to prove to the world that he can win a national championship IN SPITE of his quarterback....

It wouldn't matter if Hauck had Tommy Mellott or DeNarius McGhee or whoever....he would bring in a transfer every single year to compete with that person. Bergquist was a starter as a redshirt freshman after Jason Washington fell apart and led Montana to the playoffs down the stretch of an otherwise pretty mediocre 2005 season. The following year, instead of letting Bergquist be an incumbent and potentially four-year starter, Hauck brought in Josh Swogger from Washington State. Bergquist crumbled and lost out and almost transferred. The following year, Bergquist beat out the JC transfer they brought in and was a two-year starter.

If you watch camp right now in Missoula, Hauck's staff are doing whatever he can to make it impossible for Ah Yat. The last time I was down there, he could not move the ball whatsoever. The Griz were blitzing relentlessly and the offensive staff was quite pissed. It was hilarious. This does not make Hauck irresponsible as much as antiquated and stubborn. You can argue that he's flawed in this way of thinking and I would fully agree. But again, Bobby has NO intention of winning with his quarterback. He has told me and the media this many times. He wants the QB to be a cog in his machine.

I would probably rephrase my comment about the MSU situation if given a chance to have another take. Live is live and unlike writing (which I much prefer), you sometimes slip. Irresponsible is probably too strong a word.

But to me, it's very clear that neither Reed or Wilson is ready to play in big games. Given the offense MSU runs and the makeup and history of Mellott, you have to have someone who is ready to play in a big game. And every person I know who has watched spring and fall ball from the MSU side of things agrees.

Are you going to get another Sean Chambers? No. Are you going to get an all-conference caliber QB to backup Tommy? Hell no. The vast majority of the league can't even get a good quarterback to be its starter! But I do think you could bring in a veteran who could have command of an offense and get a squad in and out of things. Like a Cam Humphrey for the Griz a few years back. Guys like Jake Bleskin and Quinn McQueary were both more ready than what MSU currently has.

Maybe those guys will rapidly accelerate if called upon. If either Wilson or Reed is called upon, they will have to if MSU is going to fulfill its lofty expectations this season.
Again, thanks for the response Colter. I really enjoy being able to interact.

I really don’t disagree with anything you’re saying here. All seems pretty well reasoned. Hopefully the backups develop rapidly, I think some playing time in blowouts will definitely help. And I think everybody knows if Tommy gets hurt, the national championship aspirations are pretty much over. That’s how it is with almost every team with a top tier QB.



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Re: Fall Camp

Post by Cataholic » Fri Aug 09, 2024 11:05 am

We are in a pretty good position for the season if our biggest debate is how capable our backup QBs are. Many teams don’t have a definite number 1 going into the first game.

As for Reed and Wilson, our staff is pretty confident in their abilities. That is evident by NOT going to the portal. I am not sure why some of you cannot just trust our coaches. They watch these guys every day. Reed throws a great ball and Wilson can run like a deer. I would not be surprised to see a two QB system if Tommy is out. And given our stable of RB’s and solid offensive line, I am not getting worked up about our backup QB situation.



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Re: Fall Camp

Post by catatac » Fri Aug 09, 2024 11:11 am

This comment from Colter is a bit of a surprise to me - but I guess we'll see. I guess I'll come back to the Tommy example. When we're all watching that Cat Griz game in Missoula before the coaches decided to start Tommy..... were you, or was anyone else looking at Tommy thinking, he's ready, I know he's ready to start and win big games??

"But to me, it's very clear that neither Reed or Wilson is ready to play in big games. Given the offense MSU runs and the makeup and history of Mellott, you have to have someone who is ready to play in a big game. And every person I know who has watched spring and fall ball from the MSU side of things agrees."


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Post by Monymony » Fri Aug 09, 2024 12:34 pm

catatac wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2024 11:11 am
This comment from Colter is a bit of a surprise to me - but I guess we'll see. I guess I'll come back to the Tommy example. When we're all watching that Cat Griz game in Missoula before the coaches decided to start Tommy..... were you, or was anyone else looking at Tommy thinking, he's ready, I know he's ready to start and win big games??

"But to me, it's very clear that neither Reed or Wilson is ready to play in big games. Given the offense MSU runs and the makeup and history of Mellott, you have to have someone who is ready to play in a big game. And every person I know who has watched spring and fall ball from the MSU side of things agrees."
I would attribute the defense in 21 and McCutcheon to Tommy’s success in the playoffs. He was good but definitely helped to have multiple NFL guys on the team. You can call me crazy but I think a guy like Wilson or Reed could boost the offense and really get the ball into the skill players’ hands more often. Look at guys like Jared White or McCutcheon who don’t get the ball enough, if Tommy gets hurt they could see a lot more touches. As long as Wilson or Reed or whoever can manage the game and not turn it over I think we have enough good players where we would be fine, maybe not championship level, but fine.



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City boy's comments on branding are pretty good :D


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City boy's comments on branding are pretty good :D
That was a great interview.


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Re: Fall Camp

Post by BelligerentBobcat » Fri Aug 09, 2024 1:08 pm

Monymony wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2024 12:34 pm
catatac wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2024 11:11 am
This comment from Colter is a bit of a surprise to me - but I guess we'll see. I guess I'll come back to the Tommy example. When we're all watching that Cat Griz game in Missoula before the coaches decided to start Tommy..... were you, or was anyone else looking at Tommy thinking, he's ready, I know he's ready to start and win big games??

"But to me, it's very clear that neither Reed or Wilson is ready to play in big games. Given the offense MSU runs and the makeup and history of Mellott, you have to have someone who is ready to play in a big game. And every person I know who has watched spring and fall ball from the MSU side of things agrees."
I would attribute the defense in 21 and McCutcheon to Tommy’s success in the playoffs. He was good but definitely helped to have multiple NFL guys on the team. You can call me crazy but I think a guy like Wilson or Reed could boost the offense and really get the ball into the skill players’ hands more often. Look at guys like Jared White or McCutcheon who don’t get the ball enough, if Tommy gets hurt they could see a lot more touches. As long as Wilson or Reed or whoever can manage the game and not turn it over I think we have enough good players where we would be fine, maybe not championship level, but fine.
Pretty hard to blame Tommy for McCutcheon not getting the ball enough.



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Re: Fall Camp

Post by Monymony » Fri Aug 09, 2024 1:20 pm

BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2024 1:08 pm
Monymony wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2024 12:34 pm
catatac wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2024 11:11 am
This comment from Colter is a bit of a surprise to me - but I guess we'll see. I guess I'll come back to the Tommy example. When we're all watching that Cat Griz game in Missoula before the coaches decided to start Tommy..... were you, or was anyone else looking at Tommy thinking, he's ready, I know he's ready to start and win big games??

"But to me, it's very clear that neither Reed or Wilson is ready to play in big games. Given the offense MSU runs and the makeup and history of Mellott, you have to have someone who is ready to play in a big game. And every person I know who has watched spring and fall ball from the MSU side of things agrees."
I would attribute the defense in 21 and McCutcheon to Tommy’s success in the playoffs. He was good but definitely helped to have multiple NFL guys on the team. You can call me crazy but I think a guy like Wilson or Reed could boost the offense and really get the ball into the skill players’ hands more often. Look at guys like Jared White or McCutcheon who don’t get the ball enough, if Tommy gets hurt they could see a lot more touches. As long as Wilson or Reed or whoever can manage the game and not turn it over I think we have enough good players where we would be fine, maybe not championship level, but fine.
Pretty hard to blame Tommy for McCutcheon not getting the ball enough.
True, I meant Reed airing it out more often especially as Tommy will improvise and use his legs more



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Re: Fall Camp

Post by BLACKnBLUEnGOLD » Fri Aug 09, 2024 1:29 pm

BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2024 1:08 pm
Monymony wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2024 12:34 pm
catatac wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2024 11:11 am
This comment from Colter is a bit of a surprise to me - but I guess we'll see. I guess I'll come back to the Tommy example. When we're all watching that Cat Griz game in Missoula before the coaches decided to start Tommy..... were you, or was anyone else looking at Tommy thinking, he's ready, I know he's ready to start and win big games??

"But to me, it's very clear that neither Reed or Wilson is ready to play in big games. Given the offense MSU runs and the makeup and history of Mellott, you have to have someone who is ready to play in a big game. And every person I know who has watched spring and fall ball from the MSU side of things agrees."
I would attribute the defense in 21 and McCutcheon to Tommy’s success in the playoffs. He was good but definitely helped to have multiple NFL guys on the team. You can call me crazy but I think a guy like Wilson or Reed could boost the offense and really get the ball into the skill players’ hands more often. Look at guys like Jared White or McCutcheon who don’t get the ball enough, if Tommy gets hurt they could see a lot more touches. As long as Wilson or Reed or whoever can manage the game and not turn it over I think we have enough good players where we would be fine, maybe not championship level, but fine.
Pretty hard to blame Tommy for McCutcheon not getting the ball enough.
It's wild that at one time, we had a QB and three WRs on the team who have now all spent time on NFL rosters, but we were a running football team.


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Re: Fall Camp

Post by coloradocat » Fri Aug 09, 2024 2:02 pm

BLACKnBLUEnGOLD wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2024 1:29 pm
BelligerentBobcat wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2024 1:08 pm
Monymony wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2024 12:34 pm
catatac wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2024 11:11 am
This comment from Colter is a bit of a surprise to me - but I guess we'll see. I guess I'll come back to the Tommy example. When we're all watching that Cat Griz game in Missoula before the coaches decided to start Tommy..... were you, or was anyone else looking at Tommy thinking, he's ready, I know he's ready to start and win big games??

"But to me, it's very clear that neither Reed or Wilson is ready to play in big games. Given the offense MSU runs and the makeup and history of Mellott, you have to have someone who is ready to play in a big game. And every person I know who has watched spring and fall ball from the MSU side of things agrees."
I would attribute the defense in 21 and McCutcheon to Tommy’s success in the playoffs. He was good but definitely helped to have multiple NFL guys on the team. You can call me crazy but I think a guy like Wilson or Reed could boost the offense and really get the ball into the skill players’ hands more often. Look at guys like Jared White or McCutcheon who don’t get the ball enough, if Tommy gets hurt they could see a lot more touches. As long as Wilson or Reed or whoever can manage the game and not turn it over I think we have enough good players where we would be fine, maybe not championship level, but fine.
Pretty hard to blame Tommy for McCutcheon not getting the ball enough.
It's wild that at one time, we had a QB and three WRs on the team who have now all spent time on NFL rosters, but we were a running football team.
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