Weekly poll

[Bocephus]

This is what I expect from most voters.

https://herosports.com/fcs-top-25-sam-h ... 2024-bzbz/

He thinks MSU is likely to overtake the loser of the Marker game, as long as they beat PSU. Man I hope he’s right. Would SDSU winning give more justification to moving MSU to 2?

[BleedingBLue]

This is what I expect from most voters.

https://herosports.com/fcs-top-25-sam-h ... 2024-bzbz/

He thinks MSU is likely to overtake the loser of the Marker game, as long as they beat PSU. Man I hope he’s right. Would SDSU winning give more justification to moving MSU to 2?

No matter who wins, an 8-0 Cats team, one with an FBS win and a top 10 win will absolutely be #2.

[technoCat]

This is what I expect from most voters.

https://herosports.com/fcs-top-25-sam-h ... 2024-bzbz/

I find the quote that we have the best win(Idaho) a bit odd. We have the best 2 wins. Does anyone honestly think that a team that either of the DSUs have beat would go down to UNM with no film in that environment and win? Maybe he's just keeping it to FCS but don't say we haven't played anyone.

[RootinfortheCats]

No matter who wins, an 8-0 Cats team, one with an FBS win and a top 10 win will absolutely be #2.

And undefeated 12-0 with an FBS win …

#1 seed in the playoffs.

[tetoncat]

Yep, good description. I 100% agree with the DSUs being #1 and #2 right now, zero questions about that. I also know that the powers that be probably want to do whatever they can to set up a showdown between NDSU and SDSU in Frisco. It is what it is. the ONLY way would lose my $&#* over all this is if the Cats win out and are not #1 or #2. I don't think there's any way that could ever happen but if they did put one of the above MSU with two losses..... again, I'd lose my ****. lol

Sorry man, but the “powers that be” comment doesn’t make much sense. Any “powers that be” would love to see a Montana school in the championship. Both MSU and UM draw well and the entire state’s population (long with respective alumni) is watching the game regardless of which team is in the chipper.

They could have done that in 2022 when MSU’s only loss was to Oregon State. Instead, they put a 2-loss NDSU ahead of MSU so the DSU’s would be on opposite sides of the bracket.

NDSU lost 2 games in 2022 by a total of 5 points. 3 point loss to a PAC 12 team and a 2 point loss to SDSU. We lost 68-28 to a PAC 12 team. Lots of context. Not just about the records. As long as the championship has any combination of the 4 schools, the NCAA will be overjoyed.

And Oregon State would have done same thing to NDSU that year. Cats rushed fine that game but couldn't throw. Improved a ton as year went on. Context does matter.

[onceacat]

If MSU ends up 12-0, the committee is gonna have a choice to make.

Their choice will be two 2-loss MVFC teams before MSU. Not trying to be a downer, that's just my prediction.

2 loss? No. If the winner of the Marker loses a second game somewhere else a 12-0 Cats will be the #1 unquestionably. If the winner wins out to be 11-1 they will be the #1 and the Cats will be the #2.

They both already have losses, FBS losses but still. I agree 100% with your post, and it amazes me that people still think the committee could somehow put a 12-0 MSU team behind a 10-2 DSU team, when the Cats would have an FBS win and at least three likely top 10-15 wins on the resume. Not happening. I mean sure, they COULD do that but there would be lawsuits and stuff.

A 2-loss MVFC team is NEVER NEVER NEVER going to get a seed higher than an undefeated Big Sky team. Never. Cat fans have this really bizarre counterfactual narrative about 2022 that because a 9-2 NDSU got the 3 seed above a 10-2 MSU team...that somehow an undefeated BSC team would also drop to #3.

Cat fans with their persecution complex conveniently forget that an undefeated Sac State team got the #2 seed over the 2 loss NDSU...and NDSU with its 3 point loss on the road to SDSU & a 2 point loss to FBS Arizona got the nod over MSU with its beatdown in Corvallis.

The committee 100% got it 100% correct in 2022 and they will follow the EXACT same logic in 2024.

A 1 loss DSU will get the #1 seed over an undefeated BSC team. And an undefeated BSC team will get the #2 seed over a 2 loss DSU. And a 2 loss DSU will ALWAYS get the nod over a 2 loss BSC team (can only be Davis or UM this year).

Seedings are REALLY predictable and its REALLY rare to see them vary from some really basic rules.

And MSU has universally been treated far more generously by the seeding committee than most any other team in the FCS.

People need to get a grip and remember what actually happened in 2022.

[onceacat]

No matter who wins, an 8-0 Cats team, one with an FBS win and a top 10 win will absolutely be #2.

And undefeated 12-0 with an FBS win …

#1 seed in the playoffs.

A DSU team with 1 FBS loss is in all likelihood going to get the nod over a 12-0 MSU team. At least with MSUs relatively weak SOS this year & the rest of the Big Sky being a little down.

MSU controls its own destiny for the #2 seed, but needs whatever team loses the marker to take another loss to sew up the #1 seed.

[GoCats18]

After UM’s dominating win over NAU, Hero Sports will have UM back in the top 3. MSU will drop to #6…haha!!

[Bocephus]

No matter who wins, an 8-0 Cats team, one with an FBS win and a top 10 win will absolutely be #2.

And undefeated 12-0 with an FBS win …

#1 seed in the playoffs.

A DSU team with 1 FBS loss is in all likelihood going to get the nod over a 12-0 MSU team. At least with MSUs relatively weak SOS this year & the rest of the Big Sky being a little down.

MSU controls its own destiny for the #2 seed, but needs whatever team loses the marker to take another loss to sew up the #1 seed.

South Dakota is probably the only real shot at taking down one of the DSU's. They have NDSU at home and travel to SDSU. NDSU losing to both SDSU and South Dakota gives the Cats the most wiggle room to lock up the 2 seed.

[MSU01]

A 2-loss MVFC team is NEVER NEVER NEVER going to get a seed higher than an undefeated Big Sky team. Never. Cat fans have this really bizarre counterfactual narrative about 2022 that because a 9-2 NDSU got the 3 seed above a 10-2 MSU team...that somehow an undefeated BSC team would also drop to #3.

Cat fans with their persecution complex conveniently forget that an undefeated Sac State team got the #2 seed over the 2 loss NDSU...and NDSU with its 3 point loss on the road to SDSU & a 2 point loss to FBS Arizona got the nod over MSU with its beatdown in Corvallis.

The committee 100% got it 100% correct in 2022 and they will follow the EXACT same logic in 2024.

A 1 loss DSU will get the #1 seed over an undefeated BSC team. And an undefeated BSC team will get the #2 seed over a 2 loss DSU. And a 2 loss DSU will ALWAYS get the nod over a 2 loss BSC team (can only be Davis or UM this year).

Seedings are REALLY predictable and its REALLY rare to see them vary from some really basic rules.

And MSU has universally been treated far more generously by the seeding committee than most any other team in the FCS.

People need to get a grip and remember what actually happened in 2022.

Call it a persecution complex if you want, but it's also a realization that we're in 2024 now, the committee has different people on it than it did two years ago, and what happened that year is not a guarantee to happen again this year. Three of the best four teams right now are in the MVFC, they all play each other, and the Big Sky is down this year after MSU at the top and maybe Davis. I guess we'll see what the committee thinks in a couple weeks when they release their initial Top 10 rankings and we'll get to see how they compare a (hopefully) undefeated MSU team with a 2-loss XDSU team.

[Prodigal Cat]

If MSU ends up 12-0, the committee is gonna have a choice to make.

Their choice will be two 2-loss MVFC teams before MSU. Not trying to be a downer, that's just my prediction.

2 loss? No. If the winner of the Marker loses a second game somewhere else a 12-0 Cats will be the #1 unquestionably. If the winner wins out to be 11-1 they will be the #1 and the Cats will be the #2.

They both already have losses, FBS losses but still. I agree 100% with your post, and it amazes me that people still think the committee could somehow put a 12-0 MSU team behind a 10-2 DSU team, when the Cats would have an FBS win and at least three likely top 10-15 wins on the resume. Not happening. I mean sure, they COULD do that but there would be lawsuits and stuff.

A 2-loss MVFC team is NEVER NEVER NEVER going to get a seed higher than an undefeated Big Sky team. Never. Cat fans have this really bizarre counterfactual narrative about 2022 that because a 9-2 NDSU got the 3 seed above a 10-2 MSU team...that somehow an undefeated BSC team would also drop to #3.

Cat fans with their persecution complex conveniently forget that an undefeated Sac State team got the #2 seed over the 2 loss NDSU...and NDSU with its 3 point loss on the road to SDSU & a 2 point loss to FBS Arizona got the nod over MSU with its beatdown in Corvallis.

The committee 100% got it 100% correct in 2022 and they will follow the EXACT same logic in 2024.

A 1 loss DSU will get the #1 seed over an undefeated BSC team. And an undefeated BSC team will get the #2 seed over a 2 loss DSU. And a 2 loss DSU will ALWAYS get the nod over a 2 loss BSC team (can only be Davis or UM this year).

Seedings are REALLY predictable and its REALLY rare to see them vary from some really basic rules.

And MSU has universally been treated far more generously by the seeding committee than most any other team in the FCS.

People need to get a grip and remember what actually happened in 2022.

Sorta. NDSU didn’t lose on the road. They lost at home.

[lutecat]

So looking ahead, probably only 3 teams from the Big Sky make the playoffs? Though of the griz lose to Davis and us, do they make it?

[VimSince03]

So looking ahead, probably only 3 teams from the Big Sky make the playoffs? Though of the griz lose to Davis and us, do they make it?

Four loss Griz team likely always makes the playoffs.

[MSU01]

So looking ahead, probably only 3 teams from the Big Sky make the playoffs? Though of the griz lose to Davis and us, do they make it?

I think MSU, UM, Idaho, and Davis are all highly likely to finish at 8-4 or better, and I think all of those teams will get in if they do. IMO, 9-3 as a Big Sky team gets you a seed and 8-4 gets you an unseeded at large bid. A fifth team seems quite unlikely since every other Big Sky team already has 4 or more losses and zero margin for error the rest of the season if they want to get in.

Edit: NAU may have an outside shot too. Their remaining schedule is very weak (ISU, Weber, EWU at home, Poly and UNC away) and if they win out they can also be 8-4.

[onceacat]

A 2-loss MVFC team is NEVER NEVER NEVER going to get a seed higher than an undefeated Big Sky team. Never. Cat fans have this really bizarre counterfactual narrative about 2022 that because a 9-2 NDSU got the 3 seed above a 10-2 MSU team...that somehow an undefeated BSC team would also drop to #3.

Cat fans with their persecution complex conveniently forget that an undefeated Sac State team got the #2 seed over the 2 loss NDSU...and NDSU with its 3 point loss on the road to SDSU & a 2 point loss to FBS Arizona got the nod over MSU with its beatdown in Corvallis.

The committee 100% got it 100% correct in 2022 and they will follow the EXACT same logic in 2024.

A 1 loss DSU will get the #1 seed over an undefeated BSC team. And an undefeated BSC team will get the #2 seed over a 2 loss DSU. And a 2 loss DSU will ALWAYS get the nod over a 2 loss BSC team (can only be Davis or UM this year).

Seedings are REALLY predictable and its REALLY rare to see them vary from some really basic rules.

And MSU has universally been treated far more generously by the seeding committee than most any other team in the FCS.

People need to get a grip and remember what actually happened in 2022.

Call it a persecution complex if you want, but it's also a realization that we're in 2024 now, the committee has different people on it than it did two years ago, and what happened that year is not a guarantee to happen again this year. Three of the best four teams right now are in the MVFC, they all play each other, and the Big Sky is down this year after MSU at the top and maybe Davis. I guess we'll see what the committee thinks in a couple weeks when they release their initial Top 10 rankings and we'll get to see how they compare a (hopefully) undefeated MSU team with a 2-loss XDSU team.

How these committees make their decisions doesn't really change.

Until some sort of conference realignment: A undefeated Big Sky team will ALWAYS get seeded ahead of a 2 loss MVFC team.

Playing in the MVFC is basically worth one extra win relative to the Big Sky, which is worth 1 extra win compared with the CAA which is worth 1 extra win compared to the rest of the FCS. So a 1 loss Southland team will end up seeded around a 4 loss MVFC or 3 loss Big Sky team.

Its been this way for 10+ years now & its surprisingly consistent.

[MSU01]

A 2-loss MVFC team is NEVER NEVER NEVER going to get a seed higher than an undefeated Big Sky team. Never. Cat fans have this really bizarre counterfactual narrative about 2022 that because a 9-2 NDSU got the 3 seed above a 10-2 MSU team...that somehow an undefeated BSC team would also drop to #3.

Cat fans with their persecution complex conveniently forget that an undefeated Sac State team got the #2 seed over the 2 loss NDSU...and NDSU with its 3 point loss on the road to SDSU & a 2 point loss to FBS Arizona got the nod over MSU with its beatdown in Corvallis.

The committee 100% got it 100% correct in 2022 and they will follow the EXACT same logic in 2024.

A 1 loss DSU will get the #1 seed over an undefeated BSC team. And an undefeated BSC team will get the #2 seed over a 2 loss DSU. And a 2 loss DSU will ALWAYS get the nod over a 2 loss BSC team (can only be Davis or UM this year).

Seedings are REALLY predictable and its REALLY rare to see them vary from some really basic rules.

And MSU has universally been treated far more generously by the seeding committee than most any other team in the FCS.

People need to get a grip and remember what actually happened in 2022.

Call it a persecution complex if you want, but it's also a realization that we're in 2024 now, the committee has different people on it than it did two years ago, and what happened that year is not a guarantee to happen again this year. Three of the best four teams right now are in the MVFC, they all play each other, and the Big Sky is down this year after MSU at the top and maybe Davis. I guess we'll see what the committee thinks in a couple weeks when they release their initial Top 10 rankings and we'll get to see how they compare a (hopefully) undefeated MSU team with a 2-loss XDSU team.

How these committees make their decisions doesn't really change.

Until some sort of conference realignment: A undefeated Big Sky team will ALWAYS get seeded ahead of a 2 loss MVFC team.

Playing in the MVFC is basically worth one extra win relative to the Big Sky, which is worth 1 extra win compared with the CAA which is worth 1 extra win compared to the rest of the FCS. So a 1 loss Southland team will end up seeded around a 4 loss MVFC or 3 loss Big Sky team.

Its been this way for 10+ years now & its surprisingly consistent.

I think you're likely right but wouldn't go as far myself as to say it will always happen. SDSU does have a Division II win this year which won't help, and NDSU has that near-loss at an ETSU team that doesn't appear to be all that good this year. Hopefully the Bobcats can take care of business in emphatic fashion and make the committee's decision a certainty rather than (IMO) a high probability!

[91catAlum]

If MSU ends up 12-0, the committee is gonna have a choice to make.

Their choice will be two 2-loss MVFC teams before MSU. Not trying to be a downer, that's just my prediction.

2 loss? No. If the winner of the Marker loses a second game somewhere else a 12-0 Cats will be the #1 unquestionably. If the winner wins out to be 11-1 they will be the #1 and the Cats will be the #2.

They both already have losses, FBS losses but still. I agree 100% with your post, and it amazes me that people still think the committee could somehow put a 12-0 MSU team behind a 10-2 DSU team, when the Cats would have an FBS win and at least three likely top 10-15 wins on the resume. Not happening. I mean sure, they COULD do that but there would be lawsuits and stuff.

A 2-loss MVFC team is NEVER NEVER NEVER going to get a seed higher than an undefeated Big Sky team. Never. Cat fans have this really bizarre counterfactual narrative about 2022 that because a 9-2 NDSU got the 3 seed above a 10-2 MSU team...that somehow an undefeated BSC team would also drop to #3.

Cat fans with their persecution complex conveniently forget that an undefeated Sac State team got the #2 seed over the 2 loss NDSU...and NDSU with its 3 point loss on the road to SDSU & a 2 point loss to FBS Arizona got the nod over MSU with its beatdown in Corvallis.

The committee 100% got it 100% correct in 2022 and they will follow the EXACT same logic in 2024.

A 1 loss DSU will get the #1 seed over an undefeated BSC team. And an undefeated BSC team will get the #2 seed over a 2 loss DSU. And a 2 loss DSU will ALWAYS get the nod over a 2 loss BSC team (can only be Davis or UM this year).

Seedings are REALLY predictable and its REALLY rare to see them vary from some really basic rules.

And MSU has universally been treated far more generously by the seeding committee than most any other team in the FCS.

People need to get a grip and remember what actually happened in 2022.

The Cats were 10-1 in 2022 with its only loss to FBS Oregon State. Not 10-2 like you stated above. And No it wasn't just Bobcat fans who felt that MSU got hosed on the seeding in 2022. Several of the unbiased FCS media people and podcasters, for example Hack City, said that MSU got screwed being placed below ndsu after blowing out a highly ranked griz team and going undefeated vs the FCS.
You're welcome to your opinion but you're in the minority. There is no persecution complex, its not that hard to look at the resumes and conclude that MSU deserved to be seeded above ndsu that year.

[Prodigal Cat]

If MSU ends up 12-0, the committee is gonna have a choice to make.

Their choice will be two 2-loss MVFC teams before MSU. Not trying to be a downer, that's just my prediction.

2 loss? No. If the winner of the Marker loses a second game somewhere else a 12-0 Cats will be the #1 unquestionably. If the winner wins out to be 11-1 they will be the #1 and the Cats will be the #2.

They both already have losses, FBS losses but still. I agree 100% with your post, and it amazes me that people still think the committee could somehow put a 12-0 MSU team behind a 10-2 DSU team, when the Cats would have an FBS win and at least three likely top 10-15 wins on the resume. Not happening. I mean sure, they COULD do that but there would be lawsuits and stuff.

A 2-loss MVFC team is NEVER NEVER NEVER going to get a seed higher than an undefeated Big Sky team. Never. Cat fans have this really bizarre counterfactual narrative about 2022 that because a 9-2 NDSU got the 3 seed above a 10-2 MSU team...that somehow an undefeated BSC team would also drop to #3.

Cat fans with their persecution complex conveniently forget that an undefeated Sac State team got the #2 seed over the 2 loss NDSU...and NDSU with its 3 point loss on the road to SDSU & a 2 point loss to FBS Arizona got the nod over MSU with its beatdown in Corvallis.

The committee 100% got it 100% correct in 2022 and they will follow the EXACT same logic in 2024.

A 1 loss DSU will get the #1 seed over an undefeated BSC team. And an undefeated BSC team will get the #2 seed over a 2 loss DSU. And a 2 loss DSU will ALWAYS get the nod over a 2 loss BSC team (can only be Davis or UM this year).

Seedings are REALLY predictable and its REALLY rare to see them vary from some really basic rules.

And MSU has universally been treated far more generously by the seeding committee than most any other team in the FCS.

People need to get a grip and remember what actually happened in 2022.

The Cats were 10-1 in 2022 with its only loss to FBS Oregon State. Not 10-2 like you stated above. And No it wasn't just Bobcat fans who felt that MSU got hosed on the seeding in 2022. Several of the unbiased FCS media people and podcasters, for example Hack City, said that MSU got screwed being placed below ndsu after blowing out a highly ranked griz team and going undefeated vs the FCS.
You're welcome to your opinion but you're in the minority. There is no persecution complex, its not that hard to look at the resumes and conclude that MSU deserved to be seeded above ndsu that year.

This. If Sac St lost their final game to UC Davis not only would the Cats have gotten the 3, I think they would have gotten the 2 in place of the Hornets because the committee would still have gotten the desired result. The xDSUs on the opposite sides of the bracket. There was no way they could put a 2 loss NDSU above undefeated Sac and SDSU was the clear number 1 so they had to screw over MSU so that the Bison were the 3 instead of the 4 and not get a Marker rematch in the semis.
Jamie Williams who has a vote said as the bracket went live that the Cats got absolutely screwed, Herder said as much also and coach Vigen was livid. This isn't just a Cats fan misremembering or persecution thing. It was a screw job.

FCS Fans Nation podcast from that day (skip to the 20 min mark)
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/t ... 0586878561

[GoodTimesAllTheTime]

If MSU ends up 12-0, the committee is gonna have a choice to make.

Their choice will be two 2-loss MVFC teams before MSU. Not trying to be a downer, that's just my prediction.

2 loss? No. If the winner of the Marker loses a second game somewhere else a 12-0 Cats will be the #1 unquestionably. If the winner wins out to be 11-1 they will be the #1 and the Cats will be the #2.

They both already have losses, FBS losses but still. I agree 100% with your post, and it amazes me that people still think the committee could somehow put a 12-0 MSU team behind a 10-2 DSU team, when the Cats would have an FBS win and at least three likely top 10-15 wins on the resume. Not happening. I mean sure, they COULD do that but there would be lawsuits and stuff.

A 2-loss MVFC team is NEVER NEVER NEVER going to get a seed higher than an undefeated Big Sky team. Never. Cat fans have this really bizarre counterfactual narrative about 2022 that because a 9-2 NDSU got the 3 seed above a 10-2 MSU team...that somehow an undefeated BSC team would also drop to #3.

Cat fans with their persecution complex conveniently forget that an undefeated Sac State team got the #2 seed over the 2 loss NDSU...and NDSU with its 3 point loss on the road to SDSU & a 2 point loss to FBS Arizona got the nod over MSU with its beatdown in Corvallis.

The committee 100% got it 100% correct in 2022 and they will follow the EXACT same logic in 2024.

A 1 loss DSU will get the #1 seed over an undefeated BSC team. And an undefeated BSC team will get the #2 seed over a 2 loss DSU. And a 2 loss DSU will ALWAYS get the nod over a 2 loss BSC team (can only be Davis or UM this year).

Seedings are REALLY predictable and its REALLY rare to see them vary from some really basic rules.

And MSU has universally been treated far more generously by the seeding committee than most any other team in the FCS.

People need to get a grip and remember what actually happened in 2022.

MSU was 10-1 going into the playoffs in 2022. The Cats only regular season loss was to Oregon State. If you’re going to be condescending, you could at least be correct.

[hokeyfine]

Coaches poll has bobcats #3. But we did get more first place votes than NDSU.