Weekly poll

[RickRund]

The gris cannot be happy with the #16 spot.

[MSU01]

New media poll is out too, Cats are still #3 but picked up four additional first-place votes compared to last week. MSU picked up one additional first place vote in the coaches poll.

https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/ ... fcs-top-25

[MSU01]

The gris cannot be happy with the #16 spot.

They're 11th in both polls this week.

[Cataholic]

Herder has the Cats as the number 1 seed after this win over Idaho.

https://herosports.com/fcs-football-202 ... ns-1-bzbz/

[RootinfortheCats]

No matter who wins, an 8-0 Cats team, one with an FBS win and a top 10 win will absolutely be #2.

And undefeated 12-0 with an FBS win …

#1 seed in the playoffs.

A DSU team with 1 FBS loss is in all likelihood going to get the nod over a 12-0 MSU team. At least with MSUs relatively weak SOS this year & the rest of the Big Sky being a little down.

MSU controls its own destiny for the #2 seed, but needs whatever team loses the marker to take another loss to sew up the #1 seed.

Herder thinks it’s possible:

https://herosports.com/fcs-football-202 ... ns-1-bzbz/

[MSU01]

No matter who wins, an 8-0 Cats team, one with an FBS win and a top 10 win will absolutely be #2.

And undefeated 12-0 with an FBS win …

#1 seed in the playoffs.

A DSU team with 1 FBS loss is in all likelihood going to get the nod over a 12-0 MSU team. At least with MSUs relatively weak SOS this year & the rest of the Big Sky being a little down.

MSU controls its own destiny for the #2 seed, but needs whatever team loses the marker to take another loss to sew up the #1 seed.

Herder thinks it’s possible:

https://herosports.com/fcs-football-202 ... ns-1-bzbz/

What an absolute dream of a bracket that would be. MSU at #1 and NDSU, SDSU, USD all on the other side of the bracket. Somehow I doubt the committee would ever let that happen!

[RootinfortheCats]

No matter who wins, an 8-0 Cats team, one with an FBS win and a top 10 win will absolutely be #2.

And undefeated 12-0 with an FBS win …

#1 seed in the playoffs.

A DSU team with 1 FBS loss is in all likelihood going to get the nod over a 12-0 MSU team. At least with MSUs relatively weak SOS this year & the rest of the Big Sky being a little down.

MSU controls its own destiny for the #2 seed, but needs whatever team loses the marker to take another loss to sew up the #1 seed.

Herder thinks it’s possible:

https://herosports.com/fcs-football-202 ... ns-1-bzbz/

What an absolute dream of a bracket that would be. MSU at #1 and NDSU, SDSU, USD all on the other side of the bracket. Somehow I doubt the committee would ever let that happen!

If the Cats win out I think it’s the most likely scenario. The committee will not overlook an undefeated BSC team with an FBS win. There is a good chance the Cats will also have 3 top 10 wins as well (UCD and um).

[nanacat]

That's a great bracket if it holds true!

[BleedingBLue]

My biggest issue with SDSU still being number 1, is that it's clearly based on last year. NDSU has 3 now ranked wins, SDSU has 1 and the Cats have 1 + an FBS win. It should really be NDSU, MSU, SDSU right now. Doesn't really matter as the loser of the Marker will be #3 next week as long as the Cats win Saturday. And the winner will be #1.

[technoCat]

My biggest issue with SDSU still being number 1, is that it's clearly based on last year. NDSU has 3 now ranked wins, SDSU has 1 and the Cats have 1 + an FBS win. It should really be NDSU, MSU, SDSU right now. Doesn't really matter as the loser of the Marker will be #3 next week as long as the Cats win Saturday. And the winner will be #1.

Is there a possibility that if the Marker is a blowout that the loser drops by more than that? Say NDSU wins by 20, could SDSU drop below USD?

[BleedingBLue]

My biggest issue with SDSU still being number 1, is that it's clearly based on last year. NDSU has 3 now ranked wins, SDSU has 1 and the Cats have 1 + an FBS win. It should really be NDSU, MSU, SDSU right now. Doesn't really matter as the loser of the Marker will be #3 next week as long as the Cats win Saturday. And the winner will be #1.

Is there a possibility that if the Marker is a blowout that the loser drops by more than that? Say NDSU wins by 20, could SDSU drop below USD?

I'd say that's definitely possible. Maybe fall as low as 5 with Nova moving ahead of them too. Nobody has good resumes though because the CAA is so huge, and both the BSC and MVFC are beating each other up worse than usual.

[BleedingBLue]

And this is the problem with voters, even ones "in the know." I'm unsure how SDSU's win over UIW is more impressive than the Cats win over Idaho + FBS win. They have a good win over NAU, and no other good wins. Also have a loss to a bad SIU team.

https://www.si.com/college/fcs/mvfc/fcs ... allot-2024

[coloradocat]

My biggest issue with SDSU still being number 1, is that it's clearly based on last year. NDSU has 3 now ranked wins, SDSU has 1 and the Cats have 1 + an FBS win. It should really be NDSU, MSU, SDSU right now. Doesn't really matter as the loser of the Marker will be #3 next week as long as the Cats win Saturday. And the winner will be #1.

Is there a possibility that if the Marker is a blowout that the loser drops by more than that? Say NDSU wins by 20, could SDSU drop below USD?

I'd say that's definitely possible. Maybe fall as low as 5 with Nova moving ahead of them too. Nobody has good resumes though because the CAA is so huge, and both the BSC and MVFC are beating each other up worse than usual.

It's more likely that the team delivering the blowout will be considered even better than previously thought and it will be impossible to unseat them while the losing team only drops down to 3 because everyone assumes there is a clear top 3 and then the next tier starts after a significant gap. I doubt more than a handful of voters will really think one DSU getting blown out against the other DSU means it is at or below the level of a USD/Nova.

[BleedingBLue]

My biggest issue with SDSU still being number 1, is that it's clearly based on last year. NDSU has 3 now ranked wins, SDSU has 1 and the Cats have 1 + an FBS win. It should really be NDSU, MSU, SDSU right now. Doesn't really matter as the loser of the Marker will be #3 next week as long as the Cats win Saturday. And the winner will be #1.

Is there a possibility that if the Marker is a blowout that the loser drops by more than that? Say NDSU wins by 20, could SDSU drop below USD?

I'd say that's definitely possible. Maybe fall as low as 5 with Nova moving ahead of them too. Nobody has good resumes though because the CAA is so huge, and both the BSC and MVFC are beating each other up worse than usual.

It's more likely that the team delivering the blowout will be considered even better than previously thought and it will be impossible to unseat them while the losing team only drops down to 3 because everyone assumes there is a clear top 3 and then the next tier starts after a significant gap. I doubt more than a handful of voters will really think one DSU getting blown out against the other DSU means it is at or below the level of a USD/Nova.

Agreed, but I'd say it's more likely, though not probable, if SDSU loses because they haven't beat anybody but UIW this year, and struggled with DII Augustana.

[BleedingBLue]

Mercer has been one of the most impressive teams in the FCS in my opinion. They're giving up 7.66 points per game. I don't care what schedule you have played (all FCS schedule), that's damn good. I'd have them 5th right now.

[justafan]

My biggest issue with SDSU still being number 1, is that it's clearly based on last year. NDSU has 3 now ranked wins, SDSU has 1 and the Cats have 1 + an FBS win. It should really be NDSU, MSU, SDSU right now. Doesn't really matter as the loser of the Marker will be #3 next week as long as the Cats win Saturday. And the winner will be #1.

https://images.app.goo.gl/bF18Y2qa49GQwTtA9

[BleedingBLue]

My biggest issue with SDSU still being number 1, is that it's clearly based on last year. NDSU has 3 now ranked wins, SDSU has 1 and the Cats have 1 + an FBS win. It should really be NDSU, MSU, SDSU right now. Doesn't really matter as the loser of the Marker will be #3 next week as long as the Cats win Saturday. And the winner will be #1.

https://images.app.goo.gl/bF18Y2qa49GQwTtA9

True, but not the point here.

[catatac]

If MSU ends up 12-0, the committee is gonna have a choice to make.

Their choice will be two 2-loss MVFC teams before MSU. Not trying to be a downer, that's just my prediction.

2 loss? No. If the winner of the Marker loses a second game somewhere else a 12-0 Cats will be the #1 unquestionably. If the winner wins out to be 11-1 they will be the #1 and the Cats will be the #2.

They both already have losses, FBS losses but still. I agree 100% with your post, and it amazes me that people still think the committee could somehow put a 12-0 MSU team behind a 10-2 DSU team, when the Cats would have an FBS win and at least three likely top 10-15 wins on the resume. Not happening. I mean sure, they COULD do that but there would be lawsuits and stuff.

A 2-loss MVFC team is NEVER NEVER NEVER going to get a seed higher than an undefeated Big Sky team. Never. Cat fans have this really bizarre counterfactual narrative about 2022 that because a 9-2 NDSU got the 3 seed above a 10-2 MSU team...that somehow an undefeated BSC team would also drop to #3.

Cat fans with their persecution complex conveniently forget that an undefeated Sac State team got the #2 seed over the 2 loss NDSU...and NDSU with its 3 point loss on the road to SDSU & a 2 point loss to FBS Arizona got the nod over MSU with its beatdown in Corvallis.

The committee 100% got it 100% correct in 2022 and they will follow the EXACT same logic in 2024.

A 1 loss DSU will get the #1 seed over an undefeated BSC team. And an undefeated BSC team will get the #2 seed over a 2 loss DSU. And a 2 loss DSU will ALWAYS get the nod over a 2 loss BSC team (can only be Davis or UM this year).

Seedings are REALLY predictable and its REALLY rare to see them vary from some really basic rules.

And MSU has universally been treated far more generously by the seeding committee than most any other team in the FCS.

People need to get a grip and remember what actually happened in 2022.

The Cats were 10-1 in 2022 with its only loss to FBS Oregon State. Not 10-2 like you stated above. And No it wasn't just Bobcat fans who felt that MSU got hosed on the seeding in 2022. Several of the unbiased FCS media people and podcasters, for example Hack City, said that MSU got screwed being placed below ndsu after blowing out a highly ranked griz team and going undefeated vs the FCS.
You're welcome to your opinion but you're in the minority. There is no persecution complex, its not that hard to look at the resumes and conclude that MSU deserved to be seeded above ndsu that year.

This. If Sac St lost their final game to UC Davis not only would the Cats have gotten the 3, I think they would have gotten the 2 in place of the Hornets because the committee would still have gotten the desired result. The xDSUs on the opposite sides of the bracket. There was no way they could put a 2 loss NDSU above undefeated Sac and SDSU was the clear number 1 so they had to screw over MSU so that the Bison were the 3 instead of the 4 and not get a Marker rematch in the semis.
Jamie Williams who has a vote said as the bracket went live that the Cats got absolutely screwed, Herder said as much also and coach Vigen was livid. This isn't just a Cats fan misremembering or persecution thing. It was a screw job.

FCS Fans Nation podcast from that day (skip to the 20 min mark)
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/t ... 0586878561

Yep, onceacat is dead wrong on this one, these last two posts speak the truth. Sorry onceacat. Not piling on you here, mistakes happen!!

[onceacat]

If MSU ends up 12-0, the committee is gonna have a choice to make.

Their choice will be two 2-loss MVFC teams before MSU. Not trying to be a downer, that's just my prediction.

2 loss? No. If the winner of the Marker loses a second game somewhere else a 12-0 Cats will be the #1 unquestionably. If the winner wins out to be 11-1 they will be the #1 and the Cats will be the #2.

They both already have losses, FBS losses but still. I agree 100% with your post, and it amazes me that people still think the committee could somehow put a 12-0 MSU team behind a 10-2 DSU team, when the Cats would have an FBS win and at least three likely top 10-15 wins on the resume. Not happening. I mean sure, they COULD do that but there would be lawsuits and stuff.

A 2-loss MVFC team is NEVER NEVER NEVER going to get a seed higher than an undefeated Big Sky team. Never. Cat fans have this really bizarre counterfactual narrative about 2022 that because a 9-2 NDSU got the 3 seed above a 10-2 MSU team...that somehow an undefeated BSC team would also drop to #3.

Cat fans with their persecution complex conveniently forget that an undefeated Sac State team got the #2 seed over the 2 loss NDSU...and NDSU with its 3 point loss on the road to SDSU & a 2 point loss to FBS Arizona got the nod over MSU with its beatdown in Corvallis.

The committee 100% got it 100% correct in 2022 and they will follow the EXACT same logic in 2024.

A 1 loss DSU will get the #1 seed over an undefeated BSC team. And an undefeated BSC team will get the #2 seed over a 2 loss DSU. And a 2 loss DSU will ALWAYS get the nod over a 2 loss BSC team (can only be Davis or UM this year).

Seedings are REALLY predictable and its REALLY rare to see them vary from some really basic rules.

And MSU has universally been treated far more generously by the seeding committee than most any other team in the FCS.

People need to get a grip and remember what actually happened in 2022.

The Cats were 10-1 in 2022 with its only loss to FBS Oregon State. Not 10-2 like you stated above. And No it wasn't just Bobcat fans who felt that MSU got hosed on the seeding in 2022. Several of the unbiased FCS media people and podcasters, for example Hack City, said that MSU got screwed being placed below ndsu after blowing out a highly ranked griz team and going undefeated vs the FCS.
You're welcome to your opinion but you're in the minority. There is no persecution complex, its not that hard to look at the resumes and conclude that MSU deserved to be seeded above ndsu that year.

This. If Sac St lost their final game to UC Davis not only would the Cats have gotten the 3, I think they would have gotten the 2 in place of the Hornets because the committee would still have gotten the desired result. The xDSUs on the opposite sides of the bracket. There was no way they could put a 2 loss NDSU above undefeated Sac and SDSU was the clear number 1 so they had to screw over MSU so that the Bison were the 3 instead of the 4 and not get a Marker rematch in the semis.
Jamie Williams who has a vote said as the bracket went live that the Cats got absolutely screwed, Herder said as much also and coach Vigen was livid. This isn't just a Cats fan misremembering or persecution thing. It was a screw job.

FCS Fans Nation podcast from that day (skip to the 20 min mark)
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/t ... 0586878561

Yep, onceacat is dead wrong on this one, these last two posts speak the truth. Sorry onceacat. Not piling on you here, mistakes happen!!

Reasonable people can make a solid case that MSU should have been the #3.

And, 100%, the committee was trying to keep both the DSUs AND the 2 Big Sky co-champs on opposite sides of the brackets.

But it's not even remotely close to a concept of a 'screw' job, because theres ZERO difference between a #4 seed and a #3 seed. Unless you think that the #2 seed is somehow significantly worse than the #1 seed, in which case it's really the #3 seed that got the screw job.

Putting the Cats as #3 or as #4 was totally justifiable, and only 'screwed' the Cats becsuse the Cats laid a total egg in Brookings. It's not the committees fault that the Cats showed unprepared and uninterested in playing that game.

As it pertains to the whole discussion: An undefeated Big Sky team IS NOT going to drop below a 2 loss DSU school. And even if you think the Cats deserved the #3 seed (reasonable, but far from obvious), the results of 2022 PROVE that the committee will not put a 2 loss DSU team above an undefeated Big Sky team.

[onceacat]

If MSU ends up 12-0, the committee is gonna have a choice to make.

Their choice will be two 2-loss MVFC teams before MSU. Not trying to be a downer, that's just my prediction.

2 loss? No. If the winner of the Marker loses a second game somewhere else a 12-0 Cats will be the #1 unquestionably. If the winner wins out to be 11-1 they will be the #1 and the Cats will be the #2.

They both already have losses, FBS losses but still. I agree 100% with your post, and it amazes me that people still think the committee could somehow put a 12-0 MSU team behind a 10-2 DSU team, when the Cats would have an FBS win and at least three likely top 10-15 wins on the resume. Not happening. I mean sure, they COULD do that but there would be lawsuits and stuff.

A 2-loss MVFC team is NEVER NEVER NEVER going to get a seed higher than an undefeated Big Sky team. Never. Cat fans have this really bizarre counterfactual narrative about 2022 that because a 9-2 NDSU got the 3 seed above a 10-2 MSU team...that somehow an undefeated BSC team would also drop to #3.

Cat fans with their persecution complex conveniently forget that an undefeated Sac State team got the #2 seed over the 2 loss NDSU...and NDSU with its 3 point loss on the road to SDSU & a 2 point loss to FBS Arizona got the nod over MSU with its beatdown in Corvallis.

The committee 100% got it 100% correct in 2022 and they will follow the EXACT same logic in 2024.

A 1 loss DSU will get the #1 seed over an undefeated BSC team. And an undefeated BSC team will get the #2 seed over a 2 loss DSU. And a 2 loss DSU will ALWAYS get the nod over a 2 loss BSC team (can only be Davis or UM this year).

Seedings are REALLY predictable and its REALLY rare to see them vary from some really basic rules.

And MSU has universally been treated far more generously by the seeding committee than most any other team in the FCS.

People need to get a grip and remember what actually happened in 2022.

The Cats were 10-1 in 2022 with its only loss to FBS Oregon State. Not 10-2 like you stated above. And No it wasn't just Bobcat fans who felt that MSU got hosed on the seeding in 2022. Several of the unbiased FCS media people and podcasters, for example Hack City, said that MSU got screwed being placed below ndsu after blowing out a highly ranked griz team and going undefeated vs the FCS.
You're welcome to your opinion but you're in the minority. There is no persecution complex, its not that hard to look at the resumes and conclude that MSU deserved to be seeded above ndsu that year.

This. If Sac St lost their final game to UC Davis not only would the Cats have gotten the 3, I think they would have gotten the 2 in place of the Hornets because the committee would still have gotten the desired result. The xDSUs on the opposite sides of the bracket. There was no way they could put a 2 loss NDSU above undefeated Sac and SDSU was the clear number 1 so they had to screw over MSU so that the Bison were the 3 instead of the 4 and not get a Marker rematch in the semis.
Jamie Williams who has a vote said as the bracket went live that the Cats got absolutely screwed, Herder said as much also and coach Vigen was livid. This isn't just a Cats fan misremembering or persecution thing. It was a screw job.

FCS Fans Nation podcast from that day (skip to the 20 min mark)
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/t ... 0586878561

Yep, onceacat is dead wrong on this one, these last two posts speak the truth. Sorry onceacat. Not piling on you here, mistakes happen!!

These guys also said that Sac State got screwed by getting seeded below SDSU. I'm gonna take them with a big grain of salt.