Short-Life Post - #2 or #3 in Stats Poll Come Monday?

[WalkOn79]

I said this in another thread, but there’s no way an undefeated BSC champ with an FBS win wouldn’t be a 1 or 2 seed in ANY remaining scenario, or in ANY year. The #2 MVFC team would almost certainly have at least on FCS loss, and no other conference comes close to matching the Big Sky.

[Catprint]

NDSU has a good path to win out. They clearly will get #1 seed. SDSU has a more difficult path having to play UND, USD and MOST. All of those games are difficult.

I think the cats will remain at #3 and that is fine. If both NDSU and SDSU win out from here they should be #1 and #2 but I think that is highly unlikely. If the cats win out the regular season there is a great chance they will be #1 or #2.

Why should a team that can finish 9-1 at best against the FCS be top 2 seeded if there is a 12-0 BSC team? If they weren't named SDSU would you say the same?

I agree with bleeding. The Cats should be #2. I just don’t get why what a team did last year (SDSU as defending champion) should influence the poll standings two thirds through the season. Jacks have two loses. Cats have none. Cats have dominated every FCS opponent. And it does matter because poll standing is one of the authorized factors the committee can use in their evaluation. But I am concerned that lots of voters don’t pay much attention and have a huge bias to the DSU’s.

[seataccat]

NDSU has a good path to win out. They clearly will get #1 seed. SDSU has a more difficult path having to play UND, USD and MOST. All of those games are difficult.

I think the cats will remain at #3 and that is fine. If both NDSU and SDSU win out from here they should be #1 and #2 but I think that is highly unlikely. If the cats win out the regular season there is a great chance they will be #1 or #2.

Why should a team that can finish 9-1 at best against the FCS be top 2 seeded if there is a 12-0 BSC team? If they weren't named SDSU would you say the same?

I would look at their body of work and judge it comparitively.

[BleedingBLue]

NDSU has a good path to win out. They clearly will get #1 seed. SDSU has a more difficult path having to play UND, USD and MOST. All of those games are difficult.

I think the cats will remain at #3 and that is fine. If both NDSU and SDSU win out from here they should be #1 and #2 but I think that is highly unlikely. If the cats win out the regular season there is a great chance they will be #1 or #2.

Why should a team that can finish 9-1 at best against the FCS be top 2 seeded if there is a 12-0 BSC team? If they weren't named SDSU would you say the same?

I would look at their body of work and judge it comparitively.

How can you possibly judge a body of work with 3 fewer DI wins (assuming we win out) and a FCS loss and say it's anywhere comparable to a team that would be 12-0 with an FBS win and 3, possibly 4 ranked wins at seasons end? SDSU has 1 now ranked win, as do we. They only have a shot at 2 more + a quality win over MO State who isn't eligible to br ranked.

[Prodigal Cat]

In another thread but Oct 30 confirmed.

[seataccat]

NDSU has a good path to win out. They clearly will get #1 seed. SDSU has a more difficult path having to play UND, USD and MOST. All of those games are difficult.

I think the cats will remain at #3 and that is fine. If both NDSU and SDSU win out from here they should be #1 and #2 but I think that is highly unlikely. If the cats win out the regular season there is a great chance they will be #1 or #2.

Why should a team that can finish 9-1 at best against the FCS be top 2 seeded if there is a 12-0 BSC team? If they weren't named SDSU would you say the same?

I would look at their body of work and judge it comparitively.

How can you possibly judge a body of work with 3 fewer DI wins (assuming we win out) and a FCS loss and say it's anywhere comparable to a team that would be 12-0 with an FBS win and 3, possibly 4 ranked wins at seasons end? SDSU has 1 now ranked win, as do we. They only have a shot at 2 more + a quality win over MO State who isn't eligible to br ranked.

I would judge it just like every coach and sports writer does. SOS and common opponents. It would suck for the cats if that were to happen. I'd be willing to bet anyone as much as they want to lose that all three teams are not going to win out this year. It will work out.

[msuhunter]

I think unfortunately even if the cats win out, along with the Dakota schools, the cats are a 3 seed in the eyes of the committee until they prove they can beat the DSU’s on the road. May not be right but is what it is.

[BleedingBLue]

NDSU has a good path to win out. They clearly will get #1 seed. SDSU has a more difficult path having to play UND, USD and MOST. All of those games are difficult.

I think the cats will remain at #3 and that is fine. If both NDSU and SDSU win out from here they should be #1 and #2 but I think that is highly unlikely. If the cats win out the regular season there is a great chance they will be #1 or #2.

Why should a team that can finish 9-1 at best against the FCS be top 2 seeded if there is a 12-0 BSC team? If they weren't named SDSU would you say the same?

I would look at their body of work and judge it comparitively.

How can you possibly judge a body of work with 3 fewer DI wins (assuming we win out) and a FCS loss and say it's anywhere comparable to a team that would be 12-0 with an FBS win and 3, possibly 4 ranked wins at seasons end? SDSU has 1 now ranked win, as do we. They only have a shot at 2 more + a quality win over MO State who isn't eligible to br ranked.

I would judge it just like every coach and sports writer does. SOS and common opponents. It would suck for the cats if that were to happen. I'd be willing to bet anyone as much as they want to lose that all three teams are not going to win out this year. It will work out.

SOS is something that comes into play when there are 3 teams with similar records and similar wins. That wouldn't be the case. Also, no common opponents, so not sure how you'd be judging that either. BSC and MVFC teams - 12-0, all DI wins with an FBS win trumps 9-1 against the FCS all day long. We can keep going in circles about it, but there is no argument that would support SDSU being seeded above the Cats in that situation.

[seataccat]

NDSU has a good path to win out. They clearly will get #1 seed. SDSU has a more difficult path having to play UND, USD and MOST. All of those games are difficult.

I think the cats will remain at #3 and that is fine. If both NDSU and SDSU win out from here they should be #1 and #2 but I think that is highly unlikely. If the cats win out the regular season there is a great chance they will be #1 or #2.

Why should a team that can finish 9-1 at best against the FCS be top 2 seeded if there is a 12-0 BSC team? If they weren't named SDSU would you say the same?

I would look at their body of work and judge it comparitively.

How can you possibly judge a body of work with 3 fewer DI wins (assuming we win out) and a FCS loss and say it's anywhere comparable to a team that would be 12-0 with an FBS win and 3, possibly 4 ranked wins at seasons end? SDSU has 1 now ranked win, as do we. They only have a shot at 2 more + a quality win over MO State who isn't eligible to br ranked.

I would judge it just like every coach and sports writer does. SOS and common opponents. It would suck for the cats if that were to happen. I'd be willing to bet anyone as much as they want to lose that all three teams are not going to win out this year. It will work out.

SOS is something that comes into play when there are 3 teams with similar records and similar wins. That wouldn't be the case. Also, no common opponents, so not sure how you'd be judging that either. BSC and MVFC teams - 12-0, all DI wins with an FBS win trumps 9-1 against the FCS all day long. We can keep going in circles about it, but there is no argument that would support SDSU being seeded above the Cats in that situation.

Seems like you have it dialed in. If it's that black and white I'm not sure why there is even a question, we can all just relax and know that we have #1 or #2 seed wrapped up. Thanks for that.

[catatac]

NDSU has a good path to win out. They clearly will get #1 seed. SDSU has a more difficult path having to play UND, USD and MOST. All of those games are difficult.

I think the cats will remain at #3 and that is fine. If both NDSU and SDSU win out from here they should be #1 and #2 but I think that is highly unlikely. If the cats win out the regular season there is a great chance they will be #1 or #2.

Why should a team that can finish 9-1 at best against the FCS be top 2 seeded if there is a 12-0 BSC team? If they weren't named SDSU would you say the same?

I would look at their body of work and judge it comparitively.

How can you possibly judge a body of work with 3 fewer DI wins (assuming we win out) and a FCS loss and say it's anywhere comparable to a team that would be 12-0 with an FBS win and 3, possibly 4 ranked wins at seasons end? SDSU has 1 now ranked win, as do we. They only have a shot at 2 more + a quality win over MO State who isn't eligible to br ranked.

I would judge it just like every coach and sports writer does. SOS and common opponents. It would suck for the cats if that were to happen. I'd be willing to bet anyone as much as they want to lose that all three teams are not going to win out this year. It will work out.

SOS is something that comes into play when there are 3 teams with similar records and similar wins. That wouldn't be the case. Also, no common opponents, so not sure how you'd be judging that either. BSC and MVFC teams - 12-0, all DI wins with an FBS win trumps 9-1 against the FCS all day long. We can keep going in circles about it, but there is no argument that would support SDSU being seeded above the Cats in that situation.

Seems like you have it dialed in. If it's that black and white I'm not sure why there is even a question, we can all just relax and know that we have #1 or #2 seed wrapped up. Thanks for that.

Yep, and it's surprising to me that there are people that think there's still a chance a 12-0 Cat team could get seeded below both DSU teams. Colter - if you're following this can you weigh in? I just don't think it's possible but if you say it's even a possibility - then I'll quit banging that drum.

[doebrmnn]

If Cats win out and NDSU wins out Cats are guaranteed 2nd seed. It sets up SDSU at MSU for semi final with winner playing NDSU (assuming they win) in the championship. Either SDSU rematch or MVFC v. Bigsky.

[seataccat]

NDSU has a good path to win out. They clearly will get #1 seed. SDSU has a more difficult path having to play UND, USD and MOST. All of those games are difficult.

I think the cats will remain at #3 and that is fine. If both NDSU and SDSU win out from here they should be #1 and #2 but I think that is highly unlikely. If the cats win out the regular season there is a great chance they will be #1 or #2.

Why should a team that can finish 9-1 at best against the FCS be top 2 seeded if there is a 12-0 BSC team? If they weren't named SDSU would you say the same?

I would look at their body of work and judge it comparitively.

How can you possibly judge a body of work with 3 fewer DI wins (assuming we win out) and a FCS loss and say it's anywhere comparable to a team that would be 12-0 with an FBS win and 3, possibly 4 ranked wins at seasons end? SDSU has 1 now ranked win, as do we. They only have a shot at 2 more + a quality win over MO State who isn't eligible to br ranked.

I would judge it just like every coach and sports writer does. SOS and common opponents. It would suck for the cats if that were to happen. I'd be willing to bet anyone as much as they want to lose that all three teams are not going to win out this year. It will work out.

SOS is something that comes into play when there are 3 teams with similar records and similar wins. That wouldn't be the case. Also, no common opponents, so not sure how you'd be judging that either. BSC and MVFC teams - 12-0, all DI wins with an FBS win trumps 9-1 against the FCS all day long. We can keep going in circles about it, but there is no argument that would support SDSU being seeded above the Cats in that situation.

Seems like you have it dialed in. If it's that black and white I'm not sure why there is even a question, we can all just relax and know that we have #1 or #2 seed wrapped up. Thanks for that.

Yep, and it's surprising to me that there are people that think there's still a chance a 12-0 Cat team could get seeded below both DSU teams. Colter - if you're following this can you weigh in? I just don't think it's possible but if you say it's even a possibility - then I'll quit banging that drum.

It's a bit surprising to me that people here can predict what the selection committee will do with that much certainly. Glad someone in the know could set us all straight.

[BleedingBLue]

NDSU has a good path to win out. They clearly will get #1 seed. SDSU has a more difficult path having to play UND, USD and MOST. All of those games are difficult.

I think the cats will remain at #3 and that is fine. If both NDSU and SDSU win out from here they should be #1 and #2 but I think that is highly unlikely. If the cats win out the regular season there is a great chance they will be #1 or #2.

Why should a team that can finish 9-1 at best against the FCS be top 2 seeded if there is a 12-0 BSC team? If they weren't named SDSU would you say the same?

I would look at their body of work and judge it comparitively.

How can you possibly judge a body of work with 3 fewer DI wins (assuming we win out) and a FCS loss and say it's anywhere comparable to a team that would be 12-0 with an FBS win and 3, possibly 4 ranked wins at seasons end? SDSU has 1 now ranked win, as do we. They only have a shot at 2 more + a quality win over MO State who isn't eligible to br ranked.

I would judge it just like every coach and sports writer does. SOS and common opponents. It would suck for the cats if that were to happen. I'd be willing to bet anyone as much as they want to lose that all three teams are not going to win out this year. It will work out.

SOS is something that comes into play when there are 3 teams with similar records and similar wins. That wouldn't be the case. Also, no common opponents, so not sure how you'd be judging that either. BSC and MVFC teams - 12-0, all DI wins with an FBS win trumps 9-1 against the FCS all day long. We can keep going in circles about it, but there is no argument that would support SDSU being seeded above the Cats in that situation.

Seems like you have it dialed in. If it's that black and white I'm not sure why there is even a question, we can all just relax and know that we have #1 or #2 seed wrapped up. Thanks for that.

Yep, and it's surprising to me that there are people that think there's still a chance a 12-0 Cat team could get seeded below both DSU teams. Colter - if you're following this can you weigh in? I just don't think it's possible but if you say it's even a possibility - then I'll quit banging that drum.

It's a bit surprising to me that people here can predict what the selection committee will do with that much certainly. Glad someone in the know could set us all straight.

It only takes a little research to see what the committee does. Last year for instance UM got the 2 seed at 10-1 with a DII win. They won the conference and had 4 ranked wins. USD got the 3 seed. Only losses were to SDSU and FBS Mizzou. They had 4 ranked wins. UM got the 2 seed despite a bad loss to NAU because they were conference champs, even with a slightly lower SOS. Both teams had identical FCS records.

[BleedingBLue]

Stan Becton who had the Cats at #3 now has them at #2.

https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/arti ... fcs-top-25

[kwcat]

https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/arti ... fcs-top-25
Oops. Double post

[MSU01]

Stan Becton who had the Cats at #3 now has them at #2.

https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/arti ... fcs-top-25

Becton had MSU at #1 all year until NDSU beat UND, when he moved NDSU up using the rationale that UND was much better than anyone in the FCS that MSU had beaten at the time. His rankings last week were exactly the same as this week, #1 NDSU #2 MSU #3 SDSU. The format of the article is a little weird but "Where I Ranked Them" shows his previous week's rank.

I'm interested to see Sam Herder's Top 25 ballot but he didn't post it today like he usually does. He must still be recovering from last night!

[Prodigal Cat]

[Monymony]

I mean SDSU did play the now #1 team very close at the Fargo Dome. I could understand how voters could put them at 2. I honestly don’t know if the cats could play NDSU that close at the dome.

[Bobcat4Ever]

I mean SDSU did play the now #1 team very close at the Fargo Dome. I could understand how voters could put them at 2. I honestly don’t know if the cats could play NDSU that close at the dome.

I think the ‘Cats can. After watching the entire bison bunny game I believe we have the best offense of the three. South Dakota St is missing the guys that went to the NFL. NDSU doesn’t perhaps have the stable of running backs they once did. I think the ‘Cat offense is solider across the board. No glaring weaknesses. Defense — none of the three give up points. Hard to tell how that goes. I think these are three very evenly matched teams. I don’t expect us to jump SDSU but had they won we may have jumped NDSU. Probably going to stay 1-2-3 until somebody blinks with a lesser team. If they don’t the committee will have to look at the body of work — and I think if the ‘Cats present a 12-0 record with FBS win that they will get one of the top two spots. They need to keep the pedal down.

[BleedingBLue]

Sam has the Cats #2

https://herosports.com/fcs-top-25-sam-h ... 2024-bzbz/