Weekly poll

[grizzh8r]

If MSU ends up 12-0, the committee is gonna have a choice to make.

Their choice will be two 2-loss MVFC teams before MSU. Not trying to be a downer, that's just my prediction.

2 loss? No. If the winner of the Marker loses a second game somewhere else a 12-0 Cats will be the #1 unquestionably. If the winner wins out to be 11-1 they will be the #1 and the Cats will be the #2.

They both already have losses, FBS losses but still. I agree 100% with your post, and it amazes me that people still think the committee could somehow put a 12-0 MSU team behind a 10-2 DSU team, when the Cats would have an FBS win and at least three likely top 10-15 wins on the resume. Not happening. I mean sure, they COULD do that but there would be lawsuits and stuff.

A 2-loss MVFC team is NEVER NEVER NEVER going to get a seed higher than an undefeated Big Sky team. Never. Cat fans have this really bizarre counterfactual narrative about 2022 that because a 9-2 NDSU got the 3 seed above a 10-2 MSU team...that somehow an undefeated BSC team would also drop to #3.

Cat fans with their persecution complex conveniently forget that an undefeated Sac State team got the #2 seed over the 2 loss NDSU...and NDSU with its 3 point loss on the road to SDSU & a 2 point loss to FBS Arizona got the nod over MSU with its beatdown in Corvallis.

The committee 100% got it 100% correct in 2022 and they will follow the EXACT same logic in 2024.

A 1 loss DSU will get the #1 seed over an undefeated BSC team. And an undefeated BSC team will get the #2 seed over a 2 loss DSU. And a 2 loss DSU will ALWAYS get the nod over a 2 loss BSC team (can only be Davis or UM this year).

Seedings are REALLY predictable and its REALLY rare to see them vary from some really basic rules.

And MSU has universally been treated far more generously by the seeding committee than most any other team in the FCS.

People need to get a grip and remember what actually happened in 2022.

The Cats were 10-1 in 2022 with its only loss to FBS Oregon State. Not 10-2 like you stated above. And No it wasn't just Bobcat fans who felt that MSU got hosed on the seeding in 2022. Several of the unbiased FCS media people and podcasters, for example Hack City, said that MSU got screwed being placed below ndsu after blowing out a highly ranked griz team and going undefeated vs the FCS.
You're welcome to your opinion but you're in the minority. There is no persecution complex, its not that hard to look at the resumes and conclude that MSU deserved to be seeded above ndsu that year.

This. If Sac St lost their final game to UC Davis not only would the Cats have gotten the 3, I think they would have gotten the 2 in place of the Hornets because the committee would still have gotten the desired result. The xDSUs on the opposite sides of the bracket. There was no way they could put a 2 loss NDSU above undefeated Sac and SDSU was the clear number 1 so they had to screw over MSU so that the Bison were the 3 instead of the 4 and not get a Marker rematch in the semis.
Jamie Williams who has a vote said as the bracket went live that the Cats got absolutely screwed, Herder said as much also and coach Vigen was livid. This isn't just a Cats fan misremembering or persecution thing. It was a screw job.

FCS Fans Nation podcast from that day (skip to the 20 min mark)
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/t ... 0586878561

Yep, onceacat is dead wrong on this one, these last two posts speak the truth. Sorry onceacat. Not piling on you here, mistakes happen!!

Reasonable people can make a solid case that MSU should have been the #3.

And, 100%, the committee was trying to keep both the DSUs AND the 2 Big Sky co-champs on opposite sides of the brackets.

But it's not even remotely close to a concept of a 'screw' job, because theres ZERO difference between a #4 seed and a #3 seed. Unless you think that the #2 seed is somehow significantly worse than the #1 seed, in which case it's really the #3 seed that got the screw job.

Putting the Cats as #3 or as #4 was totally justifiable, and only 'screwed' the Cats becsuse the Cats laid a total egg in Brookings. It's not the committees fault that the Cats showed unprepared and uninterested in playing that game.

As it pertains to the whole discussion: An undefeated Big Sky team IS NOT going to drop below a 2 loss DSU school. And even if you think the Cats deserved the #3 seed (reasonable, but far from obvious), the results of 2022 PROVE that the committee will not put a 2 loss DSU team above an undefeated Big Sky team.

I take umbrage with this statement. It's one thing to say MSU didn't play well in that game ( they didn't, for a number of reasons). It's another to say they were uninterested in playing it, as that's simply not true.

[St George]

This Saturday we need one of the DSU teams to knock the snot off the doorknob of the other. Right after they slaughter each other.

[catatac]

If MSU ends up 12-0, the committee is gonna have a choice to make.

Their choice will be two 2-loss MVFC teams before MSU. Not trying to be a downer, that's just my prediction.

2 loss? No. If the winner of the Marker loses a second game somewhere else a 12-0 Cats will be the #1 unquestionably. If the winner wins out to be 11-1 they will be the #1 and the Cats will be the #2.

They both already have losses, FBS losses but still. I agree 100% with your post, and it amazes me that people still think the committee could somehow put a 12-0 MSU team behind a 10-2 DSU team, when the Cats would have an FBS win and at least three likely top 10-15 wins on the resume. Not happening. I mean sure, they COULD do that but there would be lawsuits and stuff.

A 2-loss MVFC team is NEVER NEVER NEVER going to get a seed higher than an undefeated Big Sky team. Never. Cat fans have this really bizarre counterfactual narrative about 2022 that because a 9-2 NDSU got the 3 seed above a 10-2 MSU team...that somehow an undefeated BSC team would also drop to #3.

Cat fans with their persecution complex conveniently forget that an undefeated Sac State team got the #2 seed over the 2 loss NDSU...and NDSU with its 3 point loss on the road to SDSU & a 2 point loss to FBS Arizona got the nod over MSU with its beatdown in Corvallis.

The committee 100% got it 100% correct in 2022 and they will follow the EXACT same logic in 2024.

A 1 loss DSU will get the #1 seed over an undefeated BSC team. And an undefeated BSC team will get the #2 seed over a 2 loss DSU. And a 2 loss DSU will ALWAYS get the nod over a 2 loss BSC team (can only be Davis or UM this year).

Seedings are REALLY predictable and its REALLY rare to see them vary from some really basic rules.

And MSU has universally been treated far more generously by the seeding committee than most any other team in the FCS.

People need to get a grip and remember what actually happened in 2022.

The Cats were 10-1 in 2022 with its only loss to FBS Oregon State. Not 10-2 like you stated above. And No it wasn't just Bobcat fans who felt that MSU got hosed on the seeding in 2022. Several of the unbiased FCS media people and podcasters, for example Hack City, said that MSU got screwed being placed below ndsu after blowing out a highly ranked griz team and going undefeated vs the FCS.
You're welcome to your opinion but you're in the minority. There is no persecution complex, its not that hard to look at the resumes and conclude that MSU deserved to be seeded above ndsu that year.

This. If Sac St lost their final game to UC Davis not only would the Cats have gotten the 3, I think they would have gotten the 2 in place of the Hornets because the committee would still have gotten the desired result. The xDSUs on the opposite sides of the bracket. There was no way they could put a 2 loss NDSU above undefeated Sac and SDSU was the clear number 1 so they had to screw over MSU so that the Bison were the 3 instead of the 4 and not get a Marker rematch in the semis.
Jamie Williams who has a vote said as the bracket went live that the Cats got absolutely screwed, Herder said as much also and coach Vigen was livid. This isn't just a Cats fan misremembering or persecution thing. It was a screw job.

FCS Fans Nation podcast from that day (skip to the 20 min mark)
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/t ... 0586878561

Yep, onceacat is dead wrong on this one, these last two posts speak the truth. Sorry onceacat. Not piling on you here, mistakes happen!!

Reasonable people can make a solid case that MSU should have been the #3.

And, 100%, the committee was trying to keep both the DSUs AND the 2 Big Sky co-champs on opposite sides of the brackets.

But it's not even remotely close to a concept of a 'screw' job, because theres ZERO difference between a #4 seed and a #3 seed. Unless you think that the #2 seed is somehow significantly worse than the #1 seed, in which case it's really the #3 seed that got the screw job.

Putting the Cats as #3 or as #4 was totally justifiable, and only 'screwed' the Cats becsuse the Cats laid a total egg in Brookings. It's not the committees fault that the Cats showed unprepared and uninterested in playing that game.

As it pertains to the whole discussion: An undefeated Big Sky team IS NOT going to drop below a 2 loss DSU school. And even if you think the Cats deserved the #3 seed (reasonable, but far from obvious), the results of 2022 PROVE that the committee will not put a 2 loss DSU team above an undefeated Big Sky team.

All good here, and you and I 100% agree about the Cat prospects moving forward. Once both DSUs lost their FBS games, I declared that the Cats absolutely controlled their own destiny from there on out in terms of securing AT LEAST the number 2 seed and homefield throughout the playoffs. The fact that some people still believe that the committee would ever put that 12-0 MSU team behind a 10-2 DSU team is astounding. It's not flat out not going to happen, whether there is a huge bias to get NDSU and SDSU in Frisco again or not.

[MSUBRONCO]

https://theanalyst.com/2024/10/stats-pe ... -25-poll-8

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[rivercat]

Just an interesting tidbit. Four of the top five will likely be land grant universities.

[BleedingBLue]

Would you look at that! We even got 16 first place votes despite NDSU beating the #1 team in the country. I'd say we have a solid shot at being #1 going into Cat/Griz if we're 11-0 and Davis stays top 5, even top 10 until we meet them.

[MSUBRONCO]

Would you look at that! We even got 16 first place votes despite NDSU beating the #1 team in the country. I'd say we have a solid shot at being #1 going into Cat/Griz if we're 11-0 and Davis stays top 5, even top 10 until we meet them.

Yeah though was interesting how many we got

[BleedingBLue]

Would you look at that! We even got 16 first place votes despite NDSU beating the #1 team in the country. I'd say we have a solid shot at being #1 going into Cat/Griz if we're 11-0 and Davis stays top 5, even top 10 until we meet them.

Yeah though was interesting how many we got

I was hoping we would hold on to the 8 we had from last week. A nice surprise to get 8 more.

[MSU01]

Wow. Maybe this can put to rest the "everyone is biased in favor of NDSU/SDSU" mentality that seems to have been pretty pervasive around here lately.

[Bocephus]

Wow. Maybe this can put to rest the "everyone is biased in favor of NDSU/SDSU" mentality that seems to have been pretty pervasive around here lately.

Definitely gave me hope, I was very skeptical. Cats still have 2 top 10 matchups left.

[Monymony]

The USD vs SDSU game is going to be huge

[GoCats18]

Anyone else like me and don’t want to be #1 until the last poll comes out on Selection Sunday? I remember when Ash had us at #1 and the Griz kick our asses in our own stadium. That kind of made me a hater of being ranked #1 I guess. Haha!

[BgCATfan]

Anyone else like me and don’t want to be #1 until the last poll comes out on Selection Sunday? I remember when Ash had us at #1 and the Griz kick our asses in our own stadium. That kind of made me a hater of being ranked #1 I guess. Haha!

I was just thinking about that !

[Bobcat Sig]

Anyone else like me and don’t want to be #1 until the last poll comes out on Selection Sunday? I remember when Ash had us at #1 and the Griz kick our asses in our own stadium. That kind of made me a hater of being ranked #1 I guess. Haha!

You're giving me some Monday morning PTSD!

I have vivid memories of that game; bitterly cold, Cats sported an all-blue look, including a never-before-seen blue helmet, and I watched for the first time, the griz seemingly stealing our calls while they masked their own. Rough. And the post-game coping consumption was brutal.

[cats2506]

Would you look at that! We even got 16 first place votes despite NDSU beating the #1 team in the country. I'd say we have a solid shot at being #1 going into Cat/Griz if we're 11-0 and Davis stays top 5, even top 10 until we meet them.

Yeah though was interesting how many we got

I was hoping we would hold on to the 8 we had from last week. A nice surprise to get 8 more.

We had 10 #1 votes last week, gained 6 this week

https://theanalyst.com/na/2024/10/stats ... oll-week-7

[BleedingBLue]

The USD vs SDSU game is going to be huge

I don't think it will. I'd bet USD won't put up more than 13 points. 17+ point win for the Jacks. I'd also bet USD won't have a ranked win at the end of the year.

[The Butcher]

The USD vs SDSU game is going to be huge

I don't think it will. I'd bet USD won't put up more than 13 points. 17+ point win for the Jacks. I'd also bet USD won't have a ranked win at the end of the year.

It's hard to gauge if USD is truly as good as their record suggests based on their schedule so far. They haven't faced any strong opponents, and their only loss was to Wisconsin.

[BleedingBLue]

The USD vs SDSU game is going to be huge

I don't think it will. I'd bet USD won't put up more than 13 points. 17+ point win for the Jacks. I'd also bet USD won't have a ranked win at the end of the year.

It's hard to gauge if USD is truly as good as their record suggests based on their schedule so far. They haven't faced any strong opponents, and their only loss was to Wisconsin.

I agree, but I think last year was a flash in the pan. They still have some good players, but they aren't going to surprise anybody this year. Their offense is strong, and they have a good D, but they aren't top 5 good I don't think. SDSU at home after a tough loss, I'll take the Jacks.

[Monymony]

The USD vs SDSU game is going to be huge

I don't think it will. I'd bet USD won't put up more than 13 points. 17+ point win for the Jacks. I'd also bet USD won't have a ranked win at the end of the year.

It's hard to gauge if USD is truly as good as their record suggests based on their schedule so far. They haven't faced any strong opponents, and their only loss was to Wisconsin.

I agree, but I think last year was a flash in the pan. They still have some good players, but they aren't going to surprise anybody this year. Their offense is strong, and they have a good D, but they aren't top 5 good I don't think. SDSU at home after a tough loss, I'll take the Jacks.

Yeah I don’t know if it will be close but it will demonstrate just how big of a gap there is between the top 3 and everyone else

[Pecos24]

Anyone else like me and don’t want to be #1 until the last poll comes out on Selection Sunday? I remember when Ash had us at #1 and the Griz kick our asses in our own stadium. That kind of made me a hater of being ranked #1 I guess. Haha!

Honestly no…Ash teams always seemed to get weaker as the season wore on. Choate and Vigen both were/are better at developing depth, IMO, and current Bobcat teams, for the most part, tend to get stronger/better as the season goes on.