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[onceacat]

I think what we learned is how important SOS is. You need a tough non-conference schedule to get seeded highly unless you go undefeated.

Most important thing is wins. SOS high with 4 losses doesn't help ask all those teams that schedule 2 FBS games.

It helped USD who had 8 DI wins and 1 ranked win. Didn't have another win one could even consider a quality win.

Then my question would be how their SOS is high if no top teams other than NDSU and SDSU?

That's a damn good question. Northern State (DII), Northern Iowa, Youngstown, Murray State, Indiana State certainly couldn't have helped. I'd guess Wisconsin and the DSUs pushed it up. Pretty wild you win 1 of 3 games that bumped your SOS way up and somehow that makes you top 4.

How is that different than Davis? Two losses to #1/#2 plus FBS...then a win over barely Top 10 Idaho & playoff bubble dUMb. Besides, Davis played 4 games against SSU, Poly, UNCU, and PSU, teams that are a total of 10-36. Plus East Texas A&M (3-8) and Dixie State (1-11).

Total of 6 wins against teams a combined 13-55.

Thats the state of FCS football.

[tetoncat]

I think what we learned is how important SOS is. You need a tough non-conference schedule to get seeded highly unless you go undefeated.

Most important thing is wins. SOS high with 4 losses doesn't help ask all those teams that schedule 2 FBS games.

It helped USD who had 8 DI wins and 1 ranked win. Didn't have another win one could even consider a quality win.

Then my question would be how their SOS is high if no top teams other than NDSU and SDSU?

Becasue playing the #1 and #3 teams in the country, plus a power 5 team in your OOC will do wonders for your SOS. Also, they have a win over playoff team Drake.

Thats a pretty decent schedule in anyones book.

And they have wins over Indiana St, UND, and Youngstown, all of which would be playoff bubble teams if they played in a lesser conference.

Understand your reasoning but Cats have been discounted for low SOS all year with an FBS win, 3 top 10 wins. USD lost 2 of 3 tough games. So if you get a top SOS because of good teams shouldn't you have to win more than you lose. Shoot, Idaho lost to #1 Oregon and #1 MSU plus 5 UCD.

[onceacat]

I think what we learned is how important SOS is. You need a tough non-conference schedule to get seeded highly unless you go undefeated.

Most important thing is wins. SOS high with 4 losses doesn't help ask all those teams that schedule 2 FBS games.

It helped USD who had 8 DI wins and 1 ranked win. Didn't have another win one could even consider a quality win.

LOL, yeah, only one ranked win. Of course, it was the #1 team. And we've been saying all year that theres a BIG gap between the Top 3 and everyone else.

And they finished #4 anyway...knocked off the #1 team and it didn't change their rank at all. Their reward for beating the Bizen is that they get to go to Bozeman.

LOL. The committee did a number on the Yotes.

Even if they were 5 they'd have been coming to Bozeman, but this way they get a 2nd home game.

If USD wasn't ranked in the top 4 or 5 to start the day yesterday, and hadnt atarted the season there, they wouldn't have been the 4 seed. That's my whole problem with their seed. Their position to start the year aided their final seed. Davis' position to start the year (18) hampered their seed. Overall body of work, DI wins, ranked wins, and quality wins meant nothing when deciding between Davis and USD.

You need to learn the phrase "reasonable people can disagree".

I'm sure there are voters & committee members for whom Davis' resume was better than the Yotes. I disagree (because the Yotes beat the #1 team and played a tougher OOC and play in a tougher conference....Yotes win over NDSU is A LOT better than Davis over Idaho...and Yotes #2 win over Drake is similar to Davis's #2 win over the gris) but whatever.

If you swapped them, who cares?

Say it with me: Reasonable people can disagree!

[onceacat]

I think what we learned is how important SOS is. You need a tough non-conference schedule to get seeded highly unless you go undefeated.

Most important thing is wins. SOS high with 4 losses doesn't help ask all those teams that schedule 2 FBS games.

It helped USD who had 8 DI wins and 1 ranked win. Didn't have another win one could even consider a quality win.

Then my question would be how their SOS is high if no top teams other than NDSU and SDSU?

Becasue playing the #1 and #3 teams in the country, plus a power 5 team in your OOC will do wonders for your SOS. Also, they have a win over playoff team Drake.

Thats a pretty decent schedule in anyones book.

And they have wins over Indiana St, UND, and Youngstown, all of which would be playoff bubble teams if they played in a lesser conference.

Understand your reasoning but Cats have been discounted for low SOS all year with an FBS win, 3 top 10 wins. USD lost 2 of 3 tough games. So if you get a top SOS because of good teams shouldn't you have to win more than you lose. Shoot, Idaho lost to #1 Oregon and #1 MSU plus 5 UCD.

MSU only has 2 top 10 wins, not 3.

[BleedingBLue]

I think what we learned is how important SOS is. You need a tough non-conference schedule to get seeded highly unless you go undefeated.

Most important thing is wins. SOS high with 4 losses doesn't help ask all those teams that schedule 2 FBS games.

It helped USD who had 8 DI wins and 1 ranked win. Didn't have another win one could even consider a quality win.

Then my question would be how their SOS is high if no top teams other than NDSU and SDSU?

That's a damn good question. Northern State (DII), Northern Iowa, Youngstown, Murray State, Indiana State certainly couldn't have helped. I'd guess Wisconsin and the DSUs pushed it up. Pretty wild you win 1 of 3 games that bumped your SOS way up and somehow that makes you top 4.

How is that different than Davis? Two losses to #1/#2 plus FBS...then a win over barely Top 10 Idaho & playoff bubble dUMb. Besides, Davis played 4 games against SSU, Poly, UNCU, and PSU, teams that are a total of 10-36. Plus East Texas A&M (3-8) and Dixie State (1-11).

Total of 6 wins against teams a combined 13-55.

Thats the state of FCS football.

2 top 15 wins, 1 top 10 win, plus 10 DI wins, not 8. That's a big difference. SOS was 6 spots different between the two. The Southern Utah win was better than any other win USD has as well. Southern Utah was probably the first team out.

[VimSince03]

We’re better than Idaho, so I’m not bothered. We might not win by 30, but we will win.

Idaho has been awful for the last month.

[BleedingBLue]

I think what we learned is how important SOS is. You need a tough non-conference schedule to get seeded highly unless you go undefeated.

Most important thing is wins. SOS high with 4 losses doesn't help ask all those teams that schedule 2 FBS games.

It helped USD who had 8 DI wins and 1 ranked win. Didn't have another win one could even consider a quality win.

LOL, yeah, only one ranked win. Of course, it was the #1 team. And we've been saying all year that theres a BIG gap between the Top 3 and everyone else.

And they finished #4 anyway...knocked off the #1 team and it didn't change their rank at all. Their reward for beating the Bizen is that they get to go to Bozeman.

LOL. The committee did a number on the Yotes.

Even if they were 5 they'd have been coming to Bozeman, but this way they get a 2nd home game.

If USD wasn't ranked in the top 4 or 5 to start the day yesterday, and hadnt atarted the season there, they wouldn't have been the 4 seed. That's my whole problem with their seed. Their position to start the year aided their final seed. Davis' position to start the year (18) hampered their seed. Overall body of work, DI wins, ranked wins, and quality wins meant nothing when deciding between Davis and USD.

You need to learn the phrase "reasonable people can disagree".

I'm sure there are voters & committee members for whom Davis' resume was better than the Yotes. I disagree (because the Yotes beat the #1 team and played a tougher OOC and play in a tougher conference....Yotes win over NDSU is A LOT better than Davis over Idaho...and Yotes #2 win over Drake is similar to Davis's #2 win over the gris) but whatever.

If you swapped them, who cares?

Say it with me: Reasonable people can disagree!

When did I say we couldn't disagree? Isn't that what we're doing? We clearly are, so what do I need to learn again? We're both arguing our points for the opposite side.

[CodyCat]

It’s awesome and earned that the Cats are #1. But dang does The Juice Squad and Brody need to heal up!!! The Cats should be able to get through Round Two without them. But after that, absolutely need all them.

Also, where was Jared White yesterday?

[CodyCat]

Davis or USD would be a hell of a semifinal!

[onceacat]

I think what we learned is how important SOS is. You need a tough non-conference schedule to get seeded highly unless you go undefeated.

Most important thing is wins. SOS high with 4 losses doesn't help ask all those teams that schedule 2 FBS games.

It helped USD who had 8 DI wins and 1 ranked win. Didn't have another win one could even consider a quality win.

Then my question would be how their SOS is high if no top teams other than NDSU and SDSU?

That's a damn good question. Northern State (DII), Northern Iowa, Youngstown, Murray State, Indiana State certainly couldn't have helped. I'd guess Wisconsin and the DSUs pushed it up. Pretty wild you win 1 of 3 games that bumped your SOS way up and somehow that makes you top 4.

How is that different than Davis? Two losses to #1/#2 plus FBS...then a win over barely Top 10 Idaho & playoff bubble dUMb. Besides, Davis played 4 games against SSU, Poly, UNCU, and PSU, teams that are a total of 10-36. Plus East Texas A&M (3-8) and Dixie State (1-11).

Total of 6 wins against teams a combined 13-55.

Thats the state of FCS football.

2 top 15 wins, 1 top 10 win, plus 10 DI wins, not 8. That's a big difference. SOS was 6 spots different between the two. The Southern Utah win was better than any other win USD has as well. Southern Utah was probably the first team out.

I guess if you don't want to give credit for NDSU being in a totally different league than Idaho & you want to punish USD for PSU cancelling a game, then, again, thats a difference of opinion. I personally would have bumped USD to #3 & dropped NDSU to #4...but, again. Reasonable differences of opinion. I also would have punished Davis a little bit for being so overmatched against MSU. But, whatever. Its really a coin flip in my mind.

Totally different than bias, or one team being screwed, or other such hoo-hah.

[onceacat]

I think what we learned is how important SOS is. You need a tough non-conference schedule to get seeded highly unless you go undefeated.

Most important thing is wins. SOS high with 4 losses doesn't help ask all those teams that schedule 2 FBS games.

It helped USD who had 8 DI wins and 1 ranked win. Didn't have another win one could even consider a quality win.

LOL, yeah, only one ranked win. Of course, it was the #1 team. And we've been saying all year that theres a BIG gap between the Top 3 and everyone else.

And they finished #4 anyway...knocked off the #1 team and it didn't change their rank at all. Their reward for beating the Bizen is that they get to go to Bozeman.

LOL. The committee did a number on the Yotes.

Even if they were 5 they'd have been coming to Bozeman, but this way they get a 2nd home game.

If USD wasn't ranked in the top 4 or 5 to start the day yesterday, and hadnt atarted the season there, they wouldn't have been the 4 seed. That's my whole problem with their seed. Their position to start the year aided their final seed. Davis' position to start the year (18) hampered their seed. Overall body of work, DI wins, ranked wins, and quality wins meant nothing when deciding between Davis and USD.

You need to learn the phrase "reasonable people can disagree".

I'm sure there are voters & committee members for whom Davis' resume was better than the Yotes. I disagree (because the Yotes beat the #1 team and played a tougher OOC and play in a tougher conference....Yotes win over NDSU is A LOT better than Davis over Idaho...and Yotes #2 win over Drake is similar to Davis's #2 win over the gris) but whatever.

If you swapped them, who cares?

Say it with me: Reasonable people can disagree!

When did I say we couldn't disagree? Isn't that what we're doing? We clearly are, so what do I need to learn again? We're both arguing our points for the opposite side.

You made the totally absurd claim that "overall body of work...meant nothing".

Thats laughable. You disagree with a reasonable conclusion. Obviously, body of work meant something, because reasonable people think that USDs overall body of work was better than Davis'.

[BleedingBLue]

I think what we learned is how important SOS is. You need a tough non-conference schedule to get seeded highly unless you go undefeated.

Most important thing is wins. SOS high with 4 losses doesn't help ask all those teams that schedule 2 FBS games.

It helped USD who had 8 DI wins and 1 ranked win. Didn't have another win one could even consider a quality win.

LOL, yeah, only one ranked win. Of course, it was the #1 team. And we've been saying all year that theres a BIG gap between the Top 3 and everyone else.

And they finished #4 anyway...knocked off the #1 team and it didn't change their rank at all. Their reward for beating the Bizen is that they get to go to Bozeman.

LOL. The committee did a number on the Yotes.

Even if they were 5 they'd have been coming to Bozeman, but this way they get a 2nd home game.

If USD wasn't ranked in the top 4 or 5 to start the day yesterday, and hadnt atarted the season there, they wouldn't have been the 4 seed. That's my whole problem with their seed. Their position to start the year aided their final seed. Davis' position to start the year (18) hampered their seed. Overall body of work, DI wins, ranked wins, and quality wins meant nothing when deciding between Davis and USD.

You need to learn the phrase "reasonable people can disagree".

I'm sure there are voters & committee members for whom Davis' resume was better than the Yotes. I disagree (because the Yotes beat the #1 team and played a tougher OOC and play in a tougher conference....Yotes win over NDSU is A LOT better than Davis over Idaho...and Yotes #2 win over Drake is similar to Davis's #2 win over the gris) but whatever.

If you swapped them, who cares?

Say it with me: Reasonable people can disagree!

When did I say we couldn't disagree? Isn't that what we're doing? We clearly are, so what do I need to learn again? We're both arguing our points for the opposite side.

You made the totally absurd claim that "overall body of work...meant nothing".

Thats laughable. You disagree with a reasonable conclusion. Obviously, body of work meant something, because reasonable people think that USDs overall body of work was better than Davis'.

Don't think that's absurd at all. We can argue in circles all day, but USD's "body of work" includes literally one great win. That's not a body of work. If a 7-4 team with no ranked wins beat Oregon next week but had a tough schedule the whole year, them beat #1, do they deserve an FBS playoff spot? No.

[Monymony]

It’s awesome and earned that the Cats are #1. But dang does The Juice Squad and Brody need to heal up!!! The Cats should be able to get through Round Two without them. But after that, absolutely need all them.

Also, where was Jared White yesterday?

Woah where was Jared. I gotta think he leaves after this year and I feel bad for the guy. I believe he was above Scotty when they cam in together but I could be wrong. But Colson Coon is very talented and Henley has a future too.

[Montanabob]

It’s awesome and earned that the Cats are #1. But dang does The Juice Squad and Brody need to heal up!!! The Cats should be able to get through Round Two without them. But after that, absolutely need all them.

Also, where was Jared White yesterday?

Woah where was Jared. I gotta think he leaves after this year and I feel bad for the guy. I believe he was above Scotty when they cam in together but I could be wrong. But Colson Coon is very talented and Henley has a future too.

unfortunately we will lose a few due to depth chart and win a few by next man up exceeding expectations. at least that is what needs to happen to keep winning. i remember we had a wyoming athlete that left for that reason and a qb that opted to go start for MT tech.

[onceacat]

I think what we learned is how important SOS is. You need a tough non-conference schedule to get seeded highly unless you go undefeated.

Most important thing is wins. SOS high with 4 losses doesn't help ask all those teams that schedule 2 FBS games.

It helped USD who had 8 DI wins and 1 ranked win. Didn't have another win one could even consider a quality win.

LOL, yeah, only one ranked win. Of course, it was the #1 team. And we've been saying all year that theres a BIG gap between the Top 3 and everyone else.

And they finished #4 anyway...knocked off the #1 team and it didn't change their rank at all. Their reward for beating the Bizen is that they get to go to Bozeman.

LOL. The committee did a number on the Yotes.

Even if they were 5 they'd have been coming to Bozeman, but this way they get a 2nd home game.

If USD wasn't ranked in the top 4 or 5 to start the day yesterday, and hadnt atarted the season there, they wouldn't have been the 4 seed. That's my whole problem with their seed. Their position to start the year aided their final seed. Davis' position to start the year (18) hampered their seed. Overall body of work, DI wins, ranked wins, and quality wins meant nothing when deciding between Davis and USD.

You need to learn the phrase "reasonable people can disagree".

I'm sure there are voters & committee members for whom Davis' resume was better than the Yotes. I disagree (because the Yotes beat the #1 team and played a tougher OOC and play in a tougher conference....Yotes win over NDSU is A LOT better than Davis over Idaho...and Yotes #2 win over Drake is similar to Davis's #2 win over the gris) but whatever.

If you swapped them, who cares?

Say it with me: Reasonable people can disagree!

When did I say we couldn't disagree? Isn't that what we're doing? We clearly are, so what do I need to learn again? We're both arguing our points for the opposite side.

You made the totally absurd claim that "overall body of work...meant nothing".

Thats laughable. You disagree with a reasonable conclusion. Obviously, body of work meant something, because reasonable people think that USDs overall body of work was better than Davis'.

Don't think that's absurd at all. We can argue in circles all day, but USD's "body of work" includes literally one great win. That's not a body of work. If a 7-4 team with no ranked wins beat Oregon next week but had a tough schedule the whole year, them beat #1, do they deserve an FBS playoff spot? No.

LOL, USD isn't a 7-4 team. It's a 9-2 team in the best (or 2nd best) conference in the country with a close loss in OT vs the #2 team in the country. If a 9-2 SEC team beat Oregon, even without other ranked wins, you would expect that team to be rewarded.

Nobody is suggesting a 7-4 team make the playoffs, although, to make your point: a 7-4 team with zero wins against teams with winning records-to say nothing of ranked teams-DID in fact make the playoffs.

But you are correct: If the situation were totally and completely different & the committee did the things you've invented, then yes, the committee would have done something really egregious.

Of course, they didn't. They gave the #4 team in the country the #4 seed.

CRAZY.

[BelligerentBobcat]

We’re better than Idaho, so I’m not bothered. We might not win by 30, but we will win.

Idaho has been awful for the last month.

Have they? I haven’t paid any attention. Is their QB back?

[MSU01]

We’re better than Idaho, so I’m not bothered. We might not win by 30, but we will win.

Idaho has been awful for the last month.

Have they? I haven’t paid any attention. Is their QB back?

Yes, Jack Layne (the original starter) played against ISU yesterday which was their best game since playing MSU. Other than that they've been eking out close wins against bad teams.

[VimSince03]

We’re better than Idaho, so I’m not bothered. We might not win by 30, but we will win.

Idaho has been awful for the last month.

Have they? I haven’t paid any attention. Is their QB back?

Kind of. Even when he played they have been iffy. I fully believe Richmond will beat them. And if they don't, I like the matchup once again.

[tetoncat]

I think what we learned is how important SOS is. You need a tough non-conference schedule to get seeded highly unless you go undefeated.

Most important thing is wins. SOS high with 4 losses doesn't help ask all those teams that schedule 2 FBS games.

It helped USD who had 8 DI wins and 1 ranked win. Didn't have another win one could even consider a quality win.

Then my question would be how their SOS is high if no top teams other than NDSU and SDSU?

That's a damn good question. Northern State (DII), Northern Iowa, Youngstown, Murray State, Indiana State certainly couldn't have helped. I'd guess Wisconsin and the DSUs pushed it up. Pretty wild you win 1 of 3 games that bumped your SOS way up and somehow that makes you top 4.

How is that different than Davis? Two losses to #1/#2 plus FBS...then a win over barely Top 10 Idaho & playoff bubble dUMb. Besides, Davis played 4 games against SSU, Poly, UNCU, and PSU, teams that are a total of 10-36. Plus East Texas A&M (3-8) and Dixie State (1-11).

Total of 6 wins against teams a combined 13-55.

Thats the state of FCS football.

2 top 15 wins, 1 top 10 win, plus 10 DI wins, not 8. That's a big difference. SOS was 6 spots different between the two. The Southern Utah win was better than any other win USD has as well. Southern Utah was probably the first team out.

I guess if you don't want to give credit for NDSU being in a totally different league than Idaho & you want to punish USD for PSU cancelling a game, then, again, thats a difference of opinion. I personally would have bumped USD to #3 & dropped NDSU to #4...but, again. Reasonable differences of opinion. I also would have punished Davis a little bit for being so overmatched against MSU. But, whatever. Its really a coin flip in my mind.

Totally different than bias, or one team being screwed, or other such hoo-hah.

USD was down 11 with 4 to go. So NDSU dominated the bulk of 2nd half. Many probably just looked at UCD/MSU final.

[onceacat]

I think what we learned is how important SOS is. You need a tough non-conference schedule to get seeded highly unless you go undefeated.

Most important thing is wins. SOS high with 4 losses doesn't help ask all those teams that schedule 2 FBS games.

It helped USD who had 8 DI wins and 1 ranked win. Didn't have another win one could even consider a quality win.

Then my question would be how their SOS is high if no top teams other than NDSU and SDSU?

That's a damn good question. Northern State (DII), Northern Iowa, Youngstown, Murray State, Indiana State certainly couldn't have helped. I'd guess Wisconsin and the DSUs pushed it up. Pretty wild you win 1 of 3 games that bumped your SOS way up and somehow that makes you top 4.

How is that different than Davis? Two losses to #1/#2 plus FBS...then a win over barely Top 10 Idaho & playoff bubble dUMb. Besides, Davis played 4 games against SSU, Poly, UNCU, and PSU, teams that are a total of 10-36. Plus East Texas A&M (3-8) and Dixie State (1-11).

Total of 6 wins against teams a combined 13-55.

Thats the state of FCS football.

2 top 15 wins, 1 top 10 win, plus 10 DI wins, not 8. That's a big difference. SOS was 6 spots different between the two. The Southern Utah win was better than any other win USD has as well. Southern Utah was probably the first team out.

I guess if you don't want to give credit for NDSU being in a totally different league than Idaho & you want to punish USD for PSU cancelling a game, then, again, thats a difference of opinion. I personally would have bumped USD to #3 & dropped NDSU to #4...but, again. Reasonable differences of opinion. I also would have punished Davis a little bit for being so overmatched against MSU. But, whatever. Its really a coin flip in my mind.

Totally different than bias, or one team being screwed, or other such hoo-hah.

USD was down 11 with 4 to go. So NDSU dominated the bulk of 2nd half. Many probably just looked at UCD/MSU final.

I don't know what to say. Going into this weekend, the Stats poll, the Coaches poll, the Massey computer rankings ALL put USD above Davis.

Then USD beat NDSU.

Its hard to call it bias when EVERY DATA POINT suggests that USD is better, then they beat the #1 team.

And people here at BN call it 'bias' that Davis doesn't jump ahead in the polls after that.

It really cracks me up.