Wazzu just lost their HC

[WetBreeches]

Are "transfer" rules also being instituted for coaches?

[coloradocat]

Have you paid attention to what has happened at Idaho since Eck announced he was leaving? So many of their players have entered the portal that I'm not sure Idaho would have enough to field a team right now. Quite a challenge ahead for the Vandals.

This is one major reason why hanging on to BV for at least one more season would be very advantageous for the program. We are all seeing the big uproar over Penn St losing their backup QB before the playoffs. Now that more teams including the big boys are involved in a playoff they will cry louder to the NCAA on the timing and the way this portal crap is handled. I seriously think we will see the portal moved back. Not sure how they will fit that in with the academic side of things but I could see the portal not opening till spring break. That would allow teams replacing coaches to get the new guy in place to recruit in house players and all the Playoffs to be over for awhile and things to settle a bit. Having this happen right now is chaos for a bunch of teams still competing. Before it was just a few big programs and the FCS, now its a bigger group with more power over the NCAA.

I like the idea of only opening the portal after spring break. That way you slow these guys down so that they think twice about leaving and can't complain about not being able to transfer immediately because you aren't restricting their ability to fulfill a year of eligibility. They and their new teams wouldn't have the advantage of spring ball but there should be a downside to transferring. That's not even much of a downside at this point with how extensive summer training is and the ability of staffs to adapt to new players in fall camp. Moving the portal window around is really the only card the NCAA can play at this point since the other restrictions were removed by the courts.

I don't know that it will change, the reason it is where it is, is so that the kids can enroll in the new school and be there for winter conditioning and spring ball, coaches want that to.

If you move it after spring break, they wont be able to enroll until the fall.

I mean, yes, thats exactly the point.

There are a lot more coaches looking to get a new transfer on campus as soon as possible. Fewer teams are concerned about losing a kids before their playoff game. Its just a pure numbers game and something that playoff teams will have to deal with. There are like 250 teams in all of DI, only 36 are playoff teams.

That is a trade off for coaches. If they want to fix the issue of players leaving before end of season they will have to be willing to not have on campus until after spring semester most likely.

Exactly. To me this idea isn't about preventing players from leaving immediately after, or even before, the end of the season. It's about slowing down the transfer movement in general. The end of season rush is just a bonus that can be used as the selling point. In the old days of 5 years ago if you transferred you couldn't even play at all the next season (other than grad transfers). Only getting a partial offseason to get up to speed on your new team is still way better than what it used to be.

[PapaG]

So what I’m reading from some is that coaches can leave whenever, but players are stuck at the school until it’s too late to leave, and it will be enforced schools banding together to enforce these transfer restrictions on stodente who happen to be athletes.

See, I’m the type that says other schools can do that if they want, but my program is going to take good players whenever I can get them and gain an advantage over these classy schools. If they refuse to accept student-athletes who want to enroll for Spring semester, that’s their choice.

What a tremendous recruiting advantage that would be for my school.

[TIrwin24]

Are "transfer" rules also being instituted for coaches?

Exactly. This is what used to be covered in a contract. But now, a contract is basically a worthless write up that carries no legal ramifications except for money-based items.

[RickRund]

Have you paid attention to what has happened at Idaho since Eck announced he was leaving? So many of their players have entered the portal that I'm not sure Idaho would have enough to field a team right now. Quite a challenge ahead for the Vandals.

This is one major reason why hanging on to BV for at least one more season would be very advantageous for the program. We are all seeing the big uproar over Penn St losing their backup QB before the playoffs. Now that more teams including the big boys are involved in a playoff they will cry louder to the NCAA on the timing and the way this portal crap is handled. I seriously think we will see the portal moved back. Not sure how they will fit that in with the academic side of things but I could see the portal not opening till spring break. That would allow teams replacing coaches to get the new guy in place to recruit in house players and all the Playoffs to be over for awhile and things to settle a bit. Having this happen right now is chaos for a bunch of teams still competing. Before it was just a few big programs and the FCS, now its a bigger group with more power over the NCAA.

I like the idea of only opening the portal after spring break. That way you slow these guys down so that they think twice about leaving and can't complain about not being able to transfer immediately because you aren't restricting their ability to fulfill a year of eligibility. They and their new teams wouldn't have the advantage of spring ball but there should be a downside to transferring. That's not even much of a downside at this point with how extensive summer training is and the ability of staffs to adapt to new players in fall camp. Moving the portal window around is really the only card the NCAA can play at this point since the other restrictions were removed by the courts.

I don't know that it will change, the reason it is where it is, is so that the kids can enroll in the new school and be there for winter conditioning and spring ball, coaches want that to.

If you move it after spring break, they wont be able to enroll until the fall.

I mean, yes, thats exactly the point.

Yes, somewhat hinder/discourage transferring without legally hindering their ability to transfer. They can still make money off their name, what does spring practice have to do with that?

How are you going to enforce this? The portal dates are already arbitrary and players would sue anyhow if you move the dates to punish their ability to transfer schools.

The Vanderbilt QB just got a full 5th year of eligibility with the reasoning being a JUCO season doesn’t count now.

So would this mean that I could get 4 years of NEW eligibility to run track/x-country at a 4 year, after participating at a JC in California?

[tetoncat]

So what I’m reading from some is that coaches can leave whenever, but players are stuck at the school until it’s too late to leave, and it will be enforced schools banding together to enforce these transfer restrictions on stodente who happen to be athletes.

See, I’m the type that says other schools can do that if they want, but my program is going to take good players whenever I can get them and gain an advantage over these classy schools. If they refuse to accept student-athletes who want to enroll for Spring semester, that’s their choice.

What a tremendous recruiting advantage that would be for my school.

Why would it be too late to leave if it was spring, and everyone did it. Coach isn't supposed to also be going to school. It's his job. NIL, is Name, Image, Likeness. Players were supposed to get paid for using those things, not for playing. It's a total ****** show now. And it isn't even across all NCAA sports. Other alternative is make them employees, have contract restrictions, buyouts, etc with College and NIL.

[PapaG]

So what I’m reading from some is that coaches can leave whenever, but players are stuck at the school until it’s too late to leave, and it will be enforced schools banding together to enforce these transfer restrictions on stodente who happen to be athletes.

See, I’m the type that says other schools can do that if they want, but my program is going to take good players whenever I can get them and gain an advantage over these classy schools. If they refuse to accept student-athletes who want to enroll for Spring semester, that’s their choice.

What a tremendous recruiting advantage that would be for my school.

Why would it be too late to leave if it was spring, and everyone did it. Coach isn't supposed to also be going to school. It's his job. NIL, is Name, Image, Likeness. Players were supposed to get paid for using those things, not for playing. It's a total ****** show now. And it isn't even across all NCAA sports. Other alternative is make them employees, have contract restrictions, buyouts, etc with College and NIL.

That’s an entire semester of school for these students. Why do you want to limit where they choose to go study based on an arbitrary date on the calendar that works best for you?

[AFCAT]

Beware.

[RKMCMT]

So what I’m reading from some is that coaches can leave whenever, but players are stuck at the school until it’s too late to leave, and it will be enforced schools banding together to enforce these transfer restrictions on stodente who happen to be athletes.

See, I’m the type that says other schools can do that if they want, but my program is going to take good players whenever I can get them and gain an advantage over these classy schools. If they refuse to accept student-athletes who want to enroll for Spring semester, that’s their choice.

What a tremendous recruiting advantage that would be for my school.

I dunno. "Students who happen to be athletes" seems like an argument whose ship has sailed in the NIL era. If something isn't done at some point, college football will soon become more tainted by money than even most/all professional sports.

At least there you have contractual loyalty. Imagine any major professional sports where every player is a perpetual free agent.

[Bocephus]

They need to start running this like the NFL! Salary caps!

[PapaG]

So what I’m reading from some is that coaches can leave whenever, but players are stuck at the school until it’s too late to leave, and it will be enforced schools banding together to enforce these transfer restrictions on stodente who happen to be athletes.

See, I’m the type that says other schools can do that if they want, but my program is going to take good players whenever I can get them and gain an advantage over these classy schools. If they refuse to accept student-athletes who want to enroll for Spring semester, that’s their choice.

What a tremendous recruiting advantage that would be for my school.

I dunno. "Students who happen to be athletes" seems like an argument whose ship has sailed in the NIL era. If something isn't done at some point, college football will soon become more tainted by money than even most/all professional sports.

At least there you have contractual loyalty. Imagine any major professional sports where every player is a perpetual free agent.

Players transferring to or from FCS schools have almost zero shot at making more money in football as a career over getting their degree at the institution of their choice.

I suppose we can all just wish things go back to the olden days, but they aren’t, so if winning football games matters, use everything available to do so. Is it fair MSU and UM can spend more on facilities than most FCS programs? Or should that be limited, too?

The players deserve to be paid for their NIL just as any other student can make money. Those on academic scholarships aren’t limited in what they earn during their time at a university.

[tetoncat]

So what I’m reading from some is that coaches can leave whenever, but players are stuck at the school until it’s too late to leave, and it will be enforced schools banding together to enforce these transfer restrictions on stodente who happen to be athletes.

See, I’m the type that says other schools can do that if they want, but my program is going to take good players whenever I can get them and gain an advantage over these classy schools. If they refuse to accept student-athletes who want to enroll for Spring semester, that’s their choice.

What a tremendous recruiting advantage that would be for my school.

Why would it be too late to leave if it was spring, and everyone did it. Coach isn't supposed to also be going to school. It's his job. NIL, is Name, Image, Likeness. Players were supposed to get paid for using those things, not for playing. It's a total ****** show now. And it isn't even across all NCAA sports. Other alternative is make them employees, have contract restrictions, buyouts, etc with College and NIL.

That’s an entire semester of school for these students. Why do you want to limit where they choose to go study based on an arbitrary date on the calendar that works best for you?

Hahaha haha. So now you want to make it about their education. Your first argument was that they needed to get there for Spring practice. They are typically not leaving for the education unless they graduated and going for masters they would still be able to take classes, on scholarship, and leave after spring. Quot trying to compare them to regular students. They aren't anymore they are getting paid.

[tetoncat]

So what I’m reading from some is that coaches can leave whenever, but players are stuck at the school until it’s too late to leave, and it will be enforced schools banding together to enforce these transfer restrictions on stodente who happen to be athletes.

See, I’m the type that says other schools can do that if they want, but my program is going to take good players whenever I can get them and gain an advantage over these classy schools. If they refuse to accept student-athletes who want to enroll for Spring semester, that’s their choice.

What a tremendous recruiting advantage that would be for my school.

I dunno. "Students who happen to be athletes" seems like an argument whose ship has sailed in the NIL era. If something isn't done at some point, college football will soon become more tainted by money than even most/all professional sports.

At least there you have contractual loyalty. Imagine any major professional sports where every player is a perpetual free agent.

Players transferring to or from FCS schools have almost zero shot at making more money in football as a career over getting their degree at the institution of their choice.

I suppose we can all just wish things go back to the olden days, but they aren’t, so if winning football games matters, use everything available to do so. Is it fair MSU and UM can spend more on facilities than most FCS programs? Or should that be limited, too?

The players deserve to be paid for their NIL just as any other student can make money. Those on academic scholarships aren’t limited in what they earn during their time at a university.

Deserve to be paid vs demand to be paid are 2 different scenarios.

[GoldstoneCat]

So what I’m reading from some is that coaches can leave whenever, but players are stuck at the school until it’s too late to leave, and it will be enforced schools banding together to enforce these transfer restrictions on stodente who happen to be athletes.

See, I’m the type that says other schools can do that if they want, but my program is going to take good players whenever I can get them and gain an advantage over these classy schools. If they refuse to accept student-athletes who want to enroll for Spring semester, that’s their choice.

What a tremendous recruiting advantage that would be for my school.

I dunno. "Students who happen to be athletes" seems like an argument whose ship has sailed in the NIL era. If something isn't done at some point, college football will soon become more tainted by money than even most/all professional sports.

At least there you have contractual loyalty. Imagine any major professional sports where every player is a perpetual free agent.

Players transferring to or from FCS schools have almost zero shot at making more money in football as a career over getting their degree at the institution of their choice.

I suppose we can all just wish things go back to the olden days, but they aren’t, so if winning football games matters, use everything available to do so. Is it fair MSU and UM can spend more on facilities than most FCS programs? Or should that be limited, too?

The players deserve to be paid for their NIL just as any other student can make money. Those on academic scholarships aren’t limited in what they earn during their time at a university.

Deserve to be paid vs demand to be paid are 2 different scenarios.

They've deserved to be paid for a long time. Only got it when they legally "demanded" it.

[tetoncat]

So what I’m reading from some is that coaches can leave whenever, but players are stuck at the school until it’s too late to leave, and it will be enforced schools banding together to enforce these transfer restrictions on stodente who happen to be athletes.

See, I’m the type that says other schools can do that if they want, but my program is going to take good players whenever I can get them and gain an advantage over these classy schools. If they refuse to accept student-athletes who want to enroll for Spring semester, that’s their choice.

What a tremendous recruiting advantage that would be for my school.

I dunno. "Students who happen to be athletes" seems like an argument whose ship has sailed in the NIL era. If something isn't done at some point, college football will soon become more tainted by money than even most/all professional sports.

At least there you have contractual loyalty. Imagine any major professional sports where every player is a perpetual free agent.

Players transferring to or from FCS schools have almost zero shot at making more money in football as a career over getting their degree at the institution of their choice.

I suppose we can all just wish things go back to the olden days, but they aren’t, so if winning football games matters, use everything available to do so. Is it fair MSU and UM can spend more on facilities than most FCS programs? Or should that be limited, too?

The players deserve to be paid for their NIL just as any other student can make money. Those on academic scholarships aren’t limited in what they earn during their time at a university.

Deserve to be paid vs demand to be paid are 2 different scenarios.

They've deserved to be paid for a long time. Only got it when they legally "demanded" it.

I guess. I just think demands of $1 million dollars, stay a year and go to next highest bidder, wash and repeat will be the death off college sports as we know it. Likely outcome will be big boys paying, everyone else getting to true NIL. Value to a business for you to promote them, or college use you to sell merchandise for example. Not arbitrary value before you've ever played a snap.

[oedipuss]

They need to start running this like the NFL! Salary caps!

In the House case settlement there actually is a salary cap of roughly $25 million per athletic department for athletes with an independent regulator overseeing all NIL deals… And I’m sure if Alabama or Texas violates the terms of the settlement- the NCAA will ban Cal Poly indefinitely from the postseason

[GoldstoneCat]

So what I’m reading from some is that coaches can leave whenever, but players are stuck at the school until it’s too late to leave, and it will be enforced schools banding together to enforce these transfer restrictions on stodente who happen to be athletes.

See, I’m the type that says other schools can do that if they want, but my program is going to take good players whenever I can get them and gain an advantage over these classy schools. If they refuse to accept student-athletes who want to enroll for Spring semester, that’s their choice.

What a tremendous recruiting advantage that would be for my school.

I dunno. "Students who happen to be athletes" seems like an argument whose ship has sailed in the NIL era. If something isn't done at some point, college football will soon become more tainted by money than even most/all professional sports.

At least there you have contractual loyalty. Imagine any major professional sports where every player is a perpetual free agent.

Players transferring to or from FCS schools have almost zero shot at making more money in football as a career over getting their degree at the institution of their choice.

I suppose we can all just wish things go back to the olden days, but they aren’t, so if winning football games matters, use everything available to do so. Is it fair MSU and UM can spend more on facilities than most FCS programs? Or should that be limited, too?

The players deserve to be paid for their NIL just as any other student can make money. Those on academic scholarships aren’t limited in what they earn during their time at a university.

Deserve to be paid vs demand to be paid are 2 different scenarios.

They've deserved to be paid for a long time. Only got it when they legally "demanded" it.

I guess. I just think demands of $1 million dollars, stay a year and go to next highest bidder, wash and repeat will be the death off college sports as we know it. Likely outcome will be big boys paying, everyone else getting to true NIL. Value to a business for you to promote them, or college use you to sell merchandise for example. Not arbitrary value before you've ever played a snap.

For sure have been lots of ways this has been mishandled, I think largely because it had to be imposed by court order. Too late now but maybe if the ncaa and the big institutions had been more willing years ago a better system could have been put in place. I like that players are getting a slice but I agree it's both too arbitrary and too slanted to big schools with big donors. Maybe as you say, once the big dogs split off and essentially go pro maybe the rest of us can get to true NIL.

[Colter_Nuanez]

Brooks and I talked about Vigen and why he is staying (for now at least) at Montana State in this episode.

[84CatGrad]

"It’s the Direct TV Bowl…. It’s as if he doesn’t even care about winning the prestigious Direct Tv Bowl. It’s what every coach dreams about."

Maybe, but it's not the Wasabi Fenway.

[BleedingBLue]

Pretty good list.

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1793382/ ... all-coach/