Wazzu just lost their HC

[onceacat]

Have you paid attention to what has happened at Idaho since Eck announced he was leaving? So many of their players have entered the portal that I'm not sure Idaho would have enough to field a team right now. Quite a challenge ahead for the Vandals.

This is one major reason why hanging on to BV for at least one more season would be very advantageous for the program. We are all seeing the big uproar over Penn St losing their backup QB before the playoffs. Now that more teams including the big boys are involved in a playoff they will cry louder to the NCAA on the timing and the way this portal crap is handled. I seriously think we will see the portal moved back. Not sure how they will fit that in with the academic side of things but I could see the portal not opening till spring break. That would allow teams replacing coaches to get the new guy in place to recruit in house players and all the Playoffs to be over for awhile and things to settle a bit. Having this happen right now is chaos for a bunch of teams still competing. Before it was just a few big programs and the FCS, now its a bigger group with more power over the NCAA.

I like the idea of only opening the portal after spring break. That way you slow these guys down so that they think twice about leaving and can't complain about not being able to transfer immediately because you aren't restricting their ability to fulfill a year of eligibility. They and their new teams wouldn't have the advantage of spring ball but there should be a downside to transferring. That's not even much of a downside at this point with how extensive summer training is and the ability of staffs to adapt to new players in fall camp. Moving the portal window around is really the only card the NCAA can play at this point since the other restrictions were removed by the courts.

I don't know that it will change, the reason it is where it is, is so that the kids can enroll in the new school and be there for winter conditioning and spring ball, coaches want that to.

If you move it after spring break, they wont be able to enroll until the fall.

I mean, yes, thats exactly the point.

Yes, somewhat hinder/discourage transferring without legally hindering their ability to transfer. They can still make money off their name, what does spring practice have to do with that?

How are you going to enforce this? The portal dates are already arbitrary and players would sue anyhow if you move the dates to punish their ability to transfer schools.

The Vanderbilt QB just got a full 5th year of eligibility with the reasoning being a JUCO season doesn’t count now.

I could foresee the "portal" window being enforced by schools and not the NCAA. Colleges have enrollment dates and students need to hit those dates to take courses. Which leads to the inevitable situation where one school completely disregards/eliminates enrollment dates so they can poach players whenever...which would also be hilarious on the academic side if kids starting pushing the mid semester/quarter transfer and the chaos that may ensue...although I don't believe students who are on campus strictly for academics will transfer, it would be hilarious.

The Vanderbilt QB currently has an injunction (so no final verdict), but when all the NIL stuff started to hit, I figured it was a matter of time before a player sued to continue playing college football so they could make money. What legal precedence is there for the NCAA to decide a player can't stay in college and continue making money from NIL? The NCAA has largely gotten by with their rules because no one challenged them. Then Ed O'Bannon and company did and the flood gates have opened since because the NCAA really has no legal leg to stand on with their by laws. They got by on social norms and mores. Which then, it would seem to be more of a university decision as to whom/for what length of time they want "students" on campus. What will be interesting, is what happens when a college player goes pro, burns out after 3 or 4 years and then tries to come back to college? What will the fan reception be? Coach reception?

He makes a good argument: The NCAA doesnt count post high school prep academies as a year of eligibility for football players (MSU had one of these guys a couple years back) or junior leagues for hockey.

Theres plenty of leg for the NCAA to stand on, the organization just needs to be consistent.

As far as the portal dates go, it's hard to see a reason why the NCAA can't enforce a no-coaching hires rule and a no-transfer rule during the season. That doesn't interfere with an athletes (I'll drop the student part) right to profit off their name, image, or likeness.

[onceacat]

So what I’m reading from some is that coaches can leave whenever, but players are stuck at the school until it’s too late to leave, and it will be enforced schools banding together to enforce these transfer restrictions on stodente who happen to be athletes.

See, I’m the type that says other schools can do that if they want, but my program is going to take good players whenever I can get them and gain an advantage over these classy schools. If they refuse to accept student-athletes who want to enroll for Spring semester, that’s their choice.

What a tremendous recruiting advantage that would be for my school.

Theres zero reason why the NCAA can't have a blanket prohibition on hiring athletic personnel during the season.

A school could also have a condition on athletic scholarships that students are not allowed to enroll at another school during the athletic season. Both my kids start classes on January 6, same day as the FCS championship...FBS championship game isn't until January 20.

These issues are pretty simple to solve within the bounds of the current rules. It just takes a bit of spine from the NCAA.

[PapaG]

So what I’m reading from some is that coaches can leave whenever, but players are stuck at the school until it’s too late to leave, and it will be enforced schools banding together to enforce these transfer restrictions on stodente who happen to be athletes.

See, I’m the type that says other schools can do that if they want, but my program is going to take good players whenever I can get them and gain an advantage over these classy schools. If they refuse to accept student-athletes who want to enroll for Spring semester, that’s their choice.

What a tremendous recruiting advantage that would be for my school.

Why would it be too late to leave if it was spring, and everyone did it. Coach isn't supposed to also be going to school. It's his job. NIL, is Name, Image, Likeness. Players were supposed to get paid for using those things, not for playing. It's a total ****** show now. And it isn't even across all NCAA sports. Other alternative is make them employees, have contract restrictions, buyouts, etc with College and NIL.

That’s an entire semester of school for these students. Why do you want to limit where they choose to go study based on an arbitrary date on the calendar that works best for you?

Hahaha haha. So now you want to make it about their education. Your first argument was that they needed to get there for Spring practice. They are typically not leaving for the education unless they graduated and going for masters they would still be able to take classes, on scholarship, and leave after spring. Quot trying to compare them to regular students. They aren't anymore they are getting paid.

I didn’t say anything about spring practice. I did say I think they should be able to enroll for Spring semester at their new school.

[PapaG]

So what I’m reading from some is that coaches can leave whenever, but players are stuck at the school until it’s too late to leave, and it will be enforced schools banding together to enforce these transfer restrictions on stodente who happen to be athletes.

See, I’m the type that says other schools can do that if they want, but my program is going to take good players whenever I can get them and gain an advantage over these classy schools. If they refuse to accept student-athletes who want to enroll for Spring semester, that’s their choice.

What a tremendous recruiting advantage that would be for my school.

Theres zero reason why the NCAA can't have a blanket prohibition on hiring athletic personnel during the season.

A school could also have a condition on athletic if omy that students are not allowed to enroll at another school during the athletic season. Both my kids start classes on January 6, same day as the FCS championship...FBS championship game isn't until January 20.

These issues are pretty simple to solve within the bounds of the current rules. It just takes a bit of spine from the NCAA.

Other than having no legal authority to do so? The NCAA also banned paying players. How did that one work out for the organization?

[MSU01]

So what I’m reading from some is that coaches can leave whenever, but players are stuck at the school until it’s too late to leave, and it will be enforced schools banding together to enforce these transfer restrictions on stodente who happen to be athletes.

See, I’m the type that says other schools can do that if they want, but my program is going to take good players whenever I can get them and gain an advantage over these classy schools. If they refuse to accept student-athletes who want to enroll for Spring semester, that’s their choice.

What a tremendous recruiting advantage that would be for my school.

Theres zero reason why the NCAA can't have a blanket prohibition on hiring athletic personnel during the season.

A school could also have a condition on athletic scholarships that students are not allowed to enroll at another school during the athletic season. Both my kids start classes on January 6, same day as the FCS championship...FBS championship game isn't until January 20.

These issues are pretty simple to solve within the bounds of the current rules. It just takes a bit of spine from the NCAA.

A football coach is a university employee. I highly doubt the NCAA is in any position to legally prohibit universities from hiring a new employee at certain times of the year.

[damnyoutuesday]

So what I’m reading from some is that coaches can leave whenever, but players are stuck at the school until it’s too late to leave, and it will be enforced schools banding together to enforce these transfer restrictions on stodente who happen to be athletes.

See, I’m the type that says other schools can do that if they want, but my program is going to take good players whenever I can get them and gain an advantage over these classy schools. If they refuse to accept student-athletes who want to enroll for Spring semester, that’s their choice.

What a tremendous recruiting advantage that would be for my school.

Theres zero reason why the NCAA can't have a blanket prohibition on hiring athletic personnel during the season.

A school could also have a condition on athletic scholarships that students are not allowed to enroll at another school during the athletic season. Both my kids start classes on January 6, same day as the FCS championship...FBS championship game isn't until January 20.

These issues are pretty simple to solve within the bounds of the current rules. It just takes a bit of spine from the NCAA.

A football coach is a university employee. I highly doubt the NCAA is in any position to legally prohibit universities from hiring a new employee at certain times of the year.

The NCAA is a decent lawsuit away from only having the authority to enforce rules during actual games and conduct championships

[tetoncat]

So what I’m reading from some is that coaches can leave whenever, but players are stuck at the school until it’s too late to leave, and it will be enforced schools banding together to enforce these transfer restrictions on stodente who happen to be athletes.

See, I’m the type that says other schools can do that if they want, but my program is going to take good players whenever I can get them and gain an advantage over these classy schools. If they refuse to accept student-athletes who want to enroll for Spring semester, that’s their choice.

What a tremendous recruiting advantage that would be for my school.

Theres zero reason why the NCAA can't have a blanket prohibition on hiring athletic personnel during the season.

A school could also have a condition on athletic scholarships that students are not allowed to enroll at another school during the athletic season. Both my kids start classes on January 6, same day as the FCS championship...FBS championship game isn't until January 20.

These issues are pretty simple to solve within the bounds of the current rules. It just takes a bit of spine from the NCAA.

A football coach is a university employee. I highly doubt the NCAA is in any position to legally prohibit universities from hiring a new employee at certain times of the year.

The NCAA is a decent lawsuit away from only having the authority to enforce rules during actual games and conduct championships

Do no organizations have authority or just NCAA based in their set up. How about MHSA. These are associations made up of members, who set the rules. Everyone always complains about the association but the schools select the leaders, approve bylaws, and vote on rules. They only have themselves to blame

[coloradocat]

So what I’m reading from some is that coaches can leave whenever, but players are stuck at the school until it’s too late to leave, and it will be enforced schools banding together to enforce these transfer restrictions on stodente who happen to be athletes.

See, I’m the type that says other schools can do that if they want, but my program is going to take good players whenever I can get them and gain an advantage over these classy schools. If they refuse to accept student-athletes who want to enroll for Spring semester, that’s their choice.

What a tremendous recruiting advantage that would be for my school.

Why would it be too late to leave if it was spring, and everyone did it. Coach isn't supposed to also be going to school. It's his job. NIL, is Name, Image, Likeness. Players were supposed to get paid for using those things, not for playing. It's a total ****** show now. And it isn't even across all NCAA sports. Other alternative is make them employees, have contract restrictions, buyouts, etc with College and NIL.

That’s an entire semester of school for these students. Why do you want to limit where they choose to go study based on an arbitrary date on the calendar that works best for you?

Hahaha haha. So now you want to make it about their education. Your first argument was that they needed to get there for Spring practice. They are typically not leaving for the education unless they graduated and going for masters they would still be able to take classes, on scholarship, and leave after spring. Quot trying to compare them to regular students. They aren't anymore they are getting paid.

I didn’t say anything about spring practice. I did say I think they should be able to enroll for Spring semester at their new school.

Don't move the goal posts and talk about them being students when academics has nothing to do with the conversation. 99% of them aren't transferring for school. They can start enrolling in the summer or fall and still play the season.

[coloradocat]

Pretty good list.

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1793382/ ... all-coach/

All the candidates sound better than the guy in picture. They should hire one of them.

[WetBreeches]

So what I’m reading from some is that coaches can leave whenever, but players are stuck at the school until it’s too late to leave, and it will be enforced schools banding together to enforce these transfer restrictions on stodente who happen to be athletes.

See, I’m the type that says other schools can do that if they want, but my program is going to take good players whenever I can get them and gain an advantage over these classy schools. If they refuse to accept student-athletes who want to enroll for Spring semester, that’s their choice.

What a tremendous recruiting advantage that would be for my school.

Theres zero reason why the NCAA can't have a blanket prohibition on hiring athletic personnel during the season.

A school could also have a condition on athletic scholarships that students are not allowed to enroll at another school during the athletic season. Both my kids start classes on January 6, same day as the FCS championship...FBS championship game isn't until January 20.

These issues are pretty simple to solve within the bounds of the current rules. It just takes a bit of spine from the NCAA.

A football coach is a university employee. I highly doubt the NCAA is in any position to legally prohibit universities from hiring a new employee at certain times of the year.

The NCAA is a decent lawsuit away from only having the authority to enforce rules during actual games and conduct championships

Do no organizations have authority or just NCAA based in their set up. How about MHSA. These are associations made up of members, who set the rules. Everyone always complains about the association but the schools select the leaders, approve bylaws, and vote on rules. They only have themselves to blame

For the longest time the NCAA operated more as a top down association and the members largely acquiesced. Schools, conferences and players are finally realizing (and being emboldened by court decisions) that they hold the power...not the NCAA president and his cronies. I believe in the next 5 years, the P4 is going to completely sideline the NCAA and create their own "governing" body...and I bet the major television networks find a way to support the conferences in eliminating the NCAA.

[GoCats18]

Turning into a real dumpster fire in Pullman!!!

[Team10]

Turning into a real dumpster fire in Pullman!!!

On the fourth slide it says that more than 20 players have entered the portal. Maybe Mr. Eckert has a friend or two that has entered that might be worth looking at.

[RickRund]

On X they are not very happy regarding the goings on, to say the least.

[onceacat]

So what I’m reading from some is that coaches can leave whenever, but players are stuck at the school until it’s too late to leave, and it will be enforced schools banding together to enforce these transfer restrictions on stodente who happen to be athletes.

See, I’m the type that says other schools can do that if they want, but my program is going to take good players whenever I can get them and gain an advantage over these classy schools. If they refuse to accept student-athletes who want to enroll for Spring semester, that’s their choice.

What a tremendous recruiting advantage that would be for my school.

Theres zero reason why the NCAA can't have a blanket prohibition on hiring athletic personnel during the season.

A school could also have a condition on athletic if omy that students are not allowed to enroll at another school during the athletic season. Both my kids start classes on January 6, same day as the FCS championship...FBS championship game isn't until January 20.

These issues are pretty simple to solve within the bounds of the current rules. It just takes a bit of spine from the NCAA.

Other than having no legal authority to do so? The NCAA also banned paying players. How did that one work out for the organization?

It's very normal for an organization-especially a sports cartel like the NFL, NBA, MLB, etc- to have no trade, no signing periods. I'm not sure what you mean my "no legal authority" but thats clearly not the case.

The NCAA STILL bans paying players-the most you can do is "Full Cost of Attendance". And no one (yet, at least) has suggested otherwise.

Did you miss the day they taught law in law school?

[onceacat]

So what I’m reading from some is that coaches can leave whenever, but players are stuck at the school until it’s too late to leave, and it will be enforced schools banding together to enforce these transfer restrictions on stodente who happen to be athletes.

See, I’m the type that says other schools can do that if they want, but my program is going to take good players whenever I can get them and gain an advantage over these classy schools. If they refuse to accept student-athletes who want to enroll for Spring semester, that’s their choice.

What a tremendous recruiting advantage that would be for my school.

Theres zero reason why the NCAA can't have a blanket prohibition on hiring athletic personnel during the season.

A school could also have a condition on athletic scholarships that students are not allowed to enroll at another school during the athletic season. Both my kids start classes on January 6, same day as the FCS championship...FBS championship game isn't until January 20.

These issues are pretty simple to solve within the bounds of the current rules. It just takes a bit of spine from the NCAA.

A football coach is a university employee. I highly doubt the NCAA is in any position to legally prohibit universities from hiring a new employee at certain times of the year.

All major league sports organizations have restrictions on when they sign players. They all have restrictions on when players may be traded. There is ZERO legal issue with enforcing the same rules on coaches.

ZERO.

[WetBreeches]

So what I’m reading from some is that coaches can leave whenever, but players are stuck at the school until it’s too late to leave, and it will be enforced schools banding together to enforce these transfer restrictions on stodente who happen to be athletes.

See, I’m the type that says other schools can do that if they want, but my program is going to take good players whenever I can get them and gain an advantage over these classy schools. If they refuse to accept student-athletes who want to enroll for Spring semester, that’s their choice.

What a tremendous recruiting advantage that would be for my school.

Theres zero reason why the NCAA can't have a blanket prohibition on hiring athletic personnel during the season.

A school could also have a condition on athletic if omy that students are not allowed to enroll at another school during the athletic season. Both my kids start classes on January 6, same day as the FCS championship...FBS championship game isn't until January 20.

These issues are pretty simple to solve within the bounds of the current rules. It just takes a bit of spine from the NCAA.

Other than having no legal authority to do so? The NCAA also banned paying players. How did that one work out for the organization?

It's very normal for an organization-especially a sports cartel like the NFL, NBA, MLB, etc- to have no trade, no signing periods. I'm not sure what you mean my "no legal authority" but thats clearly not the case.

The NCAA STILL bans paying players-the most you can do is "Full Cost of Attendance". And no one (yet, at least) has suggested otherwise.

Did you miss the day they taught law in law school?

There is one major difference between the NCAA and the professional sports "cartels" you listed...the pro sports commissioners who oversee their sport have to deal with 30 or so owners who largely dictate the direction and rules of the organization. Every once in awhile the owners will disagree on something, but they are all largely rowing in the same direction because at the end of the day they are all making money. NCAA is dealing with 100's of voices...and as I said in another post, the NCAA USED to be able to dictate to those voices under the guise they provided a superior structure for all involved. Now, (some) players, schools and conferences are realizing the NCAA does NOT benefit them and there is no legal basis for its existence. For the longest time the NCAA held the belief that college athletics existed because they (the NCAA) allowed them to exist. All of a sudden, colleges realized they can maximize their football programs (and basketball at certain schools) value by busting free of conference alignments and NCAA rules and the NCAA really can't stop them...because again, the NCAA has no legal standing to tell USC they can't go to the Big 10...or any other school wanting to move...NCAA said "you can't pay student athletes" and gave SMU the death penalty...then someone challenged it in the court of law and the NCAA quickly lost.

Pro sports also operate differently because everything is bargained. The documents that come out of the collective bargaining are legal documents. There is no collective bargaining in college athletics.

[PapaG]

So what I’m reading from some is that coaches can leave whenever, but players are stuck at the school until it’s too late to leave, and it will be enforced schools banding together to enforce these transfer restrictions on stodente who happen to be athletes.

See, I’m the type that says other schools can do that if they want, but my program is going to take good players whenever I can get them and gain an advantage over these classy schools. If they refuse to accept student-athletes who want to enroll for Spring semester, that’s their choice.

What a tremendous recruiting advantage that would be for my school.

Why would it be too late to leave if it was spring, and everyone did it. Coach isn't supposed to also be going to school. It's his job. NIL, is Name, Image, Likeness. Players were supposed to get paid for using those things, not for playing. It's a total ****** show now. And it isn't even across all NCAA sports. Other alternative is make them employees, have contract restrictions, buyouts, etc with College and NIL.

That’s an entire semester of school for these students. Why do you want to limit where they choose to go study based on an arbitrary date on the calendar that works best for you?

Hahaha haha. So now you want to make it about their education. Your first argument was that they needed to get there for Spring practice. They are typically not leaving for the education unless they graduated and going for masters they would still be able to take classes, on scholarship, and leave after spring. Quot trying to compare them to regular students. They aren't anymore they are getting paid.

I didn’t say anything about spring practice. I did say I think they should be able to enroll for Spring semester at their new school.

Don't move the goal posts and talk about them being students when academics has nothing to do with the conversation. 99% of them aren't transferring for school. They can start enrolling in the summer or fall and still play the season.

Are you saying the transfers MSU football accepts aren’t in Bozeman to get their degrees, and therefore should be stuck at the school they are leaving until Fall semester? Sure seems like it.

I didn’t move any “goalposts.” Maybe read what I’ve actually written instead of just making things up before responding next time? After reading your rants for years, I know that’s difficult for you to do, but unlike you, I know a few sons of my friends’ right now who will be done with football the day they play their last season, and their degree is valuable to them.

[onceacat]

So what I’m reading from some is that coaches can leave whenever, but players are stuck at the school until it’s too late to leave, and it will be enforced schools banding together to enforce these transfer restrictions on stodente who happen to be athletes.

See, I’m the type that says other schools can do that if they want, but my program is going to take good players whenever I can get them and gain an advantage over these classy schools. If they refuse to accept student-athletes who want to enroll for Spring semester, that’s their choice.

What a tremendous recruiting advantage that would be for my school.

Theres zero reason why the NCAA can't have a blanket prohibition on hiring athletic personnel during the season.

A school could also have a condition on athletic if omy that students are not allowed to enroll at another school during the athletic season. Both my kids start classes on January 6, same day as the FCS championship...FBS championship game isn't until January 20.

These issues are pretty simple to solve within the bounds of the current rules. It just takes a bit of spine from the NCAA.

Other than having no legal authority to do so? The NCAA also banned paying players. How did that one work out for the organization?

It's very normal for an organization-especially a sports cartel like the NFL, NBA, MLB, etc- to have no trade, no signing periods. I'm not sure what you mean my "no legal authority" but thats clearly not the case.

The NCAA STILL bans paying players-the most you can do is "Full Cost of Attendance". And no one (yet, at least) has suggested otherwise.

Did you miss the day they taught law in law school?

There is one major difference between the NCAA and the professional sports "cartels" you listed...the pro sports commissioners who oversee their sport have to deal with 30 or so owners who largely dictate the direction and rules of the organization. Every once in awhile the owners will disagree on something, but they are all largely rowing in the same direction because at the end of the day they are all making money. NCAA is dealing with 100's of voices...and as I said in another post, the NCAA USED to be able to dictate to those voices under the guise they provided a superior structure for all involved. Now, (some) players, schools and conferences are realizing the NCAA does NOT benefit them and there is no legal basis for its existence. For the longest time the NCAA held the belief that college athletics existed because they (the NCAA) allowed them to exist. All of a sudden, colleges realized they can maximize their football programs (and basketball at certain schools) value by busting free of conference alignments and NCAA rules and the NCAA really can't stop them...because again, the NCAA has no legal standing to tell USC they can't go to the Big 10...or any other school wanting to move...NCAA said "you can't pay student athletes" and gave SMU the death penalty...then someone challenged it in the court of law and the NCAA quickly lost.

Pro sports also operate differently because everything is bargained. The documents that come out of the collective bargaining are legal documents. There is no collective bargaining in college athletics.

Theres so much factually wrong with this its really hard to even process.

Just as one example: "NCAA said' 'you cant pay student athletes'". And thats EXACTLY what happened. (The NCAA also tried to regulate what students did off the field with their Name, Image, and Likeness, which was thrown out by every single court that heard it for obvious reasons...It seems like you are struggling to understand the difference?)

Another: The NCAA gave SMU the death penalty (a full year suspension from competition). Yep, they did. Thats what happened. Not sure why you think it didn't happen. Not only did the NCAA not lose a case on this, SMU chose not to field a team for the year after the suspension.

Another: You don't think the NCAA can enforce conferences like the MHSA does? The NCAA could easily do this, if it had the desire to do so. That the NCAA chooses not to has no bearing on the legal authority to do it.

Also of note: without the NCAA, college athletics DO NOT exist. There could be another organizing body, but just like pro football needs the NCAA and pro basketball needs the NBA and the Olympics need the IOC and World Cup soccer needs FIFA...college football NEEDS the NCAA in order to organize the sport. (Schools could choose to leave the NCAA and organize under the auspices of another organization of course, but SOMEONE needs to organize tournaments, set rules & regulations, and perform all of the administrative tasks that need to happen in order to have a sports season)

Yet again: "There is no collective bargaining in college athletics". Yes, because only employee who are members of a labor union are subject to collective bargaining. College athletes are not employees, which is why they can't be paid. But the NFL has a bunch of rules that are NOT collective bargaining, including some crazy minutia like how many PSI a ball needs to be inflated. And rules on hiring coaches.

Its almost as if you don't understand how literally anything works in the real world.

[onceacat]

So what I’m reading from some is that coaches can leave whenever, but players are stuck at the school until it’s too late to leave, and it will be enforced schools banding together to enforce these transfer restrictions on stodente who happen to be athletes.

See, I’m the type that says other schools can do that if they want, but my program is going to take good players whenever I can get them and gain an advantage over these classy schools. If they refuse to accept student-athletes who want to enroll for Spring semester, that’s their choice.

What a tremendous recruiting advantage that would be for my school.

Why would it be too late to leave if it was spring, and everyone did it. Coach isn't supposed to also be going to school. It's his job. NIL, is Name, Image, Likeness. Players were supposed to get paid for using those things, not for playing. It's a total ****** show now. And it isn't even across all NCAA sports. Other alternative is make them employees, have contract restrictions, buyouts, etc with College and NIL.

That’s an entire semester of school for these students. Why do you want to limit where they choose to go study based on an arbitrary date on the calendar that works best for you?

Hahaha haha. So now you want to make it about their education. Your first argument was that they needed to get there for Spring practice. They are typically not leaving for the education unless they graduated and going for masters they would still be able to take classes, on scholarship, and leave after spring. Quot trying to compare them to regular students. They aren't anymore they are getting paid.

I didn’t say anything about spring practice. I did say I think they should be able to enroll for Spring semester at their new school.

Don't move the goal posts and talk about them being students when academics has nothing to do with the conversation. 99% of them aren't transferring for school. They can start enrolling in the summer or fall and still play the season.

Are you saying the transfers MSU football accepts aren’t in Bozeman to get their degrees, and therefore should be stuck at the school they are leaving until Fall semester? Sure seems like it.

I didn’t move any “goalposts.” Maybe read what I’ve actually written instead of just making things up before responding next time? After reading your rants for years, I know that’s difficult for you to do, but unlike you, I know a few sons of my friends’ right now who will be done with football the day they play their last season, and their degree is valuable to them.

Obviously not. They are free, just like any student, to drop out. Hell, they can even transfer or enroll in a new school if they want to. But I'm not sure why a kid who is on a football scholarship for a season that runs from Fall Camp to January 20 should be allowed to be on a second scholarship in January when they are already contractually obligated for the remainder of the existing season.

What a strange concept that a kid CURRENTLY on scholarship during a season should be able to take a new scholarship before the end of the existing season.

Again, solutions are pretty easy: If a kid doesnt stay on the team through the end of the season (January 20 for football) then the school should have language in the scholarship for a clawback of the schollie. Same goes for coaches-like Eck, or the guy from Wazzu- who choose to leave mid season.

[WetBreeches]

So what I’m reading from some is that coaches can leave whenever, but players are stuck at the school until it’s too late to leave, and it will be enforced schools banding together to enforce these transfer restrictions on stodente who happen to be athletes.

See, I’m the type that says other schools can do that if they want, but my program is going to take good players whenever I can get them and gain an advantage over these classy schools. If they refuse to accept student-athletes who want to enroll for Spring semester, that’s their choice.

What a tremendous recruiting advantage that would be for my school.

Theres zero reason why the NCAA can't have a blanket prohibition on hiring athletic personnel during the season.

A school could also have a condition on athletic if omy that students are not allowed to enroll at another school during the athletic season. Both my kids start classes on January 6, same day as the FCS championship...FBS championship game isn't until January 20.

These issues are pretty simple to solve within the bounds of the current rules. It just takes a bit of spine from the NCAA.

Other than having no legal authority to do so? The NCAA also banned paying players. How did that one work out for the organization?

It's very normal for an organization-especially a sports cartel like the NFL, NBA, MLB, etc- to have no trade, no signing periods. I'm not sure what you mean my "no legal authority" but thats clearly not the case.

The NCAA STILL bans paying players-the most you can do is "Full Cost of Attendance". And no one (yet, at least) has suggested otherwise.

Did you miss the day they taught law in law school?

There is one major difference between the NCAA and the professional sports "cartels" you listed...the pro sports commissioners who oversee their sport have to deal with 30 or so owners who largely dictate the direction and rules of the organization. Every once in awhile the owners will disagree on something, but they are all largely rowing in the same direction because at the end of the day they are all making money. NCAA is dealing with 100's of voices...and as I said in another post, the NCAA USED to be able to dictate to those voices under the guise they provided a superior structure for all involved. Now, (some) players, schools and conferences are realizing the NCAA does NOT benefit them and there is no legal basis for its existence. For the longest time the NCAA held the belief that college athletics existed because they (the NCAA) allowed them to exist. All of a sudden, colleges realized they can maximize their football programs (and basketball at certain schools) value by busting free of conference alignments and NCAA rules and the NCAA really can't stop them...because again, the NCAA has no legal standing to tell USC they can't go to the Big 10...or any other school wanting to move...NCAA said "you can't pay student athletes" and gave SMU the death penalty...then someone challenged it in the court of law and the NCAA quickly lost.

Pro sports also operate differently because everything is bargained. The documents that come out of the collective bargaining are legal documents. There is no collective bargaining in college athletics.

Theres so much factually wrong with this its really hard to even process.

Just as one example: "NCAA said' 'you cant pay student athletes'". And thats EXACTLY what happened. (The NCAA also tried to regulate what students did off the field with their Name, Image, and Likeness, which was thrown out by every single court that heard it for obvious reasons...It seems like you are struggling to understand the difference?)

Another: The NCAA gave SMU the death penalty (a full year suspension from competition). Yep, they did. Thats what happened. Not sure why you think it didn't happen. Not only did the NCAA not lose a case on this, SMU chose not to field a team for the year after the suspension.

Another: You don't think the NCAA can enforce conferences like the MHSA does? The NCAA could easily do this, if it had the desire to do so. That the NCAA chooses not to has no bearing on the legal authority to do it.

Also of note: without the NCAA, college athletics DO NOT exist. There could be another organizing body, but just like pro football needs the NCAA and pro basketball needs the NBA and the Olympics need the IOC and World Cup soccer needs FIFA...college football NEEDS the NCAA in order to organize the sport. (Schools could choose to leave the NCAA and organize under the auspices of another organization of course, but SOMEONE needs to organize tournaments, set rules & regulations, and perform all of the administrative tasks that need to happen in order to have a sports season)

Yet again: "There is no collective bargaining in college athletics". Yes, because only employee who are members of a labor union are subject to collective bargaining. College athletes are not employees, which is why they can't be paid. But the NFL has a bunch of rules that are NOT collective bargaining, including some crazy minutia like how many PSI a ball needs to be inflated. And rules on hiring coaches.

Its almost as if you don't understand how literally anything works in the real world.

Ok... .....

With regards to SMU...I did not do a good job explaining. SMU was given the death penalty for doing things that are currently allowed under NIL. SMU took the penalty because at the time everyone just accepted the NCAA had the authority. This no longer exists.

NCAA cannot enforce conference alignments. The fact they have no legal standing is precisely why they don't.

Won't disagree that without the NCAA, college athletics do not exist. Not sure we "disagree" on this point. There would be some governing body. It just won't be top down dictatorship the NCAA has enjoyed for so long. At this point, in football, we are seeing the P4 (coaches, players, schools) pushing the NCAA aside. NCAA has brought college athletics to this point. But now the big schools are realizing the NCAA is a hinderance to them making money.

I understand how collective bargaining works and who is/isn't involved. The collective bargaining covers your comment about signing periods and trades in pro sports. Rules for hiring coaches in pro sports are largely set by owners...because the collective bargaining is between player union and association.league. The other rules are largely created by owners. Hence the outcry every year when a bunch of new rules come from the owners meetings and the players don't like them.

If you disagree with anything I have said, I would encourage you to actually research the NCAA. It will help you understand further how/why the NCAA is losing so much power. How/why the NCAA seems to lose almost every court case. And how/why the P4 has largely said to hell with the NCAA.

But please...enlighten me again on how I know nothing.