Wazzu just lost their HC

[MSU01]

Just know that there is a very good chance we will be doing this same stuff next year. You have to figure if the right job is out there, he is going to take it. Unless MSU can find a way to pay him and the entire coaching staff more. Now, let’s go win a F******* National Championship!!! GO CATS

Yep every year until he leaves. But every year he stays makes it more likely we can promote Bobby from within and keep it rolling.

This. Every year Vigen sticks around is another year the foundation builds and handles his loss better

Don't wanna jinx anything but - just because Vigen didn't goto wazzu doesn't mean he'll be in Bozeman next fall. We dodged 1 bullet, there will likely be a few others this winter.

Potentially so, although it seems unlikely that there will be much more movement in terms of head coaching jobs coming available. Would Vigen have interest in leaving for a P4 assistant job like Choate did? Maybe, maybe not. Turns out that in the Transfer Portal era, the best way to retain your coach is to keep playing into January and take advantage of the sense of urgency these schools have to get coaches in place ASAP.

Anyway, this Bobcat fan is going to move on for the time being and focus on the upcoming football game for the next 8 days.

Sadly, for MSU coaches it’s outside income that needs to be elevated to keep coaches in Bozeman. Bobby makes more than Vigen, which is not great considering the only reason Hauck isn’t on the hot seat is Junior Bergen. Hauck completely under-utilized #5 this year and thought 33 year-old Ostmo was their guy instead of Gillman.

I have zero doubt that the discrepancy between Hauck's new contract and Vigen's which was signed a year earlier will be taken care of at the first opportunity for an extension to be negotiated. But as long as they stay in the FCS MSU will never be able to compete with what most FBS programs can offer in terms of coaching salaries. It's only a matter of time before Vigen moves up, we just have to trust that the leadership team can make the right hire when the time comes to do so.

[onceacat]

Rough day for SDSU. End of their era I’d say

I agree. Think it was coming regardless. This is Jimmy Rogers taking the best shot he was ever going to get.

Why do you think that?

Stig built that thing for 20 years. Rogers won a title with essentially all Stig's team. The remnants of that team (Gronowski, bock, some of the linemen) carried this year's team. But they lost to NDSU twice and have been caught by SD. They have some decent facilities. Fans showed for the regular season but not the playoffs. Still a good job but I think they're at least 3rd wheel in the valley now for awhile, and it can be hard to climb back once you're there and fall off. Ask hauck.

Rogers recruited a lot of that team too.

Yeah, I think its a bit of a stretch to pretend that Rogers didn't have a lot to do with that team...I mean, he's been at SDSU (except one year) since he graduated from high school 20 years ago.

Hes a lot like Kane Ione or Bobby Daly IMO.

Time will tell. I don't agree. I mean he's a pedigree guy there, agree with that. But I'm not buying him as a big time coach. Just not.

I'm not really saying hes a big time coach...maybe the kind of coach that can get a job at a mid-tier G6 school? I think Vigen has a vastly better resume, which is why I've been arguing that Vigen can afford to hold out for a better job.

Isn't washington state a mid-tier G6 school?

Yes. If a mid tier G6 school is willing to hire a 37 year old with 2 years of HC experience and a couple years as DC/AHC, a guy like Vigen ought to command something more like a lower tier P4 job (like Troy Taylor) or a top tier OC (like Jay Hill).

[Cataholic]

Rough day for SDSU. End of their era I’d say

I agree. Think it was coming regardless. This is Jimmy Rogers taking the best shot he was ever going to get.

Why do you think that?

Stig built that thing for 20 years. Rogers won a title with essentially all Stig's team. The remnants of that team (Gronowski, bock, some of the linemen) carried this year's team. But they lost to NDSU twice and have been caught by SD. They have some decent facilities. Fans showed for the regular season but not the playoffs. Still a good job but I think they're at least 3rd wheel in the valley now for awhile, and it can be hard to climb back once you're there and fall off. Ask hauck.

Rogers recruited a lot of that team too.

Yeah, I think its a bit of a stretch to pretend that Rogers didn't have a lot to do with that team...I mean, he's been at SDSU (except one year) since he graduated from high school 20 years ago.

Hes a lot like Kane Ione or Bobby Daly IMO.

Time will tell. I don't agree. I mean he's a pedigree guy there, agree with that. But I'm not buying him as a big time coach. Just not.

I'm not really saying hes a big time coach...maybe the kind of coach that can get a job at a mid-tier G6 school? I think Vigen has a vastly better resume, which is why I've been arguing that Vigen can afford to hold out for a better job.

Isn't washington state a mid-tier G6 school?

Yes. If a mid tier G6 school is willing to hire a 37 year old with 2 years of HC experience and a couple years as DC/AHC, a guy like Vigen ought to command something more like a lower tier P4 job (like Troy Taylor) or a top tier OC (like Jay Hill).

Here is an article from last year with every FCS to FBS head coaching hires since 2010. You will find that only three hires were to P4 schools: Colorado, Stanford and Kansas State. Kansas State hired a coach who had won 4 national championships in 5 years at NDSU. Every other hire went to a G5 school and NONE were better schools than WSU. And of course the WSU job ended up going to arguably the most accomplished FCS coach in the country right now. There is virtually no data that supports Vigen getting a better job than a PAC 12 job.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/456807 ... s-fbs-fcs/

[BleedingBLue]

Maybe the Jets want Vigen.

[MSU01]

Maybe the Jets want Vigen.

Now there's a job we can ALL agree isn't worth taking no matter how big the pay raise would be.

[catatac]

Will definitely be interesting to see what happens. I could envision Vigen getting like and Oregon Offensive Coordinator job..... which would be a huge pay increase, and would set the path for a HC job at that level. I just hope we keep him for ONE more year, and watch him prove that he can lose Tommy and Brody, and all the other stars off this team, and still keep it rolling all the way to Frisco again.

[GoCats18]

Anyone seen the list of SDSU candidates?

[Prodigal Cat]

Anyone seen the list of SDSU candidates?

Names being bright up are Dan Jackson who is Ecks D coordinator. Was at Idaho and followed to UNM. Some want Stiegelmeier back but that seems unlikely.
Jed Stugart is the Lindenwood coach and actually started as a Defensive coach at UNC.
It sounds like Rodgers is taking almost all his staff so an internal promotion isn’t an option.

[PHAT CAT]

agreed

at the end of the day, Vigen is ours, we will protect him too and call out wazzu.

I have no problem with that. And he can't wait to beat the tires off of you in the NC game.

[MTnative]

agreed

at the end of the day, Vigen is ours, we will protect him too and call out wazzu.

You are the poster boy for just how much of a circle jerk the NDSU fanbase has become.

[onceacat]

I agree. Think it was coming regardless. This is Jimmy Rogers taking the best shot he was ever going to get.

Why do you think that?

Stig built that thing for 20 years. Rogers won a title with essentially all Stig's team. The remnants of that team (Gronowski, bock, some of the linemen) carried this year's team. But they lost to NDSU twice and have been caught by SD. They have some decent facilities. Fans showed for the regular season but not the playoffs. Still a good job but I think they're at least 3rd wheel in the valley now for awhile, and it can be hard to climb back once you're there and fall off. Ask hauck.

Rogers recruited a lot of that team too.

Yeah, I think its a bit of a stretch to pretend that Rogers didn't have a lot to do with that team...I mean, he's been at SDSU (except one year) since he graduated from high school 20 years ago.

Hes a lot like Kane Ione or Bobby Daly IMO.

Time will tell. I don't agree. I mean he's a pedigree guy there, agree with that. But I'm not buying him as a big time coach. Just not.

I'm not really saying hes a big time coach...maybe the kind of coach that can get a job at a mid-tier G6 school? I think Vigen has a vastly better resume, which is why I've been arguing that Vigen can afford to hold out for a better job.

Isn't washington state a mid-tier G6 school?

Yes. If a mid tier G6 school is willing to hire a 37 year old with 2 years of HC experience and a couple years as DC/AHC, a guy like Vigen ought to command something more like a lower tier P4 job (like Troy Taylor) or a top tier OC (like Jay Hill).

Here is an article from last year with every FCS to FBS head coaching hires since 2010. You will find that only three hires were to P4 schools: Colorado, Stanford and Kansas State. Kansas State hired a coach who had won 4 national championships in 5 years at NDSU. Every other hire went to a G5 school and NONE were better schools than WSU. And of course the WSU job ended up going to arguably the most accomplished FCS coach in the country right now. There is virtually no data that supports Vigen getting a better job than a PAC 12 job.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/456807 ... s-fbs-fcs/

Stupid paywall. How many FBS to FCS head coaches total? How many of those had won national championships? How about FCS to good co-ordinator jobs like Jay Hill or sorta Jeff Choate?

[allcat]

agreed

at the end of the day, Vigen is ours, we will protect him too and call out wazzu.

You are the poster boy for just how much of a circle jerk the NDSU fanbase has become.

I've always liked him. He roots for his team, but has always treated us with respect.

[utucats]

I just got some big inside news:

Sounds like Vigen had this job in the bag but he wanted to spend Christmas with his family. WSU couldn’t wait.

[nanacat]

I just got some big inside news:

Sounds like Vigen had this job in the bag but he wanted to spend Christmas with his family. WSU couldn’t wait.

Wait, they wanted him to move before Christmas? That doesn't make any sense.

[cats2506]

agreed

at the end of the day, Vigen is ours, we will protect him too and call out wazzu.

You are the poster boy for just how much of a circle jerk the NDSU fanbase has become.

Lakes has been around forever, all in all NDSU folks are pretty good.

[AFCAT]

I just got some big inside news:

Sounds like Vigen had this job in the bag but he wanted to spend Christmas with his family. WSU couldn’t wait.

WSU couldn’t wait until after Christmas but then they waited until after Christmas?

[Cledus]

Here is an article from last year with every FCS to FBS head coaching hires since 2010. You will find that only three hires were to P4 schools: Colorado, Stanford and Kansas State. Kansas State hired a coach who had won 4 national championships in 5 years at NDSU. Every other hire went to a G5 school and NONE were better schools than WSU. And of course the WSU job ended up going to arguably the most accomplished FCS coach in the country right now. There is virtually no data that supports Vigen getting a better job than a PAC 12 job.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/456807 ... s-fbs-fcs/

From the article: “For my money, a person that’s been a successful head coach like Chris Klieman is infinitely more qualified to be the head coach at Kansas State than somebody’s offensive or defensive coordinator,” said Bob Bowlsby, who as AD at Stanford hired Harbaugh away from a non-scholarship FCS school. “There’s 100 little decisions that go into putting a staff together and putting a football team together, and if you haven’t done it before, it’s just not the same.”

This is consistent with what I've been saying forever, which is success for head coaches going into bigger programs is about managing an organization and less about X's and O's.

[GoldstoneCat]

Why do you think that?

Stig built that thing for 20 years. Rogers won a title with essentially all Stig's team. The remnants of that team (Gronowski, bock, some of the linemen) carried this year's team. But they lost to NDSU twice and have been caught by SD. They have some decent facilities. Fans showed for the regular season but not the playoffs. Still a good job but I think they're at least 3rd wheel in the valley now for awhile, and it can be hard to climb back once you're there and fall off. Ask hauck.

Rogers recruited a lot of that team too.

Yeah, I think its a bit of a stretch to pretend that Rogers didn't have a lot to do with that team...I mean, he's been at SDSU (except one year) since he graduated from high school 20 years ago.

Hes a lot like Kane Ione or Bobby Daly IMO.

Time will tell. I don't agree. I mean he's a pedigree guy there, agree with that. But I'm not buying him as a big time coach. Just not.

I'm not really saying hes a big time coach...maybe the kind of coach that can get a job at a mid-tier G6 school? I think Vigen has a vastly better resume, which is why I've been arguing that Vigen can afford to hold out for a better job.

Isn't washington state a mid-tier G6 school?

Yes. If a mid tier G6 school is willing to hire a 37 year old with 2 years of HC experience and a couple years as DC/AHC, a guy like Vigen ought to command something more like a lower tier P4 job (like Troy Taylor) or a top tier OC (like Jay Hill).

Here is an article from last year with every FCS to FBS head coaching hires since 2010. You will find that only three hires were to P4 schools: Colorado, Stanford and Kansas State. Kansas State hired a coach who had won 4 national championships in 5 years at NDSU. Every other hire went to a G5 school and NONE were better schools than WSU. And of course the WSU job ended up going to arguably the most accomplished FCS coach in the country right now. There is virtually no data that supports Vigen getting a better job than a PAC 12 job.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/456807 ... s-fbs-fcs/

Stupid paywall. How many FBS to FCS head coaches total? How many of those had won national championships? How about FCS to good co-ordinator jobs like Jay Hill or sorta Jeff Choate?

Choate and Entz are on remarkably similar paths. Took position coach jobs at huge landmark programs and leveraged those to decent G5 jobs. Vigen, arguably, was offered a better job (certainly better than Choate) by winning at msu. If he can win one, or get us on a run here, I don't think it's unlikely he could get a job like Arizona, Oklahoma state, Minnesota, Wisconsin type job. Doesn't happen that often but it does happen, especially if you build the right connections.

[Cataholic]

Why do you think that?

Stig built that thing for 20 years. Rogers won a title with essentially all Stig's team. The remnants of that team (Gronowski, bock, some of the linemen) carried this year's team. But they lost to NDSU twice and have been caught by SD. They have some decent facilities. Fans showed for the regular season but not the playoffs. Still a good job but I think they're at least 3rd wheel in the valley now for awhile, and it can be hard to climb back once you're there and fall off. Ask hauck.

Rogers recruited a lot of that team too.

Yeah, I think its a bit of a stretch to pretend that Rogers didn't have a lot to do with that team...I mean, he's been at SDSU (except one year) since he graduated from high school 20 years ago.

Hes a lot like Kane Ione or Bobby Daly IMO.

Time will tell. I don't agree. I mean he's a pedigree guy there, agree with that. But I'm not buying him as a big time coach. Just not.

I'm not really saying hes a big time coach...maybe the kind of coach that can get a job at a mid-tier G6 school? I think Vigen has a vastly better resume, which is why I've been arguing that Vigen can afford to hold out for a better job.

Isn't washington state a mid-tier G6 school?

Yes. If a mid tier G6 school is willing to hire a 37 year old with 2 years of HC experience and a couple years as DC/AHC, a guy like Vigen ought to command something more like a lower tier P4 job (like Troy Taylor) or a top tier OC (like Jay Hill).

Here is an article from last year with every FCS to FBS head coaching hires since 2010. You will find that only three hires were to P4 schools: Colorado, Stanford and Kansas State. Kansas State hired a coach who had won 4 national championships in 5 years at NDSU. Every other hire went to a G5 school and NONE were better schools than WSU. And of course the WSU job ended up going to arguably the most accomplished FCS coach in the country right now. There is virtually no data that supports Vigen getting a better job than a PAC 12 job.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/456807 ... s-fbs-fcs/

Stupid paywall. How many FBS to FCS head coaches total? How many of those had won national championships? How about FCS to good co-ordinator jobs like Jay Hill or sorta Jeff Choate?

23 FCS to FBS head coaching moves since 2010. Only three were to P5 schools. All three appear above and all 3 had special circumstances. Vigen doesn’t have those things like a recognizable name or 4 national championships.

As for FCS to coordinator of P5 schools, there is no mention in the article. That happens a lot, but your argument has been that he will get a shot at a P5 head job. That’s not what history supports.

[Cledus]

Here is an article from last year with every FCS to FBS head coaching hires since 2010. You will find that only three hires were to P4 schools: Colorado, Stanford and Kansas State. Kansas State hired a coach who had won 4 national championships in 5 years at NDSU. Every other hire went to a G5 school and NONE were better schools than WSU. And of course the WSU job ended up going to arguably the most accomplished FCS coach in the country right now. There is virtually no data that supports Vigen getting a better job than a PAC 12 job.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/456807 ... s-fbs-fcs/

Stupid paywall. How many FBS to FCS head coaches total? How many of those had won national championships? How about FCS to good co-ordinator jobs like Jay Hill or sorta Jeff Choate?

Bypass paywall: https://12ft.io/