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[nanacat]

I know we can feel any emotions we want on guys leaving but good for Rohan as its a good offer he's getting...but Luvens Valcin is a flat stud and is ready for that H-back role. Max Murphy is also turning into a fine player. Good for Rohan but embrace the development these coaches have been doing everyone!

I thought that Hunter Provience and Rylan Schlepp played pretty well this season, so the cupboard isn't bare. And as you alluded to, Luvens Valcin has the makings to be a good one. What say you VIM @VimSince03 ?

Those two are both bonafide studs. I dont think either will move into Jones roll.

Why not?

Because they recruited Luvens Valcin to play that role.

Oh, gotcha! Well the nice thing is, the staff has recruited depth, and practiced depth. Next man up mentality will prevail!

[SACCAT]

Hope everyone increases their monthly donation to the collective.

Not trying to be an ass here, but what’s the point of giving more when it’ll never match what the big schools can give? We can’t compete. Why continue to give more if we’ll never be able to match the big guys. I get giving because these guys deserve it but I’m sure most of us cannot keep giving and giving just to see guys continue to walk out the door.

Because MSU has a chance EVERY YEAR to be the the Championship game. Because there are players that are GREAT that will come here to show that, and that money might be the difference between us and another FCS Powerhouse. There is nothing AT ALL wrong with these kids leaving (in my mind). You don't think the coaches recruiting plan every year is "Recruit a better player at every position than what we have here now"... I can tell you it is. I, for one, love that these young men will have a chance at a Power 4 school. Good for them, and also, great for us. As someone earlier said, "Come to MSU and ball out, make us Champions, and then go get yours" (paraphrasing the past quote). I will continue to root for every player that played for MSU, no matter what school they are at now (except one school). I am never going to tell someone how to be a fan, but I know that I will still answer the call every time MSU needs my help to make Bobcats the best at every sport...

[technoCat]

Hope everyone increases their monthly donation to the collective.

Hah! ….and it will never be enough. I give and give and give and buy and buy and buy their stuff, but it never is enough. Heck, I don’t even want to add up how much I spent on Bobcat football tickets, NIL, infrastructure donations, food for the team donations, QBC, travel for the team after the season donations, team gear purchases, etc., this past year. Not to mention personal costs for hotels, travel, food, etc. I spent around $5K for Frisco alone.

Okay, enough whining and venting. Oh well, okay, where do I send the check? Go Cats!

Yep, I actually fear that it could potentially start going the other way. Donors may soon come to realize that we will never be able to compete with P4 schools in terms of NIL money, or even G5 schools for that matter. We can give and give, but with all of that and we still can't keep guys here, people may start getting donor fatigue.

Honestly, I’m getting there.

Let me give you an alternative way to view NIL and the collective. The collective isn't about retaining guys so much as bringing the guys in. See if you don't have the collective you can't GET the guys to do well. Yes you may never compete with the P4 and they will take your great players from time to time, but you aren't in competition with them. Stop comparing yourself to a P4, that ain't you. What you are is a powerhouse blue blood top tier FCS school. That means in order to keep getting the caliber players to stay at the top you NEED that collective to bring them in. You lose that you will lose your competitive edge in order to stay relevant. Just another way to look at it....

Was hoping someone would make this point. Yes, the P4 might steal some of our good players but we should be stealing lower level FCS(like Rohan) and lower division players as well. It's just a different world now that we have to plan on replacing a couple really good players every year. I think for the most part we did that this year with Omar/Rush/Sebastian leaving. Would have been really nice to still have them but we need to adapt to the new world.

I really hope that people in the collective are setting things up in NIL contracts that cover them as soon as a player leaves. I assume the NIL deals are on 1 year cycles just like the scholarships.

As others have mentioned, the problem isn't that we lose(and gain) players every year. It's that there is no structure to when and how they make the deals. I also don't want to infer that the players were sandbagging in the championship but they definitely did seem somewhat distracted and it's just a bad look when you are in the portal the next day.

[4KornerKat]

[Catsrgrood]

There you go @TomCat88 , doesn’t get much more direct than that.

[coloradocat]

I just wish ONE TIME some one who is not transferring would retweet one of the guys who just became an ex-teammate and instead of saying "go be great" or whatever the hell they say, instead say "I thought this meant something. I thought we were brothers and teammates. Good riddance, don't ever contact me again."

That doesn't happen because when your brother has a chance to do better for themselves even if that means leaving you behind you are happy for them. Family doesn't act like that....

That’s a good point. It’s personal and why I think they should keep it low key. Don’t gloat, don’t apologize, just move on and have someone else make the announcement.

See that's your feelings getting in the way again, and I get it...you're a diehard cats fan...i really do get it....but these guys haven't gloated, they don't apologize...they thank you who they would like to thank and the announce where they are going....should they not be proud of working their ass off, playing well for a top tier fcs school and being able to make the jump to an fbs school? Why should they not be just as proud for going to their new destination as they were when they chose MSU?

How can you possibly be proud of making a choice on team/institution when it really isn’t about either of those things!?

And how do you know that it isn't? because money is involved they can't be proud of going to play at a bigger school? Those kids worked hard, put in the sweat, and then performed on the field and now have a chance to play at a bigger fbs school.....they shouldn't be proud of that?

Exactly. It's like when you work somewhere and leave for a better position at another company. It's generally standard practice to send a goodbye email that thanks the people you worked with. These X/IG posts are the same thing except that they are public, but that's because it's become the "industry" standard. You still appreciate your time where you worked but are proud of your future opportunity.

[AFCAT]

I honestly thought he was out of eligibility or done with football. He walked on Senior day but so did Elliott and Davis.

[VimSince03]

[TomCat88]

There you go @TomCat88 , doesn’t get much more direct than that.

I’ve championed this change!! Bookmark it! Lol

[MSU01]

I honestly thought he was out of eligibility or done with football. He walked on Senior day but so did Elliott and Davis.

Looks like he was a 2020 freshman and then redshirted at Utah State in 2021, so has one more year of eligibility thanks to the Covid year. MSU listed him as a senior on their roster, so I also assumed he'd be done after this year.

[4KornerKat]

I honestly thought he was out of eligibility or done with football. He walked on Senior day but so did Elliott and Davis.

Might as well enter the portal and see if someone out there wants to pay for a year of grad school.

[BobcatDel]

I just wish ONE TIME some one who is not transferring would retweet one of the guys who just became an ex-teammate and instead of saying "go be great" or whatever the hell they say, instead say "I thought this meant something. I thought we were brothers and teammates. Good riddance, don't ever contact me again."

That doesn't happen because when your brother has a chance to do better for themselves even if that means leaving you behind you are happy for them. Family doesn't act like that....

It does act like that if the family needed you and had certain expectations of you and felt you had committed to help them for another year and to help your brother be ready to fill your absence and help the family achieve a major milestone…..and you decide to run off for your own self gratification and leave them worse off with unexpected contributions to fill….yes it does act like that…..maybe you weren’t really part of this family thing all along…… and the real world does create family rifts….

see in my original response i had included a story....i'll include it now since you opened the door to it.......i have seen kids that went off to school come home because "family" expected them to help them pay the bills and they were off "playing that football". real family would never tell you to not go off and better yourself when you have the opportunity.....they didn't commit for beyond ONE year, scholarships are only ONE year....you say it's self gratification, I say it is taking advantage of a opportunity.....they didn't leave the team worse off because we have players to step in and I feel they are more talented than the ones that are leaving(except maybe moore). you are correct the real world creates rifts because families some families don't look out for each other and uplift them....they want to hold on to them and keep them from ever going anywhere until THEY are done with them.....I'll never agree to that....if you have an opportunity to better yourself, assess the pros and cons and if you think its what's best for you I want to see YOU win, go be great.

None of the key players we are mentioning here are or will have one year commitments from MSU. Yes some of the second tier folks moving on to get playing time is great. The key folks are all earning a 5 figure scholarship and are receiving benefits from the program well north of 5 figures…training, facilities, nutrition, coaching, medical care, etc. And if you think some of the programs you want the kid to go to will really care for you…….well actually you may become quite expendable with an injury or the concern they get from the school if they need extended rehab is quite lacking….or they may be more of a bench player than they think.

In a real family you don’t leave your family hanging because of your personal greed. It’s not about hanging onto them…never seen a family “hang on to them”…every family I know wants them to grow….but growing also means understanding values and wisdom and loyalty and living up to your commitments versus personal greed and self satisfaction.

So in your scenario mom’s at home and dads too sick to work and wants son or daughter to come home…but you want them “go be great”….trust me few of our kids are going to be “great” and make a living in the NFL….and making a decision to gratify yourself may be good for you in the short term but life has many twists and greatness is not always about ignoring your family…the definition of greatness is certainly in the eye of the beholder. I think I know where your definition lies….I see it differently…..and some of us have lived through these scenarios in our life….best damn decision I ever made was not chasing the almighty dollars and the perceived “greatness” well over 50 years ago….the long term dollars sticking with my early commitment far exceeded the money thrown at me back then….the long term dividends paid me well on personal and monetary rewards.

You are right it does give other kids the opportunity to grow and fill positions faster and you are often surprised at how quickly they develop which is the positive side of this. On the other side, one of the weaknesses in the FCS is the lack of depth during the season due to injury and losing a key starter just eats into the depth we have. And we will see, won’t we, on if the folks coming up are really better.

I have no more to say on this. Be great.

[BobcatBuiltTexan]

I just wish ONE TIME some one who is not transferring would retweet one of the guys who just became an ex-teammate and instead of saying "go be great" or whatever the hell they say, instead say "I thought this meant something. I thought we were brothers and teammates. Good riddance, don't ever contact me again."

That doesn't happen because when your brother has a chance to do better for themselves even if that means leaving you behind you are happy for them. Family doesn't act like that....

It does act like that if the family needed you and had certain expectations of you and felt you had committed to help them for another year and to help your brother be ready to fill your absence and help the family achieve a major milestone…..and you decide to run off for your own self gratification and leave them worse off with unexpected contributions to fill….yes it does act like that…..maybe you weren’t really part of this family thing all along…… and the real world does create family rifts….

see in my original response i had included a story....i'll include it now since you opened the door to it.......i have seen kids that went off to school come home because "family" expected them to help them pay the bills and they were off "playing that football". real family would never tell you to not go off and better yourself when you have the opportunity.....they didn't commit for beyond ONE year, scholarships are only ONE year....you say it's self gratification, I say it is taking advantage of a opportunity.....they didn't leave the team worse off because we have players to step in and I feel they are more talented than the ones that are leaving(except maybe moore). you are correct the real world creates rifts because families some families don't look out for each other and uplift them....they want to hold on to them and keep them from ever going anywhere until THEY are done with them.....I'll never agree to that....if you have an opportunity to better yourself, assess the pros and cons and if you think its what's best for you I want to see YOU win, go be great.

None of the key players we are mentioning here are or will have one year commitments from MSU. Yes some of the second tier folks moving on to get playing time is great. The key folks are all earning a 5 figure scholarship and are receiving benefits from the program well north of 5 figures…training, facilities, nutrition, coaching, medical care, etc. And if you think some of the programs you want the kid to go to will really care for you…….well actually you may become quite expendable with an injury or the concern they get from the school if they need extended rehab is quite lacking….or they may be more of a bench player than they think.

In a real family you don’t leave your family hanging because of your personal greed. It’s not about hanging onto them…never seen a family “hang on to them”…every family I know wants them to grow….but growing also means understanding values and wisdom and loyalty and living up to your commitments versus personal greed and self satisfaction.

So in your scenario mom’s at home and dads too sick to work and wants son or daughter to come home…but you want them “go be great”….trust me few of our kids are going to be “great” and make a living in the NFL….and making a decision to gratify yourself may be good for you in the short term but life has many twists and greatness is not always about ignoring your family…the definition of greatness is certainly in the eye of the beholder. I think I know where your definition lies….I see it differently…..and some of us have lived through these scenarios in our life….best damn decision I ever made was not chasing the almighty dollars and the perceived “greatness” well over 50 years ago….the long term dollars sticking with my early commitment far exceeded the money thrown at me back then….the long term dividends paid me well on personal and monetary rewards.

You are right it does give other kids the opportunity to grow and fill positions faster and you are often surprised at how quickly they develop which is the positive side of this. On the other side, one of the weaknesses in the FCS is the lack of depth during the season due to injury and losing a key starter just eats into the depth we have. And we will see, won’t we, on if the folks coming up are really better.

I have no more to say on this. Be great.

The key players who are receiving those 5 figure benefits came through for MSU and helped them land in the NC. Scholarships are ONE year.....every year you have to re-sign....so any way that you want to slice it it is a yearly commitment from the SCHOOL and the kid, because at any time the school can choose to no reup with the kid. I played college ball sir, I know exactly what is like at different schools and how they treat you...that isn't my concern or yours, it is 100% that kids choice to take that gamble.

you keep saying that is for greed. how do you know that because money is involved so it's all about money?! i know of several kids that have transferred because they wanted the opportunity to play in the SEC, the money was just an added benefit, but it wasn't about greed.....it was about OPPORTUNITY. So please stop saying that is all about greed.

It isn't leaving you family hanging when you are trying to better yourself and do more in your life. And i will stand 10 toes down that ANY family member that looks at their brother, sister, cousin, aunt as selfish or greedy because they leave the family to go chase their dream isn't a real family member. You can grow in all the ways that you mentioned somewhere else chasing your dreams with the support of your family, NOT your family telling you that you are leaving them hanging because you are greedy...that's just lame.

Again you keep making it seem that each of these guys are just chasing money and not chasing opportunity to play at a higher level. You are right everything isn't about money, so whey can't that be applied here? How come they really want the chance to test themselves against the best of the best and this is that opportunity....it isn't all about greed and money like you are making it out to be.

great that you are done talking about this....i get the last word....LOLOL.....GO BE GREAT!!!!!

[MSU01]

Eck, Belichick...Eck, Belichick...I wonder who Scottre will choose.

[Bocephus]

LOL. I know he won't go there.

Oh boy. Nice try Eck

[Colter_Nuanez]

For the record....I don't hate on any person for doing what's best for them. And nobody knows what's best for you, except....you. I'm also not saying this is what I would say or do if I was a teammate of any player, MSU or otherwise.

I just find it disingenuous sometimes. I talk to probably close to 200 current and former coaches and ex college football players pretty consistently. I don't know one person who's like "Man, I'm so happy for that guy" or who thinks that all these contrived, AI-written posts are classy or cool. It makes the vast majority of them sick and there's a general growing concern for the health of the game, especially below the Power 4 level.

So I guess I'll put it like this: If I was the player transferring, instead of writing a bunch of BS about all the unforgettable memories and how thankful you are, just write "I'm doing what's best for myself, I'm entering the portal." And if you're one of the guys getting left in the dust, if you are really happy for that guy, good for you, post about it, I guess. But if you're not happy about it, don't just post about it because that's what the social norm of young person communication is this day and age.

Like this profile I wrote about Rylan Ortt this year (https://skylinesportsmt.com/iron-ortt-m ... d-bobcats/), Bobby Daly told me this:

“He has the ability to confront and command more from his peers than anyone on the team. He doesn’t give a s—t what they think about him. And that’s tough at that age. I struggled with that when I was a player (an All-American linebacker at MSU in the late 2000s). I was nowhere near the leader that Rylan Ortt is.”

My point of making this post in the first place is that I like to believe there's guys out there who aren't hoping their now ex teammates go and be great. They hope they go learn a tough lesson that winning is hard and you aren't going to find very many spots where you're going to win more and do it for as many people who care about as Montana State....

[BelligerentBobcat]

I just wish ONE TIME some one who is not transferring would retweet one of the guys who just became an ex-teammate and instead of saying "go be great" or whatever the hell they say, instead say "I thought this meant something. I thought we were brothers and teammates. Good riddance, don't ever contact me again."

That doesn't happen because when your brother has a chance to do better for themselves even if that means leaving you behind you are happy for them. Family doesn't act like that....

It does act like that if the family needed you and had certain expectations of you and felt you had committed to help them for another year and to help your brother be ready to fill your absence and help the family achieve a major milestone…..and you decide to run off for your own self gratification and leave them worse off with unexpected contributions to fill….yes it does act like that…..maybe you weren’t really part of this family thing all along…… and the real world does create family rifts….

see in my original response i had included a story....i'll include it now since you opened the door to it.......i have seen kids that went off to school come home because "family" expected them to help them pay the bills and they were off "playing that football". real family would never tell you to not go off and better yourself when you have the opportunity.....they didn't commit for beyond ONE year, scholarships are only ONE year....you say it's self gratification, I say it is taking advantage of a opportunity.....they didn't leave the team worse off because we have players to step in and I feel they are more talented than the ones that are leaving(except maybe moore). you are correct the real world creates rifts because families some families don't look out for each other and uplift them....they want to hold on to them and keep them from ever going anywhere until THEY are done with them.....I'll never agree to that....if you have an opportunity to better yourself, assess the pros and cons and if you think its what's best for you I want to see YOU win, go be great.

None of the key players we are mentioning here are or will have one year commitments from MSU. Yes some of the second tier folks moving on to get playing time is great. The key folks are all earning a 5 figure scholarship and are receiving benefits from the program well north of 5 figures…training, facilities, nutrition, coaching, medical care, etc. And if you think some of the programs you want the kid to go to will really care for you…….well actually you may become quite expendable with an injury or the concern they get from the school if they need extended rehab is quite lacking….or they may be more of a bench player than they think.

In a real family you don’t leave your family hanging because of your personal greed. It’s not about hanging onto them…never seen a family “hang on to them”…every family I know wants them to grow….but growing also means understanding values and wisdom and loyalty and living up to your commitments versus personal greed and self satisfaction.

So in your scenario mom’s at home and dads too sick to work and wants son or daughter to come home…but you want them “go be great”….trust me few of our kids are going to be “great” and make a living in the NFL….and making a decision to gratify yourself may be good for you in the short term but life has many twists and greatness is not always about ignoring your family…the definition of greatness is certainly in the eye of the beholder. I think I know where your definition lies….I see it differently…..and some of us have lived through these scenarios in our life….best damn decision I ever made was not chasing the almighty dollars and the perceived “greatness” well over 50 years ago….the long term dollars sticking with my early commitment far exceeded the money thrown at me back then….the long term dividends paid me well on personal and monetary rewards.

You are right it does give other kids the opportunity to grow and fill positions faster and you are often surprised at how quickly they develop which is the positive side of this. On the other side, one of the weaknesses in the FCS is the lack of depth during the season due to injury and losing a key starter just eats into the depth we have. And we will see, won’t we, on if the folks coming up are really better.

I have no more to say on this. Be great.

The key players who are receiving those 5 figure benefits came through for MSU and helped them land in the NC. Scholarships are ONE year.....every year you have to re-sign....so any way that you want to slice it it is a yearly commitment from the SCHOOL and the kid, because at any time the school can choose to no reup with the kid. I played college ball sir, I know exactly what is like at different schools and how they treat you...that isn't my concern or yours, it is 100% that kids choice to take that gamble.

you keep saying that is for greed. how do you know that because money is involved so it's all about money?! i know of several kids that have transferred because they wanted the opportunity to play in the SEC, the money was just an added benefit, but it wasn't about greed.....it was about OPPORTUNITY. So please stop saying that is all about greed.

It isn't leaving you family hanging when you are trying to better yourself and do more in your life. And i will stand 10 toes down that ANY family member that looks at their brother, sister, cousin, aunt as selfish or greedy because they leave the family to go chase their dream isn't a real family member. You can grow in all the ways that you mentioned somewhere else chasing your dreams with the support of your family, NOT your family telling you that you are leaving them hanging because you are greedy...that's just lame.

Again you keep making it seem that each of these guys are just chasing money and not chasing opportunity to play at a higher level. You are right everything isn't about money, so whey can't that be applied here? How come they really want the chance to test themselves against the best of the best and this is that opportunity....it isn't all about greed and money like you are making it out to be.

great that you are done talking about this....i get the last word....LOLOL.....GO BE GREAT!!!!!

A good reminder that part of why these players are good is because of how competitive they are, so of course they want to go play against the best. Of course money plays a role, but it isn’t the only part.

[mslacatfan]

For the record....I don't hate on any person for doing what's best for them. And nobody knows what's best for you, except....you. I'm also not saying this is what I would say or do if I was a teammate of any player, MSU or otherwise.

I just find it disingenuous sometimes. I talk to probably close to 200 current and former coaches and ex college football players pretty consistently. I don't know one person who's like "Man, I'm so happy for that guy" or who thinks that all these contrived, AI-written posts are classy or cool. It makes the vast majority of them sick and there's a general growing concern for the health of the game, especially below the Power 4 level.

So I guess I'll put it like this: If I was the player transferring, instead of writing a bunch of BS about all the unforgettable memories and how thankful you are, just write "I'm doing what's best for myself, I'm entering the portal." And if you're one of the guys getting left in the dust, if you are really happy for that guy, good for you, post about it, I guess. But if you're not happy about it, don't just post about it because that's what the social norm of young person communication is this day and age.

Like this profile I wrote about Rylan Ortt this year (https://skylinesportsmt.com/iron-ortt-m ... d-bobcats/), Bobby Daly told me this:

“He has the ability to confront and command more from his peers than anyone on the team. He doesn’t give a s—t what they think about him. And that’s tough at that age. I struggled with that when I was a player (an All-American linebacker at MSU in the late 2000s). I was nowhere near the leader that Rylan Ortt is.”

My point of making this post in the first place is that I like to believe there's guys out there who aren't hoping their now ex teammates go and be great. They hope they go learn a tough lesson that winning is hard and you aren't going to find very many spots where you're going to win more and do it for as many people who care about as Montana State....

[nanacat]

For the record....I don't hate on any person for doing what's best for them. And nobody knows what's best for you, except....you. I'm also not saying this is what I would say or do if I was a teammate of any player, MSU or otherwise.

I just find it disingenuous sometimes. I talk to probably close to 200 current and former coaches and ex college football players pretty consistently. I don't know one person who's like "Man, I'm so happy for that guy" or who thinks that all these contrived, AI-written posts are classy or cool. It makes the vast majority of them sick and there's a general growing concern for the health of the game, especially below the Power 4 level.

So I guess I'll put it like this: If I was the player transferring, instead of writing a bunch of BS about all the unforgettable memories and how thankful you are, just write "I'm doing what's best for myself, I'm entering the portal." And if you're one of the guys getting left in the dust, if you are really happy for that guy, good for you, post about it, I guess. But if you're not happy about it, don't just post about it because that's what the social norm of young person communication is this day and age.

Like this profile I wrote about Rylan Ortt this year (https://skylinesportsmt.com/iron-ortt-m ... d-bobcats/), Bobby Daly told me this:

“He has the ability to confront and command more from his peers than anyone on the team. He doesn’t give a s—t what they think about him. And that’s tough at that age. I struggled with that when I was a player (an All-American linebacker at MSU in the late 2000s). I was nowhere near the leader that Rylan Ortt is.”

My point of making this post in the first place is that I like to believe there's guys out there who aren't hoping their now ex teammates go and be great. They hope they go learn a tough lesson that winning is hard and you aren't going to find very many spots where you're going to win more and do it for as many people who care about as Montana State....

+1

[91catAlum]

****** me. Whole offense will be gutted for next year.

Nah...i disagree....we have recruited well and have talented guys that will step in...only person i see whose talent won't be replaced is tommy...everyone else has an equally talented player that will step in and can give us what the person that is leaving gave us....jmo

We lost 3 all Americans on offense to the portal this week. Doubtful we have 3 more all Americans sitting there waiting to step right into their shoes.
I'm not the pollyanna type - these are big losses.