I’m not going into detail of what I was told, but it isn’t so much about the playing time. It’s more than that. A lady on my plane yesterday (not sure who her son is) was kind of talking about the same issues. Obviously we as fans don’t see the full picture.The Butcher wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 1:48 pmYeah, that’s what I was thinking. You wouldn’t expect an injured player recovering from major surgery to get a ton of money. But then again, who knows?
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We'll never know but I don't think it's worth reading too much into it. These players are human beings and there are a wide variety of reasons why each one might choose to stay or leave. Due to the Covid year a lot of these guys are also graduating while they still have athletic eligibility remaining, which might factor in as well from an academic perspective.nanacat wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 1:45 pmHow much of the transferring out is not based on $$ at all, but the "Tommy Effect" as in, he's leaving and there's a big question mark as to who will replace him? He was such a phenomenal leader that so many looked up to and wanted to play with/for. With losing him, along with coaches Walker and Johnson, potentially, is there uncertainty among the team?
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I get it, there are many reasons I'm sure. But knowing your general will be gone, and the OC at least, can create a lot of uncertainty. I'm guessing Vigen has known for awhile about these transfers, based on his interview after his contract extension, and him stating that transparency is important, and communication. While we as fans may be surprised, frustrated, and even a bit concerned, I'm sure those in the know, knew. That being said, I bet Tommy has been campaigning for guys to stay, just knowing his dedication and commitment to this program.MSU01 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 1:52 pmWe'll never know but I don't think it's worth reading too much into it. These players are human beings and there are a wide variety of reasons why each one might choose to stay or leave. Due to the Covid year a lot of these guys are also graduating while they still have athletic eligibility remaining, which might factor in as well from an academic perspective.nanacat wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 1:45 pmHow much of the transferring out is not based on $$ at all, but the "Tommy Effect" as in, he's leaving and there's a big question mark as to who will replace him? He was such a phenomenal leader that so many looked up to and wanted to play with/for. With losing him, along with coaches Walker and Johnson, potentially, is there uncertainty among the team?
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I'm sure there's a lot of uncertainty right now but to me all the transfers so far make sense - two (Moore and Humphrey) who will be going to Power 4 teams on big NIL deals and the other group consisting of players who were somewhat buried on MSU's depth chart and are going elsewhere to try and find more playing time. Julius Davis will be going into his seventh year of college football if he decides to play in 2025, and may have very different priorities than a younger player. To me the concerning thing would be if MSU started to lose a significant number of talented young players who haven't had their opportunity yet to show what they can do.nanacat wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 1:55 pmI get it, there are many reasons I'm sure. But knowing your general will be gone, and the OC at least, can create a lot of uncertainty. I'm guessing Vigen has known for awhile about these transfers, based on his interview after his contract extension, and him stating that transparency is important, and communication. While we as fans may be surprised, frustrated, and even a bit concerned, I'm sure those in the know, knew. That being said, I bet Tommy has been campaigning for guys to stay, just knowing his dedication and commitment to this program.MSU01 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 1:52 pmWe'll never know but I don't think it's worth reading too much into it. These players are human beings and there are a wide variety of reasons why each one might choose to stay or leave. Due to the Covid year a lot of these guys are also graduating while they still have athletic eligibility remaining, which might factor in as well from an academic perspective.nanacat wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 1:45 pmHow much of the transferring out is not based on $$ at all, but the "Tommy Effect" as in, he's leaving and there's a big question mark as to who will replace him? He was such a phenomenal leader that so many looked up to and wanted to play with/for. With losing him, along with coaches Walker and Johnson, potentially, is there uncertainty among the team?
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Yes, I agree with you.MSU01 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 2:01 pmI'm sure there's a lot of uncertainty right now but to me all the transfers so far make sense - two (Moore and Humphrey) who will be going to Power 4 teams on big NIL deals and the other group consisting of players who were somewhat buried on MSU's depth chart and are going elsewhere to try and find more playing time. Julius Davis will be going into his seventh year of college football if he decides to play in 2025, and may have very different priorities than a younger player. To me the concerning thing would be if MSU started to lose a significant number of talented young players who haven't had their opportunity yet to show what they can do.nanacat wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 1:55 pmI get it, there are many reasons I'm sure. But knowing your general will be gone, and the OC at least, can create a lot of uncertainty. I'm guessing Vigen has known for awhile about these transfers, based on his interview after his contract extension, and him stating that transparency is important, and communication. While we as fans may be surprised, frustrated, and even a bit concerned, I'm sure those in the know, knew. That being said, I bet Tommy has been campaigning for guys to stay, just knowing his dedication and commitment to this program.MSU01 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 1:52 pmWe'll never know but I don't think it's worth reading too much into it. These players are human beings and there are a wide variety of reasons why each one might choose to stay or leave. Due to the Covid year a lot of these guys are also graduating while they still have athletic eligibility remaining, which might factor in as well from an academic perspective.nanacat wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 1:45 pmHow much of the transferring out is not based on $$ at all, but the "Tommy Effect" as in, he's leaving and there's a big question mark as to who will replace him? He was such a phenomenal leader that so many looked up to and wanted to play with/for. With losing him, along with coaches Walker and Johnson, potentially, is there uncertainty among the team?
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So much for the "Juice Squad". Who's left? Jones and Coon?MSU01 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 2:01 pmI'm sure there's a lot of uncertainty right now but to me all the transfers so far make sense - two (Moore and Humphrey) who will be going to Power 4 teams on big NIL deals and the other group consisting of players who were somewhat buried on MSU's depth chart and are going elsewhere to try and find more playing time. Julius Davis will be going into his seventh year of college football if he decides to play in 2025, and may have very different priorities than a younger player. To me the concerning thing would be if MSU started to lose a significant number of talented young players who haven't had their opportunity yet to show what they can do.nanacat wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 1:55 pmI get it, there are many reasons I'm sure. But knowing your general will be gone, and the OC at least, can create a lot of uncertainty. I'm guessing Vigen has known for awhile about these transfers, based on his interview after his contract extension, and him stating that transparency is important, and communication. While we as fans may be surprised, frustrated, and even a bit concerned, I'm sure those in the know, knew. That being said, I bet Tommy has been campaigning for guys to stay, just knowing his dedication and commitment to this program.MSU01 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 1:52 pmWe'll never know but I don't think it's worth reading too much into it. These players are human beings and there are a wide variety of reasons why each one might choose to stay or leave. Due to the Covid year a lot of these guys are also graduating while they still have athletic eligibility remaining, which might factor in as well from an academic perspective.nanacat wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 1:45 pmHow much of the transferring out is not based on $$ at all, but the "Tommy Effect" as in, he's leaving and there's a big question mark as to who will replace him? He was such a phenomenal leader that so many looked up to and wanted to play with/for. With losing him, along with coaches Walker and Johnson, potentially, is there uncertainty among the team?
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Henley.KIX wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 2:06 pmSo much for the "Juice Squad". Who's left? Jones and Coon?MSU01 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 2:01 pmI'm sure there's a lot of uncertainty right now but to me all the transfers so far make sense - two (Moore and Humphrey) who will be going to Power 4 teams on big NIL deals and the other group consisting of players who were somewhat buried on MSU's depth chart and are going elsewhere to try and find more playing time. Julius Davis will be going into his seventh year of college football if he decides to play in 2025, and may have very different priorities than a younger player. To me the concerning thing would be if MSU started to lose a significant number of talented young players who haven't had their opportunity yet to show what they can do.nanacat wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 1:55 pmI get it, there are many reasons I'm sure. But knowing your general will be gone, and the OC at least, can create a lot of uncertainty. I'm guessing Vigen has known for awhile about these transfers, based on his interview after his contract extension, and him stating that transparency is important, and communication. While we as fans may be surprised, frustrated, and even a bit concerned, I'm sure those in the know, knew. That being said, I bet Tommy has been campaigning for guys to stay, just knowing his dedication and commitment to this program.MSU01 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 1:52 pmWe'll never know but I don't think it's worth reading too much into it. These players are human beings and there are a wide variety of reasons why each one might choose to stay or leave. Due to the Covid year a lot of these guys are also graduating while they still have athletic eligibility remaining, which might factor in as well from an academic perspective.nanacat wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 1:45 pmHow much of the transferring out is not based on $$ at all, but the "Tommy Effect" as in, he's leaving and there's a big question mark as to who will replace him? He was such a phenomenal leader that so many looked up to and wanted to play with/for. With losing him, along with coaches Walker and Johnson, potentially, is there uncertainty among the team?
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I honestly thought playing for the NC, and Vigen staying, would have kept more guys here.
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Tough for a 20 year old to turn down life changing money no matter how much he likes his coach.
I hate the current system. But I don't blame the players for taking advantage of it.

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Carson Beck is available to the highest bidder. If anyone still needs a sign that college football is broken, here it is.
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Why?coloradocat wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2025 7:04 pmCarson Beck is available to the highest bidder. If anyone still needs a sign that college football is broken, here it is.
He’s injured. Georgia wants to move on from him. Because of his injury and play, he’s not lined up to be a good NFL draft pick this year. So now he gets to transfer and probably make more money than he would in the NFL.
I guess I don’t see the problem, other than he’s going to get paid a lot more than he’s likely worth. Or at least, I don’t see evidence of a broken system here.
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That is weird because I physically talked to his dad hours before the game, at the tailgate, and he said he is coming back. His dad also told me he was looking forward to going to Oregon to watch them. His dad said Julius loves the bobcat fans and said even though there is less than at Wisconsin, the bobcat fan base is much more dedicated and passionate. Those words came directly from his dad. Maybe after the game things changed big time.MSU01 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 1:52 pmWe'll never know but I don't think it's worth reading too much into it. These players are human beings and there are a wide variety of reasons why each one might choose to stay or leave. Due to the Covid year a lot of these guys are also graduating while they still have athletic eligibility remaining, which might factor in as well from an academic perspective.nanacat wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 1:45 pmHow much of the transferring out is not based on $$ at all, but the "Tommy Effect" as in, he's leaving and there's a big question mark as to who will replace him? He was such a phenomenal leader that so many looked up to and wanted to play with/for. With losing him, along with coaches Walker and Johnson, potentially, is there uncertainty among the team?
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To me, a broken system would be if a player:BelligerentBobcat wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2025 7:21 pmWhy?coloradocat wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2025 7:04 pmCarson Beck is available to the highest bidder. If anyone still needs a sign that college football is broken, here it is.
He’s injured. Georgia wants to move on from him. Because of his injury and play, he’s not lined up to be a good NFL draft pick this year. So now he gets to transfer and probably make more money than he would in the NFL.
I guess I don’t see the problem, other than he’s going to get paid a lot more than he’s likely worth. Or at least, I don’t see evidence of a broken system here.
1) has one year left of eligibility
2) is coming off surgery like Beck will likely be
3) isn’t guaranteed to start at his current school
4) would have to transfer FCS because it’s a 2-year rule within FBS; he only has one
5) if he gets any outside compensation, the program is penalized severely and he has to hide it.
6) tough ******, kid.
No way a system like that could ever exist!
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This part right here. Fans keep thinking everything is about money....I keep saying it... IT ISN'T. There are many reasons a kid leaves...opportunity to play the best competition....a better system for them.... they may thought they could deal with bozeman and find out it just doesn't vibe with them.... maybe a player does well but they just don't get along with the coaches.... maybe they don't get along with the players.... everything isn't about money.MSU01 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 1:52 pmWe'll never know but I don't think it's worth reading too much into it. These players are human beings and there are a wide variety of reasons why each one might choose to stay or leave. Due to the Covid year a lot of these guys are also graduating while they still have athletic eligibility remaining, which might factor in as well from an academic perspective.nanacat wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2025 1:45 pmHow much of the transferring out is not based on $$ at all, but the "Tommy Effect" as in, he's leaving and there's a big question mark as to who will replace him? He was such a phenomenal leader that so many looked up to and wanted to play with/for. With losing him, along with coaches Walker and Johnson, potentially, is there uncertainty among the team?