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[nanacat]

Question... when these players are promised large amounts of money, NIL or whatever, like the rumored $300k for Scottre, does that also include a tuition scholarship, food, room and board, etc? I read a comment on a post where someone said if they're getting paid that much hopefully they're not getting free schooling too. It hadn't actually thought about that.

I know there's been questions about how much they actually get vs what they're offered/promised. Of course they're STUDENT athletes, and student should come first in the equation but that much money and free school? Seems excessive, and frankly unfair to the average student who may need financial help but can't get it due to athletes getting the lion's share.

[coloradocat]

Question... when these players are promised large amounts of money, NIL or whatever, like the rumored $300k for Scottre, does that also include a tuition scholarship, food, room and board, etc? I read a comment on a post where someone said if they're getting paid that much hopefully they're not getting free schooling too. It hadn't actually thought about that.

I know there's been questions about how much they actually get vs what they're offered/promised. Of course they're STUDENT athletes, and student should come first in the equation but that much money and free school? Seems excessive, and frankly unfair to the average student who may need financial help but can't get it due to athletes getting the lion's share.

I think every FBS roster spot is now a full scholarship. Even if that hasn't started yet I doubt donors are going to pay an FCS player that isn't worth a scholarship $300-500K to walk on.

The athletic department budget is completely separate from the general scholarship fund at every university. Sure, most departments are still funded by the general fund, but if you have a problem with that then we should shut down all D1 programs and just switch everything to club sports (not the worst idea really but a completely separate conversation).

[jaquelethargic]

This is all heresy but what I’ve heard from folks… Starting line for NDSU gets 200k/yr each, so in the grand scheme of things, Rohan getting 300-500k isn’t shocking but also depending on him making the roster and depth chart. Connor’s offer is supposedly higher than what he’d make as a first rounder nfl pick outside of top 15 or so, but well into 7 figures at Ohio st. Same as above applies.

[91catAlum]

Question... when these players are promised large amounts of money, NIL or whatever, like the rumored $300k for Scottre, does that also include a tuition scholarship, food, room and board, etc? I read a comment on a post where someone said if they're getting paid that much hopefully they're not getting free schooling too. It hadn't actually thought about that.

I know there's been questions about how much they actually get vs what they're offered/promised. Of course they're STUDENT athletes, and student should come first in the equation but that much money and free school? Seems excessive, and frankly unfair to the average student who may need financial help but can't get it due to athletes getting the lion's share.

NIL money is over and above the scholarship money. They come from different sources.

[TomCat88]

This is all heresy but what I’ve heard from folks… Starting line for NDSU gets 200k/yr each, so in the grand scheme of things, Rohan getting 300-500k isn’t shocking but also depending on him making the roster and depth chart. Connor’s offer is supposedly higher than what he’d make as a first rounder nfl pick outside of top 15 or so, but well into 7 figures at Ohio st. Same as above applies.

I think the amount of money players are getting to transfer and from nil should be public information if you’re playing for a public institution.

[BelligerentBobcat]

This is all heresy but what I’ve heard from folks… Starting line for NDSU gets 200k/yr each, so in the grand scheme of things, Rohan getting 300-500k isn’t shocking but also depending on him making the roster and depth chart. Connor’s offer is supposedly higher than what he’d make as a first rounder nfl pick outside of top 15 or so, but well into 7 figures at Ohio st. Same as above applies.

I think the amount of money players are getting to transfer should be public information if you’re playing for a public institution.

They’re getting the money from a private organization, and technically, it isn’t for playing.

[coloradocat]

This is all heresy but what I’ve heard from folks… Starting line for NDSU gets 200k/yr each, so in the grand scheme of things, Rohan getting 300-500k isn’t shocking but also depending on him making the roster and depth chart. Connor’s offer is supposedly higher than what he’d make as a first rounder nfl pick outside of top 15 or so, but well into 7 figures at Ohio st. Same as above applies.

I think the amount of money players are getting to transfer should be public information if you’re playing for a public institution.

Is the wage/salary of every university employee currently public information?

[TomCat88]

This is all heresy but what I’ve heard from folks… Starting line for NDSU gets 200k/yr each, so in the grand scheme of things, Rohan getting 300-500k isn’t shocking but also depending on him making the roster and depth chart. Connor’s offer is supposedly higher than what he’d make as a first rounder nfl pick outside of top 15 or so, but well into 7 figures at Ohio st. Same as above applies.

I think the amount of money players are getting to transfer should be public information if you’re playing for a public institution.

They’re getting the money from a private organization, and technically, it isn’t for playing.

Right, I roughly know that, but in fairness it should be public so everyone knows the expectation. How does anyone know what they need to do to retain players?

[91catAlum]

This is all heresy but what I’ve heard from folks… Starting line for NDSU gets 200k/yr each, so in the grand scheme of things, Rohan getting 300-500k isn’t shocking but also depending on him making the roster and depth chart. Connor’s offer is supposedly higher than what he’d make as a first rounder nfl pick outside of top 15 or so, but well into 7 figures at Ohio st. Same as above applies.

I think the amount of money players are getting to transfer should be public information if you’re playing for a public institution.

Is the wage/salary of every university employee currently public information?

I would imagine it is. The salary of all state government employees is public information (available online), so if all university employees are considered state government employees then the answer is yes.

[onceacat]

This is all heresy but what I’ve heard from folks… Starting line for NDSU gets 200k/yr each, so in the grand scheme of things, Rohan getting 300-500k isn’t shocking but also depending on him making the roster and depth chart. Connor’s offer is supposedly higher than what he’d make as a first rounder nfl pick outside of top 15 or so, but well into 7 figures at Ohio st. Same as above applies.

I think the amount of money players are getting to transfer should be public information if you’re playing for a public institution.

Is the wage/salary of every university employee currently public information?

For key personnel, yea. But 99% of the rest are on a pay scale, and the pay scale is public knowledge.

If a professor moonlights though (like an NIL) the public wouldn’t know.

[onceacat]

This is all heresy but what I’ve heard from folks… Starting line for NDSU gets 200k/yr each, so in the grand scheme of things, Rohan getting 300-500k isn’t shocking but also depending on him making the roster and depth chart. Connor’s offer is supposedly higher than what he’d make as a first rounder nfl pick outside of top 15 or so, but well into 7 figures at Ohio st. Same as above applies.

I think the amount of money players are getting to transfer should be public information if you’re playing for a public institution.

They’re getting the money from a private organization, and technically, it isn’t for playing.

Right, I roughly know that, but in fairness it should be public so everyone knows the expectation. How does anyone know what they need to do to retain players?

The NIL earnings of Nick Saban or LeBron or Patrick Mahomes or Ronaldo are not publicly disclosed.

[tetoncat]

This is all heresy but what I’ve heard from folks… Starting line for NDSU gets 200k/yr each, so in the grand scheme of things, Rohan getting 300-500k isn’t shocking but also depending on him making the roster and depth chart. Connor’s offer is supposedly higher than what he’d make as a first rounder nfl pick outside of top 15 or so, but well into 7 figures at Ohio st. Same as above applies.

I think the amount of money players are getting to transfer should be public information if you’re playing for a public institution.

Is the wage/salary of every university employee currently public information?

For key personnel, yea. But 99% of the rest are on a pay scale, and the pay scale is public knowledge.

If a professor moonlights though (like an NIL) the public wouldn’t know.

If it is grant money isnt that published.

[nanacat]

Thanks. Guess I should have known the monies were separate.

[MTnative]

This is all heresy but what I’ve heard from folks… Starting line for NDSU gets 200k/yr each, so in the grand scheme of things, Rohan getting 300-500k isn’t shocking but also depending on him making the roster and depth chart. Connor’s offer is supposedly higher than what he’d make as a first rounder nfl pick outside of top 15 or so, but well into 7 figures at Ohio st. Same as above applies.

I think the amount of money players are getting to transfer should be public information if you’re playing for a public institution.

Is the wage/salary of every university employee currently public information?

This argument has legal merit, because this is exactly the argument the Northwestern football team used at the outset of the NIL legal proceedings.

If they’re employees of the university, their compensation should be made public information. And I think somewhere that’s probably a legal proceeding that will be pursued.

[coloradocat]

This is all heresy but what I’ve heard from folks… Starting line for NDSU gets 200k/yr each, so in the grand scheme of things, Rohan getting 300-500k isn’t shocking but also depending on him making the roster and depth chart. Connor’s offer is supposedly higher than what he’d make as a first rounder nfl pick outside of top 15 or so, but well into 7 figures at Ohio st. Same as above applies.

I think the amount of money players are getting to transfer should be public information if you’re playing for a public institution.

Is the wage/salary of every university employee currently public information?

This argument has legal merit, because this is exactly the argument the Northwestern football team used at the outset of the NIL legal proceedings.

If they’re employees of the university, their compensation should be made public information. And I think somewhere that’s probably a legal proceeding that will be pursued.

Except the government institution isn't the one paying them NIL (by design). I'm sure the team/university would have no problem disclosing the value of the scholarships.

[TomCat88]

This is all heresy but what I’ve heard from folks… Starting line for NDSU gets 200k/yr each, so in the grand scheme of things, Rohan getting 300-500k isn’t shocking but also depending on him making the roster and depth chart. Connor’s offer is supposedly higher than what he’d make as a first rounder nfl pick outside of top 15 or so, but well into 7 figures at Ohio st. Same as above applies.

I think the amount of money players are getting to transfer should be public information if you’re playing for a public institution.

Is the wage/salary of every university employee currently public information?

This argument has legal merit, because this is exactly the argument the Northwestern football team used at the outset of the NIL legal proceedings.

If they’re employees of the university, their compensation should be made public information. And I think somewhere that’s probably a legal proceeding that will be pursued.

Except the government institution isn't the one paying them NIL (by design). I'm sure the team/university would have no problem disclosing the value of the scholarships.

Competitive process

Any time public money is involved in anything, then it has to be made public. That's a certainty. I'm not sure if that applies to funds that flow into a public entity, but I'm pretty it does. For instance, if a state office puts funds into a program and then someone else (Private) puts money into that program, then those monies are open to the same public access as the public monies. So, I think (not sure) that if athletes at a public institution like a public university receive money for playing a sport, then it should be public. Perhaps, it has been set up in a way that keeps everything separate. That doesn't seem proper to me.

Anyway, my point is to create fairness. For instance, if I bid on a project and I don't get the bid, I want to know what the other companies bid, so that I know what I'm up against. I need to know where I'm over bidding in order to fix that area and become competitive. This isn't just good for me, but also the entity putting the job out to bid.

[BelligerentBobcat]

This is all heresy but what I’ve heard from folks… Starting line for NDSU gets 200k/yr each, so in the grand scheme of things, Rohan getting 300-500k isn’t shocking but also depending on him making the roster and depth chart. Connor’s offer is supposedly higher than what he’d make as a first rounder nfl pick outside of top 15 or so, but well into 7 figures at Ohio st. Same as above applies.

I think the amount of money players are getting to transfer should be public information if you’re playing for a public institution.

Is the wage/salary of every university employee currently public information?

This argument has legal merit, because this is exactly the argument the Northwestern football team used at the outset of the NIL legal proceedings.

If they’re employees of the university, their compensation should be made public information. And I think somewhere that’s probably a legal proceeding that will be pursued.

Except the government institution isn't the one paying them NIL (by design). I'm sure the team/university would have no problem disclosing the value of the scholarships.

Competitive process

Any time public money is involved in anything, then it has to be made public. That's a certainty. I'm not sure if that applies to funds that flow into a public entity, but I'm pretty it does. For instance, if a state office puts funds into a program and then someone else (Private) puts money into that program, then those monies are open to the same public access as the public monies. So, I think (not sure) that if athletes at a public institution like a public university receive money for playing a sport, then it should be public. Perhaps, it has been set up in a way that keeps everything separate. That doesn't seem proper to me.

Anyway, my point is to create fairness. For instance, if I bid on a project and I don't get the bid, I want to know what the other companies bid, so that I know what I'm up against. I need to know where I'm over bidding in order to fix that area and become competitive. This isn't just good for me, but also the entity putting the job out to bid.

They aren’t getting paid to play (technically). They’re getting paid for advertising and the like. “Show up to this event and you get $1000. Tweet about this product and you get $500.” Etc, etc.

[TomCat88]

This is all heresy but what I’ve heard from folks… Starting line for NDSU gets 200k/yr each, so in the grand scheme of things, Rohan getting 300-500k isn’t shocking but also depending on him making the roster and depth chart. Connor’s offer is supposedly higher than what he’d make as a first rounder nfl pick outside of top 15 or so, but well into 7 figures at Ohio st. Same as above applies.

I think the amount of money players are getting to transfer should be public information if you’re playing for a public institution.

Is the wage/salary of every university employee currently public information?

This argument has legal merit, because this is exactly the argument the Northwestern football team used at the outset of the NIL legal proceedings.

If they’re employees of the university, their compensation should be made public information. And I think somewhere that’s probably a legal proceeding that will be pursued.

Except the government institution isn't the one paying them NIL (by design). I'm sure the team/university would have no problem disclosing the value of the scholarships.

Competitive process

Any time public money is involved in anything, then it has to be made public. That's a certainty. I'm not sure if that applies to funds that flow into a public entity, but I'm pretty it does. For instance, if a state office puts funds into a program and then someone else (Private) puts money into that program, then those monies are open to the same public access as the public monies. So, I think (not sure) that if athletes at a public institution like a public university receive money for playing a sport, then it should be public. Perhaps, it has been set up in a way that keeps everything separate. That doesn't seem proper to me.

Anyway, my point is to create fairness. For instance, if I bid on a project and I don't get the bid, I want to know what the other companies bid, so that I know what I'm up against. I need to know where I'm over bidding in order to fix that area and become competitive. This isn't just good for me, but also the entity putting the job out to bid.

They aren’t getting paid to play (technically). They’re getting paid for advertising and the like. “Show up to this event and you get $1000. Tweet about this product and you get $500.” Etc, etc.

Right. It seems weird and unfair to me that it isn’t open.

For instance, the NFL is a private entity. Yet it has an open process with every player’s salary posted.

[BelligerentBobcat]

This is all heresy but what I’ve heard from folks… Starting line for NDSU gets 200k/yr each, so in the grand scheme of things, Rohan getting 300-500k isn’t shocking but also depending on him making the roster and depth chart. Connor’s offer is supposedly higher than what he’d make as a first rounder nfl pick outside of top 15 or so, but well into 7 figures at Ohio st. Same as above applies.

I think the amount of money players are getting to transfer should be public information if you’re playing for a public institution.

Is the wage/salary of every university employee currently public information?

This argument has legal merit, because this is exactly the argument the Northwestern football team used at the outset of the NIL legal proceedings.

If they’re employees of the university, their compensation should be made public information. And I think somewhere that’s probably a legal proceeding that will be pursued.

Except the government institution isn't the one paying them NIL (by design). I'm sure the team/university would have no problem disclosing the value of the scholarships.

Competitive process

Any time public money is involved in anything, then it has to be made public. That's a certainty. I'm not sure if that applies to funds that flow into a public entity, but I'm pretty it does. For instance, if a state office puts funds into a program and then someone else (Private) puts money into that program, then those monies are open to the same public access as the public monies. So, I think (not sure) that if athletes at a public institution like a public university receive money for playing a sport, then it should be public. Perhaps, it has been set up in a way that keeps everything separate. That doesn't seem proper to me.

Anyway, my point is to create fairness. For instance, if I bid on a project and I don't get the bid, I want to know what the other companies bid, so that I know what I'm up against. I need to know where I'm over bidding in order to fix that area and become competitive. This isn't just good for me, but also the entity putting the job out to bid.

They aren’t getting paid to play (technically). They’re getting paid for advertising and the like. “Show up to this event and you get $1000. Tweet about this product and you get $500.” Etc, etc.

Right. It seems weird and unfair to me that it isn’t open.

For instance, the NFL is a private entity. Yet it has an open process with every player’s salary posted.

I think the people involved have a pretty good idea what everything costs. The collectives, agents, etc, they all roughly know where things stand.

There’s no benefit to us fans knowing. Would only lead to problems.

NFL we know what players are getting paid to play. We don’t know their endorsement deals. NIL is just endorsement deals.

[91catAlum]

This is all heresy but what I’ve heard from folks… Starting line for NDSU gets 200k/yr each, so in the grand scheme of things, Rohan getting 300-500k isn’t shocking but also depending on him making the roster and depth chart. Connor’s offer is supposedly higher than what he’d make as a first rounder nfl pick outside of top 15 or so, but well into 7 figures at Ohio st. Same as above applies.

I think the amount of money players are getting to transfer should be public information if you’re playing for a public institution.

Is the wage/salary of every university employee currently public information?

This argument has legal merit, because this is exactly the argument the Northwestern football team used at the outset of the NIL legal proceedings.

If they’re employees of the university, their compensation should be made public information. And I think somewhere that’s probably a legal proceeding that will be pursued.

Except the government institution isn't the one paying them NIL (by design). I'm sure the team/university would have no problem disclosing the value of the scholarships.

Competitive process

Any time public money is involved in anything, then it has to be made public. That's a certainty. I'm not sure if that applies to funds that flow into a public entity, but I'm pretty it does. For instance, if a state office puts funds into a program and then someone else (Private) puts money into that program, then those monies are open to the same public access as the public monies. So, I think (not sure) that if athletes at a public institution like a public university receive money for playing a sport, then it should be public. Perhaps, it has been set up in a way that keeps everything separate. That doesn't seem proper to me.

Anyway, my point is to create fairness. For instance, if I bid on a project and I don't get the bid, I want to know what the other companies bid, so that I know what I'm up against. I need to know where I'm over bidding in order to fix that area and become competitive. This isn't just good for me, but also the entity putting the job out to bid.

They aren’t getting paid to play (technically). They’re getting paid for advertising and the like. “Show up to this event and you get $1000. Tweet about this product and you get $500.” Etc, etc.

Technically true maybe, but in reality, not true. Just look at the "collectives" which pay the players regardless of whether their name or face is being used anywhere.
Not gonna name specific guys but it's not hard to look at the list of starters and find guys who haven't really done ads or promos but who are certainly getting money.
It's pay for play.