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Post by CodyCat » Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:28 pm

91catAlum wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:26 pm
CodyCat wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:16 pm
As a fan, this is so frustrating. But honestly, they realize they aren’t winning a national championship at MSU. So why stay when they can get some money from a P4 non contender.
WTH are you talking about? We were a couple bad plays away from a natty last week. MSU is right there with the Dakota schools.
If they were at Idaho State or Western Illinois, then sure, they have no chance at a natty.
Yeah, I stand by what I said. The Cats blew their best chance. As long as NDSU is in the FCS, MSU will never win a National Championship.


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Post by aucat » Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:37 pm

Before NIL if we had a player having an outstanding season, they might transfer to the FBS to get more "big time" publicity for a possible NFL career. Now, it's all about the money. For example, according to most sources, Ohio State spent $20 million in NIL money in 2024. It's often said that OSU indeed has the "best team money can buy." I was so hopeful that NIL would not destroy FCS the way it has FBS, but I'm not so sure. When I say "destroy," I mean, turn college ball into NFL Lite. Actually, the NFL at least has guard rails on how teams get players. It's the Wild West in college athletics. All of those huge donationas to NIL are NOT tax deductible. I just don't see how this is sustainable. I don't know what the hell we are going to end up with. We are getting to the point where Montana State has the absolute best facilities of anyone on the FCS level, but if you have to have a bunch of billionaires donating to NIL to get and keep good players, we are in trouble.



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Post by coloradocat » Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:39 pm

CodyCat wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:28 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:26 pm
CodyCat wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:16 pm
As a fan, this is so frustrating. But honestly, they realize they aren’t winning a national championship at MSU. So why stay when they can get some money from a P4 non contender.
WTH are you talking about? We were a couple bad plays away from a natty last week. MSU is right there with the Dakota schools.
If they were at Idaho State or Western Illinois, then sure, they have no chance at a natty.
Yeah, I stand by what I said. The Cats blew their best chance. As long as NDSU is in the FCS, MSU will never win a National Championship.
The way the 24 team was hyped up and somehow surpassed the hype, yet still fell short and now loses all its senior leadership, I can see some of these guys thinking that. We don't have to believe it for them to.


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Post by KIX » Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:39 pm

bobcatbob wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:19 pm
Jon Johnson in portal
Johnson won't find a better opportunity than MSU. IMO, with guys of this caliber leaving it is not about the brotherhood anymore but more about ego.



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Post by AFCAT » Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:43 pm

aucat wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:37 pm
Before NIL if we had a player having an outstanding season, they might transfer to the FBS to get more "big time" publicity for a possible NFL career. Now, it's all about the money. For example, according to most sources, Ohio State spent $20 million in NIL money in 2024. It's often said that OSU indeed has the "best team money can buy." I was so hopeful that NIL would not destroy FCS the way it has FBS, but I'm not so sure. When I say "destroy," I mean, turn college ball into NFL Lite. Actually, the NFL at least has guard rails on how teams get players. It's the Wild West in college athletics. All of those huge donationas to NIL are NOT tax deductible. I just don't see how this is sustainable. I don't know what the hell we are going to end up with. We are getting to the point where Montana State has the absolute best facilities of anyone on the FCS level, but if you have to have a bunch of billionaires donating to NIL to get and keep good players, we are in trouble.
I agree, outside of the billionaires owning some of these college teams now, NIL definitely isn’t sustainable the way it is set up. I’m sure they will find a way to make it tax deductible for the donors though, especially for the corporate and very rich ones.

It’s going to be a wild ride going forward and I’m going to reevaluate every year how much I want to participate.


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Post by WetBreeches » Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:43 pm

Duane wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:07 pm
WetBreeches wrote:
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It's almost like the NCAA has no legal rights...but Congress is already talking about how to craft legislation to give them legal rights...the constant fight to not allow college athletes to unionize/be recognized as employees is counter productive. I say let them unionize, select a "board" of "union members", who then negotiate/bargain on their behalf. Negotiations between NCAA and college athletes union would produce legal documents that would bind both sides. Try and get the "contract" to last 6-8 years. Everything could be negotiated/bargained (transfer periods, number of transfers, number of years of eligibility). The majority of college athletes will most likely just vote "yes" if their union tells them. The greatest challenge to this model would be how the college athlete union is funded.
Congress is seeing how much $$ is being thrown around and they want a piece of the action. There is a lot that needs fixed with the system but bringing in Congress will just make it worse.
I'm not advocating for Congress to get involved...just a lot of discussion already the next Congress will get involved.



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Post by Duane » Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:45 pm

CodyCat wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:28 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:26 pm
CodyCat wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:16 pm
As a fan, this is so frustrating. But honestly, they realize they aren’t winning a national championship at MSU. So why stay when they can get some money from a P4 non contender.
WTH are you talking about? We were a couple bad plays away from a natty last week. MSU is right there with the Dakota schools.
If they were at Idaho State or Western Illinois, then sure, they have no chance at a natty.
Yeah, I stand by what I said. The Cats blew their best chance. As long as NDSU is in the FCS, MSU will never win a National Championship.
What monumental clown take.



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Post by PapaG » Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:46 pm

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We are reaching the end game of capitalism in this country. It's what everyone seems to want and it's not going back to what it once was, right or wrong, good or bad. It's great for the players and I'm glad they are finally getting their cut but it's certainly bad for team comaraderie, brotherhood building and almi mater pride.
Political discourse is allowed here if it comes from the “correct” position, right guys? If we want to have a serious conversation on labor law, capitalism, the NCAA, and Congress, open up the Discussing the Issues board again. The days of an administration threatening web hosts for allowing wrongthink thankfully appear to e over for at least 4 years.


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Post by TomCat88 » Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:53 pm

KIX wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:39 pm
bobcatbob wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:19 pm
Jon Johnson in portal
Johnson won't find a better opportunity than MSU. IMO, with guys of this caliber leaving it is not about the brotherhood anymore but more about ego.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he got/gets some money. He’s very driven to play professionally. That was one of the things he said in one of his first interviews. He’s not increasing those chances. He struck me as someone that might be so obsessed that he would try anything and since he probably hasn’t turned any scouts heads is trying something else.


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Post by CodyCat » Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:57 pm

Duane wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:45 pm
CodyCat wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:28 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:26 pm
CodyCat wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:16 pm
As a fan, this is so frustrating. But honestly, they realize they aren’t winning a national championship at MSU. So why stay when they can get some money from a P4 non contender.
WTH are you talking about? We were a couple bad plays away from a natty last week. MSU is right there with the Dakota schools.
If they were at Idaho State or Western Illinois, then sure, they have no chance at a natty.
Yeah, I stand by what I said. The Cats blew their best chance. As long as NDSU is in the FCS, MSU will never win a National Championship.
What monumental clown take.
Maybe. But just because it’s not your view doesn’t necessarily make it a clown take. MSU is very very far off from winning a National Championship.


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Post by PapaG » Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:58 pm

TomCat88 wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:53 pm
KIX wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:39 pm
bobcatbob wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:19 pm
Jon Johnson in portal
Johnson won't find a better opportunity than MSU. IMO, with guys of this caliber leaving it is not about the brotherhood anymore but more about ego.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he got/gets some money. He’s very driven to play professionally. That was one of the things he said in one of his first interviews. He’s not increasing those chances. He struck me as someone that might be so obsessed that he would try anything and since he probably hasn’t turned any scouts heads is trying something else.
How can you definitively put yourself inside of whatever he’s thinking, and also if he’s helping or hurting himself? He made a decision that he feels is best for him, yet you’re saying it isn’t. That comes across as arrogance to me.


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Post by Prodigal Cat » Sun Jan 12, 2025 2:02 pm

CodyCat wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:57 pm
Duane wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:45 pm
CodyCat wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:28 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:26 pm
CodyCat wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:16 pm
As a fan, this is so frustrating. But honestly, they realize they aren’t winning a national championship at MSU. So why stay when they can get some money from a P4 non contender.
WTH are you talking about? We were a couple bad plays away from a natty last week. MSU is right there with the Dakota schools.
If they were at Idaho State or Western Illinois, then sure, they have no chance at a natty.
Yeah, I stand by what I said. The Cats blew their best chance. As long as NDSU is in the FCS, MSU will never win a National Championship.
What monumental clown take.
Maybe. But just because it’s not your view doesn’t necessarily make it a clown take. MSU is very very far off from winning a National Championship.
We are less than a week removed from losing the NC by a FG in a game where they had the worst half of football they played all season. You need to step away from the keyboard till you can post from a point of reason.


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Post by mslacatfan » Sun Jan 12, 2025 2:05 pm

CodyCat wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:57 pm
Duane wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:45 pm
CodyCat wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:28 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:26 pm
CodyCat wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:16 pm
As a fan, this is so frustrating. But honestly, they realize they aren’t winning a national championship at MSU. So why stay when they can get some money from a P4 non contender.
WTH are you talking about? We were a couple bad plays away from a natty last week. MSU is right there with the Dakota schools.
If they were at Idaho State or Western Illinois, then sure, they have no chance at a natty.
Yeah, I stand by what I said. The Cats blew their best chance. As long as NDSU is in the FCS, MSU will never win a National Championship.
What monumental clown take.
Maybe. But just because it’s not your view doesn’t necessarily make it a clown take. MSU is very very far off from winning a National Championship.
Ha.

Dude, I’m as pissed off as anyone right now…. But you should probably just step away for a Minute and take a deep breath.

Yer just wrong. Not sure what else to say.


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Post by Duane » Sun Jan 12, 2025 2:09 pm

CodyCat wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:57 pm
Duane wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:45 pm
CodyCat wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:28 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:26 pm
CodyCat wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:16 pm
As a fan, this is so frustrating. But honestly, they realize they aren’t winning a national championship at MSU. So why stay when they can get some money from a P4 non contender.
WTH are you talking about? We were a couple bad plays away from a natty last week. MSU is right there with the Dakota schools.
If they were at Idaho State or Western Illinois, then sure, they have no chance at a natty.
Yeah, I stand by what I said. The Cats blew their best chance. As long as NDSU is in the FCS, MSU will never win a National Championship.
What monumental clown take.
Maybe. But just because it’s not your view doesn’t necessarily make it a clown take. MSU is very very far off from winning a National Championship.
WTF ? Losing by 3 points in the natty is way off from winning one ? I definitely underestimated your ability to have even dumber takes.



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Post by catsrback76 » Sun Jan 12, 2025 2:11 pm

CodyCat wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:28 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:26 pm
CodyCat wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:16 pm
As a fan, this is so frustrating. But honestly, they realize they aren’t winning a national championship at MSU. So why stay when they can get some money from a P4 non contender.
WTH are you talking about? We were a couple bad plays away from a natty last week. MSU is right there with the Dakota schools.
If they were at Idaho State or Western Illinois, then sure, they have no chance at a natty.
Yeah, I stand by what I said. The Cats blew their best chance. As long as NDSU is in the FCS, MSU will never win a National Championship.
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Post by CodyCat » Sun Jan 12, 2025 2:12 pm

mslacatfan wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 2:05 pm
CodyCat wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:57 pm
Duane wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:45 pm
CodyCat wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:28 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:26 pm
CodyCat wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:16 pm
As a fan, this is so frustrating. But honestly, they realize they aren’t winning a national championship at MSU. So why stay when they can get some money from a P4 non contender.
WTH are you talking about? We were a couple bad plays away from a natty last week. MSU is right there with the Dakota schools.
If they were at Idaho State or Western Illinois, then sure, they have no chance at a natty.
Yeah, I stand by what I said. The Cats blew their best chance. As long as NDSU is in the FCS, MSU will never win a National Championship.
What monumental clown take.
Maybe. But just because it’s not your view doesn’t necessarily make it a clown take. MSU is very very far off from winning a National Championship.
Ha.

Dude, I’m as pissed off as anyone right now…. But you should probably just step away for a Minute and take a deep breath.

Yer just wrong. Not sure what else to say.
Am I? How?


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Post by kwcat » Sun Jan 12, 2025 2:20 pm

AFCAT wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:43 pm
aucat wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:37 pm
Before NIL if we had a player having an outstanding season, they might transfer to the FBS to get more "big time" publicity for a possible NFL career. Now, it's all about the money. For example, according to most sources, Ohio State spent $20 million in NIL money in 2024. It's often said that OSU indeed has the "best team money can buy." I was so hopeful that NIL would not destroy FCS the way it has FBS, but I'm not so sure. When I say "destroy," I mean, turn college ball into NFL Lite. Actually, the NFL at least has guard rails on how teams get players. It's the Wild West in college athletics. All of those huge donationas to NIL are NOT tax deductible. I just don't see how this is sustainable. I don't know what the hell we are going to end up with. We are getting to the point where Montana State has the absolute best facilities of anyone on the FCS level, but if you have to have a bunch of billionaires donating to NIL to get and keep good players, we are in trouble.
I agree, outside of the billionaires owning some of these college teams now, NIL definitely isn’t sustainable the way it is set up. I’m sure they will find a way to make it tax deductible for the donors though, especially for the corporate and very rich ones.

It’s going to be a wild ride going forward and I’m going to reevaluate every year how much I want to participate.
As the NIL becomes bigger in colleges are spending money to develop players and have an investment it almost becomes an employment type relationship. I won’t be long till we’re seeing lawsuits. That schools developing the player will be wanting to be compensated for developing players.
Another avenue that will go hand-in-hand are the spiffs that the players are getting from gas cards groceries, vehicles, and other compensation will Garner the attention of the IRS



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Post by Lord Vigo » Sun Jan 12, 2025 2:20 pm

CodyCat wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 2:12 pm
mslacatfan wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 2:05 pm
CodyCat wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:57 pm
Duane wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:45 pm
CodyCat wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:28 pm
91catAlum wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:26 pm
CodyCat wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:16 pm
As a fan, this is so frustrating. But honestly, they realize they aren’t winning a national championship at MSU. So why stay when they can get some money from a P4 non contender.
WTH are you talking about? We were a couple bad plays away from a natty last week. MSU is right there with the Dakota schools.
If they were at Idaho State or Western Illinois, then sure, they have no chance at a natty.
Yeah, I stand by what I said. The Cats blew their best chance. As long as NDSU is in the FCS, MSU will never win a National Championship.
What monumental clown take.
Maybe. But just because it’s not your view doesn’t necessarily make it a clown take. MSU is very very far off from winning a National Championship.
Ha.

Dude, I’m as pissed off as anyone right now…. But you should probably just step away for a Minute and take a deep breath.

Yer just wrong. Not sure what else to say.
Am I? How?
You obviously know how. If you want to be all up in your feelings, that’s your prerogative. But don’t try to spin it as rationality. We’re not idiots.



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Post by BelligerentBobcat » Sun Jan 12, 2025 2:20 pm

coloradocat wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:20 pm
MSU01 wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 12:43 pm
Two choices, obsess over the players who are leaving or realize that nobody is irreplaceable, appreciate the players who are committed to the program, and trust the coaches to bring in and develop replacements who are just as good or better than those leaving. I know which option I'll pick.
The last 3 guys in the portal are definitely replaceable. Good riddance.
I would argue that Powdrell and Johnson will be the hardest transfers to replace.



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Post by TomCat88 » Sun Jan 12, 2025 2:21 pm

PapaG wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:58 pm
TomCat88 wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:53 pm
KIX wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:39 pm
bobcatbob wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:19 pm
Jon Johnson in portal
Johnson won't find a better opportunity than MSU. IMO, with guys of this caliber leaving it is not about the brotherhood anymore but more about ego.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he got/gets some money. He’s very driven to play professionally. That was one of the things he said in one of his first interviews. He’s not increasing those chances. He struck me as someone that might be so obsessed that he would try anything and since he probably hasn’t turned any scouts heads is trying something else.
How can you definitively put yourself inside of whatever he’s thinking, and also if he’s helping or hurting himself? He made a decision that he feels is best for him, yet you’re saying it isn’t. That comes across as arrogance to me.
Definitively?
“He struck me as someone that might…”


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