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[BelligerentBobcat]

Now the question becomes, what's going on with the program? Clearly something is happening within the program, and that something isn't positive.

Oh please. This isn't hard you guys. These kids are getting floated huge offers from 3rd parties and they don't want to turn down the potential of going to the Power 4 and getting paid handsomely for it. Moore, Humphrey, Jones, Powdrell, and now potentially Johnson and Polidore are all going to get paid. Dru has a shot at making a lot of money and he likely found out how much in the past 5 days.

As for guys like Alexander, thats a tale as old as time with WRs.

Is this a problem with the program? No...but it's something we better be recruiting for every year. Holes will have to be filled through developing high schoolers (which we are obviously very good at) or finding Rohan's every year (mercenaries). It certainly doesn't feel good but we don't have the collective or FCOA that the Bison have. Adapt or die I suppose.

Sorry, but Powdrell, Johnson, and I'd argue even Polidore are not P4 players. Anybody telling them otherwise is feeding them BS. Is making a bunch of money to be a back up more important than playing? I remember when transfers transfered because they didn't get to play. Now transfers transfer because they can get paid, whether they play or not.

I don't think Polidore leaves unless he knows he has P4 offers waiting. I agree with you on the other two. As fans, just don't get too attached to transfer players or our really good high school players. Sounds fun to be a fan!

I get that Polidore probably has P4 offers, but I don't see him being a starting safety at a P4 school, unless it's a bottom feeder. It's crazy SDSU and NDSU have had so many guys return to try to win titles, or in SDSUs case, go back to back, yet we can't keep guys trying to get one. How much more money does NDSU have than us to keep Lance??

A lot more.

[VimSince03]

Turning into a Private Hudson cult.

And how many movies later are the Aliens kicking ass. Dude was onto something

[nanacat]

If we have to wait 3 weeks for some good news that's going to be awesome

[BobcatBuiltTexan]

Whaaaat?

All I'll say is this young man left for reasons outside of football... cut him a little slack. I will not divulge his personal business but him leaving has nothing to do with msu or football.

I love your inputs, however, hard to cut slack when our program stuck their neck out for him, so he can enjoy this extra season. Also, Idaho will solve his problems? Sounds like he needs to face and challenge adversity.

Since you seem to be in the know, you working in bringing us up some talent that aren’t in it for the money but want to win a damn championship and big be dog?

Feel how you want to feel..... as stated he is doing what he feels he HAS to do over what he WANTS to do. Guy was ac starting wr for a team that just went to the NC, is going to a team that got blown out by the team he's leaving.... TWICE.. and your response is he needs to face adversity? Lolol I mean what is more adverse than going to a team that you beat the crud out of twice???

Well what I'll tell you is if you want good players you're going to have to pay them so making it seem like players that want to get paid for what they do is a bad thing really falls flat on me. You got a roster full of guys that will be darn good next year... there is no reason to panic and lose your mind. Everyone that has left has a replacement that is just as good if not better.... relax

You said it’s not about ‘MSU or Football’ so doesn’t seem it matters if he goes and plays for the Mud Dogs, sounds like when the going gets tough in his personal life he leaves.

Also, you’ve stated prior that it’s not about the money to players. So how many years is Jhase planning on playing one or if we are lucky two? How is there suppose to be a team when not one of these kids seems to actually care about the team. When I competed in college athletics it was taboo and frowned upon to leave, also many coaches would not think twice to pick up a lateral transfer.

You don't know what he's dealing with in his personal life so once again I'll say ease back.

I don't know how long jhase will be there. I'm not in his inner circle but I'm close to it. Well I don't know how long ago you played but I played in the late 90s-00s and we didn't care if you left. And that was when you had to sit out. If you left you had your reasons and we all respected that.

You say they don't care about then team I would challenge you to tell me how staying shows you care about the team. What I don't think you get is that whether an athlete stays or goes they are choosing the best situation for them at THAT PARTICULAR moment. So a player staying doesn't mean they care about the team more or less they are making the best decision for themselves.

[VimSince03]

Now the question becomes, what's going on with the program? Clearly something is happening within the program, and that something isn't positive.

Oh please. This isn't hard you guys. These kids are getting floated huge offers from 3rd parties and they don't want to turn down the potential of going to the Power 4 and getting paid handsomely for it. Moore, Humphrey, Jones, Powdrell, and now potentially Johnson and Polidore are all going to get paid. Dru has a shot at making a lot of money and he likely found out how much in the past 5 days.

As for guys like Alexander, thats a tale as old as time with WRs.

Is this a problem with the program? No...but it's something we better be recruiting for every year. Holes will have to be filled through developing high schoolers (which we are obviously very good at) or finding Rohan's every year (mercenaries). It certainly doesn't feel good but we don't have the collective or FCOA that the Bison have. Adapt or die I suppose.

Sorry, but Powdrell, Johnson, and I'd argue even Polidore are not P4 players. Anybody telling them otherwise is feeding them BS. Is making a bunch of money to be a back up more important than playing? I remember when transfers transfered because they didn't get to play. Now transfers transfer because they can get paid, whether they play or not.

I don't think Polidore leaves unless he knows he has P4 offers waiting. I agree with you on the other two. As fans, just don't get too attached to transfer players or our really good high school players. Sounds fun to be a fan!

I get that Polidore probably has P4 offers, but I don't see him being a starting safety at a P4 school, unless it's a bottom feeder. It's crazy SDSU and NDSU have had so many guys return to try to win titles, or in SDSUs case, go back to back, yet we can't keep guys trying to get one. How much more money does NDSU have than us to keep Lance??

I've heard NDSU has close to $6 million in their collective on top of the school perks they offer. Quiee a bit more.

[Bobcatsinmso]

[SparkCat]

Now the question becomes, what's going on with the program? Clearly something is happening within the program, and that something isn't positive.

Oh please. This isn't hard you guys. These kids are getting floated huge offers from 3rd parties and they don't want to turn down the potential of going to the Power 4 and getting paid handsomely for it. Moore, Humphrey, Jones, Powdrell, and now potentially Johnson and Polidore are all going to get paid. Dru has a shot at making a lot of money and he likely found out how much in the past 5 days.

As for guys like Alexander, thats a tale as old as time with WRs.

Is this a problem with the program? No...but it's something we better be recruiting for every year. Holes will have to be filled through developing high schoolers (which we are obviously very good at) or finding Rohan's every year (mercenaries). It certainly doesn't feel good but we don't have the collective or FCOA that the Bison have. Adapt or die I suppose.

Sorry, but Powdrell, Johnson, and I'd argue even Polidore are not P4 players. Anybody telling them otherwise is feeding them BS. Is making a bunch of money to be a back up more important than playing? I remember when transfers transfered because they didn't get to play. Now transfers transfer because they can get paid, whether they play or not.

I don't think Polidore leaves unless he knows he has P4 offers waiting. I agree with you on the other two. As fans, just don't get too attached to transfer players or our really good high school players. Sounds fun to be a fan!

I get that Polidore probably has P4 offers, but I don't see him being a starting safety at a P4 school, unless it's a bottom feeder. It's crazy SDSU and NDSU have had so many guys return to try to win titles, or in SDSUs case, go back to back, yet we can't keep guys trying to get one. How much more money does NDSU have than us to keep Lance??

Maybe this will motivate some more to start throwing money to the collective. I really am questioning it, however, I’ll do so for another year or two, if things don’t change I’m done.

[VimSince03]

If we have to wait 3 weeks for some good news that's going to be awesome

Good news will happen over the next three weeks. What I'm hearing, the good news should start as soon as tomorrow.

[KIX]

Well Bobcat Nation, we may be entering another era of the dark ages. Dudes leaving left and right, and coaching staff can’t bring in a single player. What a joke.

We literally haven't even got to our player addition part of the off-season ladies and gentlemen. We are a week from the title game. People have every right to be upset but this is how these things go now.

Polidore, Johnson, and Powdrell leaving takes top talent away from the secondary but we've recruited well there and in high volume. Buckle in and let's at least see who we have added by signing day. SDSU just added like 5 dropdown FBS players. I'm not too concerned.

Better get started on the "player addition" part of your post quickly or we'll be on the outside looking in...

Yup none left I hear...

Three weeks until signing day and visits started this weekend. I'd expect 10-15 additions by signing day. Portal additions and some more high schoolers.

I'll be waiting patiently for the announcements.

[Catsrgrood]

Now the question becomes, what's going on with the program? Clearly something is happening within the program, and that something isn't positive.

Oh please. This isn't hard you guys. These kids are getting floated huge offers from 3rd parties and they don't want to turn down the potential of going to the Power 4 and getting paid handsomely for it. Moore, Humphrey, Jones, Powdrell, and now potentially Johnson and Polidore are all going to get paid. Dru has a shot at making a lot of money and he likely found out how much in the past 5 days.

As for guys like Alexander, thats a tale as old as time with WRs.

Is this a problem with the program? No...but it's something we better be recruiting for every year. Holes will have to be filled through developing high schoolers (which we are obviously very good at) or finding Rohan's every year (mercenaries). It certainly doesn't feel good but we don't have the collective or FCOA that the Bison have. Adapt or die I suppose.

Sorry, but Powdrell, Johnson, and I'd argue even Polidore are not P4 players. Anybody telling them otherwise is feeding them BS. Is making a bunch of money to be a back up more important than playing? I remember when transfers transfered because they didn't get to play. Now transfers transfer because they can get paid, whether they play or not.

I don't think Polidore leaves unless he knows he has P4 offers waiting. I agree with you on the other two. As fans, just don't get too attached to transfer players or our really good high school players. Sounds fun to be a fan!

I get that Polidore probably has P4 offers, but I don't see him being a starting safety at a P4 school, unless it's a bottom feeder. It's crazy SDSU and NDSU have had so many guys return to try to win titles, or in SDSUs case, go back to back, yet we can't keep guys trying to get one. How much more money does NDSU have than us to keep Lance??

I've heard NDSU has close to $6 million in their collective on top of the school perks they offer. Quiee a bit more.

How does that compare to what the Bobcat collective has? I don’t know that I’ve ever really heard a number.
Is $6 million double ours, triple? Less?

[nanacat]

If we have to wait 3 weeks for some good news that's going to be awesome

Good news will happen over the next three weeks. What I'm hearing, the good news should start as soon as tomorrow.

I sure hope so, cuz these last 5 days have been pretty depressing.

[AFCAT]

Future of college football folks. You do have to wonder if we would have won the Natty if it would have changed anything…I don’t know that it would have. Most of these kids are going to go where the money is.

Winning the Natty would have made it even easier for some of them to leave for the money. You can’t get higher than winning a Natty and it’s an easier decision to go for personal goals after that.

AF on your recruit page, which thank you for doing that, it’s a hell of a lot of work on top of what ever else you have going on in life. Are possible recruited portal dudes shown as a *portal player, or am I best to click on links and investigate? I’m happy doing that, just don’t want to make sure I’m missing something more obvious.

The Cats don’t have any commits or offered recruits from the portal yet. When they do, I’ll list the school they are currently at.

Thanks man!

You’re welcome and I don’t have a lot more going on in my life.

[91catAlum]

If we have to wait 3 weeks for some good news that's going to be awesome

Good news will happen over the next three weeks. What I'm hearing, the good news should start as soon as tomorrow.

Well school starts this week, so that would be good.

[91catAlum]

Now the question becomes, what's going on with the program? Clearly something is happening within the program, and that something isn't positive.

Oh please. This isn't hard you guys. These kids are getting floated huge offers from 3rd parties and they don't want to turn down the potential of going to the Power 4 and getting paid handsomely for it. Moore, Humphrey, Jones, Powdrell, and now potentially Johnson and Polidore are all going to get paid. Dru has a shot at making a lot of money and he likely found out how much in the past 5 days.

As for guys like Alexander, thats a tale as old as time with WRs.

Is this a problem with the program? No...but it's something we better be recruiting for every year. Holes will have to be filled through developing high schoolers (which we are obviously very good at) or finding Rohan's every year (mercenaries). It certainly doesn't feel good but we don't have the collective or FCOA that the Bison have. Adapt or die I suppose.

Sorry, but Powdrell, Johnson, and I'd argue even Polidore are not P4 players. Anybody telling them otherwise is feeding them BS. Is making a bunch of money to be a back up more important than playing? I remember when transfers transfered because they didn't get to play. Now transfers transfer because they can get paid, whether they play or not.

I don't think Polidore leaves unless he knows he has P4 offers waiting. I agree with you on the other two. As fans, just don't get too attached to transfer players or our really good high school players. Sounds fun to be a fan!

I get that Polidore probably has P4 offers, but I don't see him being a starting safety at a P4 school, unless it's a bottom feeder. It's crazy SDSU and NDSU have had so many guys return to try to win titles, or in SDSUs case, go back to back, yet we can't keep guys trying to get one. How much more money does NDSU have than us to keep Lance??

I've heard NDSU has close to $6 million in their collective on top of the school perks they offer. Quiee a bit more.

How does that compare to what the Bobcat collective has? I don’t know that I’ve ever really heard a number.
Is $6 million double ours, triple? Less?

I'd be shocked if MSU has more than 1 million in NIL money annually.

[SparkCat]

Whaaaat?

All I'll say is this young man left for reasons outside of football... cut him a little slack. I will not divulge his personal business but him leaving has nothing to do with msu or football.

I love your inputs, however, hard to cut slack when our program stuck their neck out for him, so he can enjoy this extra season. Also, Idaho will solve his problems? Sounds like he needs to face and challenge adversity.

Since you seem to be in the know, you working in bringing us up some talent that aren’t in it for the money but want to win a damn championship and big be dog?

Feel how you want to feel..... as stated he is doing what he feels he HAS to do over what he WANTS to do. Guy was ac starting wr for a team that just went to the NC, is going to a team that got blown out by the team he's leaving.... TWICE.. and your response is he needs to face adversity? Lolol I mean what is more adverse than going to a team that you beat the crud out of twice???

Well what I'll tell you is if you want good players you're going to have to pay them so making it seem like players that want to get paid for what they do is a bad thing really falls flat on me. You got a roster full of guys that will be darn good next year... there is no reason to panic and lose your mind. Everyone that has left has a replacement that is just as good if not better.... relax

You said it’s not about ‘MSU or Football’ so doesn’t seem it matters if he goes and plays for the Mud Dogs, sounds like when the going gets tough in his personal life he leaves.

Also, you’ve stated prior that it’s not about the money to players. So how many years is Jhase planning on playing one or if we are lucky two? How is there suppose to be a team when not one of these kids seems to actually care about the team. When I competed in college athletics it was taboo and frowned upon to leave, also many coaches would not think twice to pick up a lateral transfer.

You don't know what he's dealing with in his personal life so once again I'll say ease back.

I don't know how long jhase will be there. I'm not in his inner circle but I'm close to it. Well I don't know how long ago you played but I played in the late 90s-00s and we didn't care if you left. And that was when you had to sit out. If you left you had your reasons and we all respected that.

You say they don't care about then team I would challenge you to tell me how staying shows you care about the team. What I don't think you get is that whether an athlete stays or goes they are choosing the best situation for them at THAT PARTICULAR moment. So a player staying doesn't mean they care about the team more or less they are making the best decision for themselves.

Dammit!!! Let me have my pity party!

Also, I should back up. There were times a player would transfer and I’d be happy. Other times, I’d think they are making a terrible decision, often times we were right.

Your argument for being apart a ‘team’ is not clicking well with me. If I separate team from individual then sure it clicks. Give me some time on this, I’m just fired up and want to punt a few of these guys in the sack right now.

I actually talked to someone and have a better grasp on Alexander, maybe he caught all the punches from an overall frustration of worrying that ‘oh no we suck again’ happens.

[Catsrgrood]

Now the question becomes, what's going on with the program? Clearly something is happening within the program, and that something isn't positive.

Oh please. This isn't hard you guys. These kids are getting floated huge offers from 3rd parties and they don't want to turn down the potential of going to the Power 4 and getting paid handsomely for it. Moore, Humphrey, Jones, Powdrell, and now potentially Johnson and Polidore are all going to get paid. Dru has a shot at making a lot of money and he likely found out how much in the past 5 days.

As for guys like Alexander, thats a tale as old as time with WRs.

Is this a problem with the program? No...but it's something we better be recruiting for every year. Holes will have to be filled through developing high schoolers (which we are obviously very good at) or finding Rohan's every year (mercenaries). It certainly doesn't feel good but we don't have the collective or FCOA that the Bison have. Adapt or die I suppose.

Sorry, but Powdrell, Johnson, and I'd argue even Polidore are not P4 players. Anybody telling them otherwise is feeding them BS. Is making a bunch of money to be a back up more important than playing? I remember when transfers transfered because they didn't get to play. Now transfers transfer because they can get paid, whether they play or not.

I don't think Polidore leaves unless he knows he has P4 offers waiting. I agree with you on the other two. As fans, just don't get too attached to transfer players or our really good high school players. Sounds fun to be a fan!

I get that Polidore probably has P4 offers, but I don't see him being a starting safety at a P4 school, unless it's a bottom feeder. It's crazy SDSU and NDSU have had so many guys return to try to win titles, or in SDSUs case, go back to back, yet we can't keep guys trying to get one. How much more money does NDSU have than us to keep Lance??

I've heard NDSU has close to $6 million in their collective on top of the school perks they offer. Quiee a bit more.

How does that compare to what the Bobcat collective has? I don’t know that I’ve ever really heard a number.
Is $6 million double ours, triple? Less?

I'd be shocked if MSU has more than 1 million in NIL money annually.

Yea, that’s a massive difference if that’s the case. Maybe that “big gift” could be some collective money…

[nanacat]

Whaaaat?

All I'll say is this young man left for reasons outside of football... cut him a little slack. I will not divulge his personal business but him leaving has nothing to do with msu or football.

I love your inputs, however, hard to cut slack when our program stuck their neck out for him, so he can enjoy this extra season. Also, Idaho will solve his problems? Sounds like he needs to face and challenge adversity.

Since you seem to be in the know, you working in bringing us up some talent that aren’t in it for the money but want to win a damn championship and big be dog?

Feel how you want to feel..... as stated he is doing what he feels he HAS to do over what he WANTS to do. Guy was ac starting wr for a team that just went to the NC, is going to a team that got blown out by the team he's leaving.... TWICE.. and your response is he needs to face adversity? Lolol I mean what is more adverse than going to a team that you beat the crud out of twice???

Well what I'll tell you is if you want good players you're going to have to pay them so making it seem like players that want to get paid for what they do is a bad thing really falls flat on me. You got a roster full of guys that will be darn good next year... there is no reason to panic and lose your mind. Everyone that has left has a replacement that is just as good if not better.... relax

You said it’s not about ‘MSU or Football’ so doesn’t seem it matters if he goes and plays for the Mud Dogs, sounds like when the going gets tough in his personal life he leaves.

Also, you’ve stated prior that it’s not about the money to players. So how many years is Jhase planning on playing one or if we are lucky two? How is there suppose to be a team when not one of these kids seems to actually care about the team. When I competed in college athletics it was taboo and frowned upon to leave, also many coaches would not think twice to pick up a lateral transfer.

You don't know what he's dealing with in his personal life so once again I'll say ease back.

I don't know how long jhase will be there. I'm not in his inner circle but I'm close to it. Well I don't know how long ago you played but I played in the late 90s-00s and we didn't care if you left. And that was when you had to sit out. If you left you had your reasons and we all respected that.

You say they don't care about then team I would challenge you to tell me how staying shows you care about the team. What I don't think you get is that whether an athlete stays or goes they are choosing the best situation for them at THAT PARTICULAR moment. So a player staying doesn't mean they care about the team more or less they are making the best decision for themselves.

BBT, I respect alot of your input, but your last paragraph plays totally into the entitlement culture that is doing our young people no good at all. Life is not always all about self nor should it be. When you choose to play team sports it is about the team and what's best for the team. There are valuable lessons to be learned and one of those is committing to a common goal and working with your teammates to accomplish that. Focusing on "getting what's mine" is a terrible attitude. Commitment, teamwork, sacrifice all lead to life skills that will take them far. Jumping from team to team, job to job, relationship to relationship only reflects selfishness and really won't get a young man far. This whole portal thing feeds greed, selfishness, and entitlement, and will not only ruin college football, but will ruin many young men as well. And that's just sad. "The love of money is the root of all kinds of evil", the Bible says. And we see that play out every day all over the world. It's just too bad we can't protect these young men from getting sucked into that.

[Bobcatsinmso]

That a way Jones, we know your good.

[nanacat]

That a way Jones, we know your good.

Love it!

[Lord Vigo]

I’m done pretending.

If they care more about the money than the team, fine. That’s their prerogative but we don’t have to celebrate it. At some point in our culture, people decided that it’s moral to do virtually anything as long as you’re getting paid enough.

I’m not doing to do this silly song and dance about how they really do care so much about MSU and their brothers, it’s not only about money, “go be great!” blah blah blah.

Call a spade a spade. These guys who are here for a year or two and then move on again are mercenaries and for them it’s about the money— not the people, the community, the program, or the investment made in them.

I’ll cheer on the guys who love MSU and choose to stay.