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[GoldstoneCat]

If you're mad about these guys leaving that's defensible. It's frustrating when "we" (the university, athletic dept, boosters and yes fans) invest time and money in these kids and then they take off. But I know this thread is going to turn the other way when we start announcing the next group of "mercenaries" coming in to fortify next year's team. And we'll love watching them play. And then some will leave. And we'll do all this again.

[TomCat88]

Eventually there will be about 15-20 schools that each have about ten franchises set up at other universities and colleges. 2-3 that compete at the top level. The rest in FCs d2 and d3.

[CodyCat]

I guess we know Jhase McMillan will be leaving as soon as he gets a pay day! Buyer beware, stay away from his NIL shop goods!!!

You nor I know that... but do as you please. He's a good kid that if you ask any coach, player or parent about him will have nothing but positive things to say... it's what it is

I’m frustrated too. But to make decisions on how you feel about a player or if you’re going to support them because of other players isn’t quite right. Support the guys while they are here.

[SparkCat]

Eventually there will be about 15-20 schools that each have about ten franchises set up at other universities and colleges. 2-3 that compete at the top level. The rest in FCs d2 and d3.

Then eventually a group of college athletes will have enough of this crap, they will create a sport that combines baseball and basketball and all will be right again.

[TomCat88]

If you're mad about these guys leaving that's defensible. It's frustrating when "we" (the university, athletic dept, boosters and yes fans) invest time and money in these kids and then they take off. But I know this thread is going to turn the other way when we start announcing the next group of "mercenaries" coming in to fortify next year's team. And we'll love watching them play. And then some will leave. And we'll do all this again.

Nostradamus, the Amazing Kreskin, Drew Barrymore (Firestarter) would be proud of you.

[Lord Vigo]

If you're mad about these guys leaving that's defensible. It's frustrating when "we" (the university, athletic dept, boosters and yes fans) invest time and money in these kids and then they take off. But I know this thread is going to turn the other way when we start announcing the next group of "mercenaries" coming in to fortify next year's team. And we'll love watching them play. And then some will leave. And we'll do all this again.

Players dropping down because they want to see the field has always been a part of college football.

It’s a false equivalence to say that’s the same thing as players bailing for cash.

[griz5700]

I’m done pretending.

If they care more about the money than the team, fine. That’s their prerogative but we don’t have to celebrate it. At some point in our culture, people decided that it’s moral to do virtually anything as long as you’re getting paid enough.

I’m not doing to do this silly song and dance about how they really do care so much about MSU and their brothers, it’s not only about money, “go be great!” blah blah blah.

Call a spade a spade. These guys who are here for a year or two and then move on again are mercenaries and for them it’s about the money— not the people, the community, the program, or the investment made in them.

I’ll cheer on the guys who love MSU and choose to stay.

As a fan and booster, it's tough to take.

Schools like MSU will never be able to keep great players on the roster for more than 1 year, from now on. At least not out of state players. And that is going to make it more difficult to stay on top year after year. Some years you just aren't going to find talented replacements for every guy you lose to the portal.

Or you get lucky with a kid like Eli Gilman, who comes from a rich family, and also genuinely love Montana.

I heard the griz collective emptied their coffers to get him to stay, and they don't have a lot left to pay everyone else.
So I guess that's one approach, pick a small number of guys you really wanna keep and pay them each 100k. Then spread the rest around as much as you can.

Would have spent that money elsewhere. There’s a reason NFL teams don’t pay RBs.

[BobcatBuiltTexan]

I guess we know Jhase McMillan will be leaving as soon as he gets a pay day! Buyer beware, stay away from his NIL shop goods!!!

You nor I know that... but do as you please. He's a good kid that if you ask any coach, player or parent about him will have nothing but positive things to say... it's what it is

I’m frustrated too. But to make decisions on how you feel about a player or if you’re going to support them because of other players isn’t quite right. Support the guys while they are here.

What I can say is Jhase's dad stays away from this board purposefully. And jhase rarely gets on social media at all. He, jhase, could careless if you support him or not... the kid is focused and outside voices mean little to him... if he cared about what people thought he wouldn't be at Montana St in the first place so take that for what it's worth.....

[Lord Vigo]

This whole gross situation brings these words to mind:

“In a sort of ghastly simplicity we remove the organ and demand the function. We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honour and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and bid the geldings be fruitful.”

-C.S. Lewis

[nanacat]

Whaaaat?

All I'll say is this young man left for reasons outside of football... cut him a little slack. I will not divulge his personal business but him leaving has nothing to do with msu or football.

I love your inputs, however, hard to cut slack when our program stuck their neck out for him, so he can enjoy this extra season. Also, Idaho will solve his problems? Sounds like he needs to face and challenge adversity.

Since you seem to be in the know, you working in bringing us up some talent that aren’t in it for the money but want to win a damn championship and big be dog?

Feel how you want to feel..... as stated he is doing what he feels he HAS to do over what he WANTS to do. Guy was ac starting wr for a team that just went to the NC, is going to a team that got blown out by the team he's leaving.... TWICE.. and your response is he needs to face adversity? Lolol I mean what is more adverse than going to a team that you beat the crud out of twice???

Well what I'll tell you is if you want good players you're going to have to pay them so making it seem like players that want to get paid for what they do is a bad thing really falls flat on me. You got a roster full of guys that will be darn good next year... there is no reason to panic and lose your mind. Everyone that has left has a replacement that is just as good if not better.... relax

You said it’s not about ‘MSU or Football’ so doesn’t seem it matters if he goes and plays for the Mud Dogs, sounds like when the going gets tough in his personal life he leaves.

Also, you’ve stated prior that it’s not about the money to players. So how many years is Jhase planning on playing one or if we are lucky two? How is there suppose to be a team when not one of these kids seems to actually care about the team. When I competed in college athletics it was taboo and frowned upon to leave, also many coaches would not think twice to pick up a lateral transfer.

You don't know what he's dealing with in his personal life so once again I'll say ease back.

I don't know how long jhase will be there. I'm not in his inner circle but I'm close to it. Well I don't know how long ago you played but I played in the late 90s-00s and we didn't care if you left. And that was when you had to sit out. If you left you had your reasons and we all respected that.

You say they don't care about then team I would challenge you to tell me how staying shows you care about the team. What I don't think you get is that whether an athlete stays or goes they are choosing the best situation for them at THAT PARTICULAR moment. So a player staying doesn't mean they care about the team more or less they are making the best decision for themselves.

BBT, I respect alot of your input, but your last paragraph plays totally into the entitlement culture that is doing our young people no good at all. Life is not always all about self nor should it be. When you choose to play team sports it is about the team and what's best for the team. There are valuable lessons to be learned and one of those is committing to a common goal and working with your teammates to accomplish that. Focusing on "getting what's mine" is a terrible attitude. Commitment, teamwork, sacrifice all lead to life skills that will take them far. Jumping from team to team, job to job, relationship to relationship only reflects selfishness and really won't get a young man far. This whole portal thing feeds greed, selfishness, and entitlement, and will not only ruin college football, but will ruin many young men as well. And that's just sad. "The love of money is the root of all kinds of evil", the Bible says. And we see that play out every day all over the world. It's just too bad we can't protect these young men from getting sucked into that.

I equally respect your stance but I disagree. You are coming from a stance that if you don't sacrifice yourself for the betterment of my team then you can't do or get all that you just articulated.

I would trek you that you are very wrong in your take. An athlete doesn't have to sacrifice their upward mobility to work hard to achieve a common goal(they can do that on the next team)....I don't see it as entitlement is what they have worked hard for and earned. They earned their pay days, through decades of hard work. You act like because a player leaves they aren't showing any form of commitment, teamwork or sacrifice... most so just not for the team they are leaving. I know it sucks for the team they are leaving but to act like these kids don't have the morality it takes to be great men because they are capitalizing on their window is a pretty shallow take.

Many of these kids aren't going to play in the nfl, so being able to get 1-2yrs of 6 figures puts you way ahead when you're done playing. I don't know all the kids in the portal personally but I can tell you that polidore has been raised right and possess every quality you would want in a young man.

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying because that's the truth. When you accept an offer, and all the perks that come with it, you should commit. Team hopping, committing to whatever team you're playing for at the moment isn't commitment. Frankly, neither is coaches hopping, but that's another subject.
Playing college football, any college sport for that matter, is a choice. That choice comes with work, dedication, long days, late nights, but they are also given opportunities that regular students don't receive like extensive tutoring, weight and nutrition training and support, etc. What has been lost is this is school first, athletics second. The focus has changed from I'm going to play college ball, get my degree, maybe try out for the league if my numbers are good enough, then get a job and live my life, to I'm going to use this school as a stepping stone to be pulling a 6 figure income at 23 or 24 years old, degree or not, who cares? This is wrong! Why should a college QB make $4 million when a pro makes less than half of that? What are we teaching our young people???? Now, for those who have graduated, who have a year of eligibility left, as a fan, I want them to stay, but I can understand their desire to see what options are out there. However, I truly think this portal is setting the majority of FCS players up for disappointment. There are some who will get the big bucks. There's many more, especially starters, who by next May might be wondering why they made such a stupid decision to leave.

[coloradocat]

I guess we know Jhase McMillan will be leaving as soon as he gets a pay day! Buyer beware, stay away from his NIL shop goods!!!

You nor I know that... but do as you please. He's a good kid that if you ask any coach, player or parent about him will have nothing but positive things to say... it's what it is

I’m frustrated too. But to make decisions on how you feel about a player or if you’re going to support them because of other players isn’t quite right. Support the guys while they are here.

What I can say is Jhase's dad stays away from this board purposefully. And jhase rarely gets on social media at all. He, jhase, could careless if you support him or not... the kid is focused and outside voices mean little to him... if he cared about what people thought he wouldn't be at Montana St in the first place so take that for what it's worth.....

Is that unique or do a lot of players/families visit BN?

[SparkCat]

Whaaaat?

All I'll say is this young man left for reasons outside of football... cut him a little slack. I will not divulge his personal business but him leaving has nothing to do with msu or football.

I love your inputs, however, hard to cut slack when our program stuck their neck out for him, so he can enjoy this extra season. Also, Idaho will solve his problems? Sounds like he needs to face and challenge adversity.

Since you seem to be in the know, you working in bringing us up some talent that aren’t in it for the money but want to win a damn championship and big be dog?

Feel how you want to feel..... as stated he is doing what he feels he HAS to do over what he WANTS to do. Guy was ac starting wr for a team that just went to the NC, is going to a team that got blown out by the team he's leaving.... TWICE.. and your response is he needs to face adversity? Lolol I mean what is more adverse than going to a team that you beat the crud out of twice???

Well what I'll tell you is if you want good players you're going to have to pay them so making it seem like players that want to get paid for what they do is a bad thing really falls flat on me. You got a roster full of guys that will be darn good next year... there is no reason to panic and lose your mind. Everyone that has left has a replacement that is just as good if not better.... relax

You said it’s not about ‘MSU or Football’ so doesn’t seem it matters if he goes and plays for the Mud Dogs, sounds like when the going gets tough in his personal life he leaves.

Also, you’ve stated prior that it’s not about the money to players. So how many years is Jhase planning on playing one or if we are lucky two? How is there suppose to be a team when not one of these kids seems to actually care about the team. When I competed in college athletics it was taboo and frowned upon to leave, also many coaches would not think twice to pick up a lateral transfer.

You don't know what he's dealing with in his personal life so once again I'll say ease back.

I don't know how long jhase will be there. I'm not in his inner circle but I'm close to it. Well I don't know how long ago you played but I played in the late 90s-00s and we didn't care if you left. And that was when you had to sit out. If you left you had your reasons and we all respected that.

You say they don't care about then team I would challenge you to tell me how staying shows you care about the team. What I don't think you get is that whether an athlete stays or goes they are choosing the best situation for them at THAT PARTICULAR moment. So a player staying doesn't mean they care about the team more or less they are making the best decision for themselves.

BBT, I respect alot of your input, but your last paragraph plays totally into the entitlement culture that is doing our young people no good at all. Life is not always all about self nor should it be. When you choose to play team sports it is about the team and what's best for the team. There are valuable lessons to be learned and one of those is committing to a common goal and working with your teammates to accomplish that. Focusing on "getting what's mine" is a terrible attitude. Commitment, teamwork, sacrifice all lead to life skills that will take them far. Jumping from team to team, job to job, relationship to relationship only reflects selfishness and really won't get a young man far. This whole portal thing feeds greed, selfishness, and entitlement, and will not only ruin college football, but will ruin many young men as well. And that's just sad. "The love of money is the root of all kinds of evil", the Bible says. And we see that play out every day all over the world. It's just too bad we can't protect these young men from getting sucked into that.

I equally respect your stance but I disagree. You are coming from a stance that if you don't sacrifice yourself for the betterment of my team then you can't do or get all that you just articulated.

I would trek you that you are very wrong in your take. An athlete doesn't have to sacrifice their upward mobility to work hard to achieve a common goal(they can do that on the next team)....I don't see it as entitlement is what they have worked hard for and earned. They earned their pay days, through decades of hard work. You act like because a player leaves they aren't showing any form of commitment, teamwork or sacrifice... most so just not for the team they are leaving. I know it sucks for the team they are leaving but to act like these kids don't have the morality it takes to be great men because they are capitalizing on their window is a pretty shallow take.

Many of these kids aren't going to play in the nfl, so being able to get 1-2yrs of 6 figures puts you way ahead when you're done playing. I don't know all the kids in the portal personally but I can tell you that polidore has been raised right and possess every quality you would want in a young man.

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying because that's the truth. When you accept an offer, and all the perks that come with it, you should commit. Team hopping, committing to whatever team you're playing for at the moment isn't commitment. Frankly, neither is coaches hopping, but that's another subject.
Playing college football, any college sport for that matter, is a choice. That choice comes with work, dedication, long days, late nights, but they are also given opportunities that regular students don't receive like extensive tutoring, weight and nutrition training and support, etc. What has been lost is this is school first, athletics second. The focus has changed from I'm going to play college ball, get my degree, maybe try out for the league if my numbers are good enough, then get a job and live my life, to I'm going to use this school as a stepping stone to be pulling a 6 figure income at 23 or 24 years old, degree or not, who cares? This is wrong! Why should a college QB make $4 million when a pro makes less than half of that? What are we teaching our young people???? Now, for those who have graduated, who have a year of eligibility left, as a fan, I want them to stay, but I can understand their desire to see what options are out there. However, I truly think this portal is setting the majority of FCS players up for disappointment. There are some who will get the big bucks. There's many more, especially starters, who by next May might be wondering why they made such a stupid decision to leave.

I can only imagine what divorce rates are going to start looking like.

[JimboCat]

If we have 5-10 players that move up to the P4 with big offers each year, going to win a lot of games.

[nanacat]

Whaaaat?

All I'll say is this young man left for reasons outside of football... cut him a little slack. I will not divulge his personal business but him leaving has nothing to do with msu or football.

I love your inputs, however, hard to cut slack when our program stuck their neck out for him, so he can enjoy this extra season. Also, Idaho will solve his problems? Sounds like he needs to face and challenge adversity.

Since you seem to be in the know, you working in bringing us up some talent that aren’t in it for the money but want to win a damn championship and big be dog?

Feel how you want to feel..... as stated he is doing what he feels he HAS to do over what he WANTS to do. Guy was ac starting wr for a team that just went to the NC, is going to a team that got blown out by the team he's leaving.... TWICE.. and your response is he needs to face adversity? Lolol I mean what is more adverse than going to a team that you beat the crud out of twice???

Well what I'll tell you is if you want good players you're going to have to pay them so making it seem like players that want to get paid for what they do is a bad thing really falls flat on me. You got a roster full of guys that will be darn good next year... there is no reason to panic and lose your mind. Everyone that has left has a replacement that is just as good if not better.... relax

You said it’s not about ‘MSU or Football’ so doesn’t seem it matters if he goes and plays for the Mud Dogs, sounds like when the going gets tough in his personal life he leaves.

Also, you’ve stated prior that it’s not about the money to players. So how many years is Jhase planning on playing one or if we are lucky two? How is there suppose to be a team when not one of these kids seems to actually care about the team. When I competed in college athletics it was taboo and frowned upon to leave, also many coaches would not think twice to pick up a lateral transfer.

You don't know what he's dealing with in his personal life so once again I'll say ease back.

I don't know how long jhase will be there. I'm not in his inner circle but I'm close to it. Well I don't know how long ago you played but I played in the late 90s-00s and we didn't care if you left. And that was when you had to sit out. If you left you had your reasons and we all respected that.

You say they don't care about then team I would challenge you to tell me how staying shows you care about the team. What I don't think you get is that whether an athlete stays or goes they are choosing the best situation for them at THAT PARTICULAR moment. So a player staying doesn't mean they care about the team more or less they are making the best decision for themselves.

BBT, I respect alot of your input, but your last paragraph plays totally into the entitlement culture that is doing our young people no good at all. Life is not always all about self nor should it be. When you choose to play team sports it is about the team and what's best for the team. There are valuable lessons to be learned and one of those is committing to a common goal and working with your teammates to accomplish that. Focusing on "getting what's mine" is a terrible attitude. Commitment, teamwork, sacrifice all lead to life skills that will take them far. Jumping from team to team, job to job, relationship to relationship only reflects selfishness and really won't get a young man far. This whole portal thing feeds greed, selfishness, and entitlement, and will not only ruin college football, but will ruin many young men as well. And that's just sad. "The love of money is the root of all kinds of evil", the Bible says. And we see that play out every day all over the world. It's just too bad we can't protect these young men from getting sucked into that.

I equally respect your stance but I disagree. You are coming from a stance that if you don't sacrifice yourself for the betterment of my team then you can't do or get all that you just articulated.

I would trek you that you are very wrong in your take. An athlete doesn't have to sacrifice their upward mobility to work hard to achieve a common goal(they can do that on the next team)....I don't see it as entitlement is what they have worked hard for and earned. They earned their pay days, through decades of hard work. You act like because a player leaves they aren't showing any form of commitment, teamwork or sacrifice... most so just not for the team they are leaving. I know it sucks for the team they are leaving but to act like these kids don't have the morality it takes to be great men because they are capitalizing on their window is a pretty shallow take.

Many of these kids aren't going to play in the nfl, so being able to get 1-2yrs of 6 figures puts you way ahead when you're done playing. I don't know all the kids in the portal personally but I can tell you that polidore has been raised right and possess every quality you would want in a young man.

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying because that's the truth. When you accept an offer, and all the perks that come with it, you should commit. Team hopping, committing to whatever team you're playing for at the moment isn't commitment. Frankly, neither is coaches hopping, but that's another subject.
Playing college football, any college sport for that matter, is a choice. That choice comes with work, dedication, long days, late nights, but they are also given opportunities that regular students don't receive like extensive tutoring, weight and nutrition training and support, etc. What has been lost is this is school first, athletics second. The focus has changed from I'm going to play college ball, get my degree, maybe try out for the league if my numbers are good enough, then get a job and live my life, to I'm going to use this school as a stepping stone to be pulling a 6 figure income at 23 or 24 years old, degree or not, who cares? This is wrong! Why should a college QB make $4 million when a pro makes less than half of that? What are we teaching our young people???? Now, for those who have graduated, who have a year of eligibility left, as a fan, I want them to stay, but I can understand their desire to see what options are out there. However, I truly think this portal is setting the majority of FCS players up for disappointment. There are some who will get the big bucks. There's many more, especially starters, who by next May might be wondering why they made such a stupid decision to leave.

I can only imagine what divorce rates are going to start looking like.

Well they're already high. But this is our culture. All we can control is us, raise our kids right I guess, but even that's not a guarantee. Money talks, it causes otherwise good people to do bad things, but it's necessary to live in this world. How much is necessary, is quite another thing. I'm just disappointed in how this week has gone. Really thought making the NC after a 15-0 season would keep some loyalty among key players. The players that are choosing to stay are the new key players and for them I'm grateful.

[tetoncat]

Should have taken the $40 or so million for that BAC and IPF and put into portal I guess. Maybe facilities don't matter.

[AFCAT]

I guess we know Jhase McMillan will be leaving as soon as he gets a pay day! Buyer beware, stay away from his NIL shop goods!!!

You nor I know that... but do as you please. He's a good kid that if you ask any coach, player or parent about him will have nothing but positive things to say... it's what it is

I’m frustrated too. But to make decisions on how you feel about a player or if you’re going to support them because of other players isn’t quite right. Support the guys while they are here.

What I can say is Jhase's dad stays away from this board purposefully. And jhase rarely gets on social media at all. He, jhase, could careless if you support him or not... the kid is focused and outside voices mean little to him... if he cared about what people thought he wouldn't be at Montana St in the first place so take that for what it's worth.....

Yeah, I, not sure what Jhase has to do with this. To pick him out is kind of bizarre.

[BobcatBuiltTexan]

Whaaaat?

All I'll say is this young man left for reasons outside of football... cut him a little slack. I will not divulge his personal business but him leaving has nothing to do with msu or football.

I love your inputs, however, hard to cut slack when our program stuck their neck out for him, so he can enjoy this extra season. Also, Idaho will solve his problems? Sounds like he needs to face and challenge adversity.

Since you seem to be in the know, you working in bringing us up some talent that aren’t in it for the money but want to win a damn championship and big be dog?

Feel how you want to feel..... as stated he is doing what he feels he HAS to do over what he WANTS to do. Guy was ac starting wr for a team that just went to the NC, is going to a team that got blown out by the team he's leaving.... TWICE.. and your response is he needs to face adversity? Lolol I mean what is more adverse than going to a team that you beat the crud out of twice???

Well what I'll tell you is if you want good players you're going to have to pay them so making it seem like players that want to get paid for what they do is a bad thing really falls flat on me. You got a roster full of guys that will be darn good next year... there is no reason to panic and lose your mind. Everyone that has left has a replacement that is just as good if not better.... relax

You said it’s not about ‘MSU or Football’ so doesn’t seem it matters if he goes and plays for the Mud Dogs, sounds like when the going gets tough in his personal life he leaves.

Also, you’ve stated prior that it’s not about the money to players. So how many years is Jhase planning on playing one or if we are lucky two? How is there suppose to be a team when not one of these kids seems to actually care about the team. When I competed in college athletics it was taboo and frowned upon to leave, also many coaches would not think twice to pick up a lateral transfer.

You don't know what he's dealing with in his personal life so once again I'll say ease back.

I don't know how long jhase will be there. I'm not in his inner circle but I'm close to it. Well I don't know how long ago you played but I played in the late 90s-00s and we didn't care if you left. And that was when you had to sit out. If you left you had your reasons and we all respected that.

You say they don't care about then team I would challenge you to tell me how staying shows you care about the team. What I don't think you get is that whether an athlete stays or goes they are choosing the best situation for them at THAT PARTICULAR moment. So a player staying doesn't mean they care about the team more or less they are making the best decision for themselves.

BBT, I respect alot of your input, but your last paragraph plays totally into the entitlement culture that is doing our young people no good at all. Life is not always all about self nor should it be. When you choose to play team sports it is about the team and what's best for the team. There are valuable lessons to be learned and one of those is committing to a common goal and working with your teammates to accomplish that. Focusing on "getting what's mine" is a terrible attitude. Commitment, teamwork, sacrifice all lead to life skills that will take them far. Jumping from team to team, job to job, relationship to relationship only reflects selfishness and really won't get a young man far. This whole portal thing feeds greed, selfishness, and entitlement, and will not only ruin college football, but will ruin many young men as well. And that's just sad. "The love of money is the root of all kinds of evil", the Bible says. And we see that play out every day all over the world. It's just too bad we can't protect these young men from getting sucked into that.

I equally respect your stance but I disagree. You are coming from a stance that if you don't sacrifice yourself for the betterment of my team then you can't do or get all that you just articulated.

I would trek you that you are very wrong in your take. An athlete doesn't have to sacrifice their upward mobility to work hard to achieve a common goal(they can do that on the next team)....I don't see it as entitlement is what they have worked hard for and earned. They earned their pay days, through decades of hard work. You act like because a player leaves they aren't showing any form of commitment, teamwork or sacrifice... most so just not for the team they are leaving. I know it sucks for the team they are leaving but to act like these kids don't have the morality it takes to be great men because they are capitalizing on their window is a pretty shallow take.

Many of these kids aren't going to play in the nfl, so being able to get 1-2yrs of 6 figures puts you way ahead when you're done playing. I don't know all the kids in the portal personally but I can tell you that polidore has been raised right and possess every quality you would want in a young man.

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying because that's the truth. When you accept an offer, and all the perks that come with it, you should commit. Team hopping, committing to whatever team you're playing for at the moment isn't commitment. Frankly, neither is coaches hopping, but that's another subject.
Playing college football, any college sport for that matter, is a choice. That choice comes with work, dedication, long days, late nights, but they are also given opportunities that regular students don't receive like extensive tutoring, weight and nutrition training and support, etc. What has been lost is this is school first, athletics second. The focus has changed from I'm going to play college ball, get my degree, maybe try out for the league if my numbers are good enough, then get a job and live my life, to I'm going to use this school as a stepping stone to be pulling a 6 figure income at 23 or 24 years old, degree or not, who cares? This is wrong! Why should a college QB make $4 million when a pro makes less than half of that? What are we teaching our young people???? Now, for those who have graduated, who have a year of eligibility left, as a fan, I want them to stay, but I can understand their desire to see what options are out there. However, I truly think this portal is setting the majority of FCS players up for disappointment. There are some who will get the big bucks. There's many more, especially starters, who by next May might be wondering why they made such a stupid decision to leave.

I respect your opinion. There are someone I agree with there are some a disagree with.

Your scholarship is year to year. The school isn't bound to you beyond one year and you aren't bound to the school beyond one year. They accepted all the perks and have their all during that year they were there. So I don't see the problem. I don't agree with team hopping, I actually geek that players that aren't starters that do this aren't very good and keep losing battles. So I don't find it appealing. At the same time of that same kid who isn't very good can leave school with 300-500k and a degree after going to 4 different schools honestly I can't be mad at them. They have to use what they have, their athletic ability, to maximize their profits.

Again I feel like you are separating this that shouldn't be.... most of these kids are not only trying to pull 6 figures but they are ALSO graduating. They have to pass a certain amount of hours, as you know, to stay eligible. So wherever they go they are working towards their degree. They are leveraging the little power they have to get as much money as they can along the way.

I agree a collegiate player shouldn't make more than nfl player... the nfl should pay more. These collegiate players are bringing millions of dollars they should get a piece of that, sorry that's just how I feel. You don't have to agree and that's fine.

Finally... yes there will be a lot if players that are left out in the cold because they over valued themselves. That's the risk they took. I've advised several of my former players to stay at their school because I just didn't feel the portal would be good for them others I've said you can move up. Each situation is different qbs had to be judged as such.

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Eventually there will be about 15-20 schools that each have about ten franchises set up at other universities and colleges. 2-3 that compete at the top level. The rest in FCs d2 and d3.

Thats a wild concept. Can we get the other MSU to fund our NIL and send us 4* recruits that are not ready to start for them right away and we'll develop them and give them a few years of starting experience before they get called up. It feels really gross but might be mutually beneficial.

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All I'll say is this young man left for reasons outside of football... cut him a little slack. I will not divulge his personal business but him leaving has nothing to do with msu or football.

I love your inputs, however, hard to cut slack when our program stuck their neck out for him, so he can enjoy this extra season. Also, Idaho will solve his problems? Sounds like he needs to face and challenge adversity.

Since you seem to be in the know, you working in bringing us up some talent that aren’t in it for the money but want to win a damn championship and big be dog?

Feel how you want to feel..... as stated he is doing what he feels he HAS to do over what he WANTS to do. Guy was ac starting wr for a team that just went to the NC, is going to a team that got blown out by the team he's leaving.... TWICE.. and your response is he needs to face adversity? Lolol I mean what is more adverse than going to a team that you beat the crud out of twice???

Well what I'll tell you is if you want good players you're going to have to pay them so making it seem like players that want to get paid for what they do is a bad thing really falls flat on me. You got a roster full of guys that will be darn good next year... there is no reason to panic and lose your mind. Everyone that has left has a replacement that is just as good if not better.... relax

You said it’s not about ‘MSU or Football’ so doesn’t seem it matters if he goes and plays for the Mud Dogs, sounds like when the going gets tough in his personal life he leaves.

Also, you’ve stated prior that it’s not about the money to players. So how many years is Jhase planning on playing one or if we are lucky two? How is there suppose to be a team when not one of these kids seems to actually care about the team. When I competed in college athletics it was taboo and frowned upon to leave, also many coaches would not think twice to pick up a lateral transfer.

You don't know what he's dealing with in his personal life so once again I'll say ease back.

I don't know how long jhase will be there. I'm not in his inner circle but I'm close to it. Well I don't know how long ago you played but I played in the late 90s-00s and we didn't care if you left. And that was when you had to sit out. If you left you had your reasons and we all respected that.

You say they don't care about then team I would challenge you to tell me how staying shows you care about the team. What I don't think you get is that whether an athlete stays or goes they are choosing the best situation for them at THAT PARTICULAR moment. So a player staying doesn't mean they care about the team more or less they are making the best decision for themselves.

BBT, I respect alot of your input, but your last paragraph plays totally into the entitlement culture that is doing our young people no good at all. Life is not always all about self nor should it be. When you choose to play team sports it is about the team and what's best for the team. There are valuable lessons to be learned and one of those is committing to a common goal and working with your teammates to accomplish that. Focusing on "getting what's mine" is a terrible attitude. Commitment, teamwork, sacrifice all lead to life skills that will take them far. Jumping from team to team, job to job, relationship to relationship only reflects selfishness and really won't get a young man far. This whole portal thing feeds greed, selfishness, and entitlement, and will not only ruin college football, but will ruin many young men as well. And that's just sad. "The love of money is the root of all kinds of evil", the Bible says. And we see that play out every day all over the world. It's just too bad we can't protect these young men from getting sucked into that.

I equally respect your stance but I disagree. You are coming from a stance that if you don't sacrifice yourself for the betterment of my team then you can't do or get all that you just articulated.

I would trek you that you are very wrong in your take. An athlete doesn't have to sacrifice their upward mobility to work hard to achieve a common goal(they can do that on the next team)....I don't see it as entitlement is what they have worked hard for and earned. They earned their pay days, through decades of hard work. You act like because a player leaves they aren't showing any form of commitment, teamwork or sacrifice... most so just not for the team they are leaving. I know it sucks for the team they are leaving but to act like these kids don't have the morality it takes to be great men because they are capitalizing on their window is a pretty shallow take.

Many of these kids aren't going to play in the nfl, so being able to get 1-2yrs of 6 figures puts you way ahead when you're done playing. I don't know all the kids in the portal personally but I can tell you that polidore has been raised right and possess every quality you would want in a young man.

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying because that's the truth. When you accept an offer, and all the perks that come with it, you should commit. Team hopping, committing to whatever team you're playing for at the moment isn't commitment. Frankly, neither is coaches hopping, but that's another subject.
Playing college football, any college sport for that matter, is a choice. That choice comes with work, dedication, long days, late nights, but they are also given opportunities that regular students don't receive like extensive tutoring, weight and nutrition training and support, etc. What has been lost is this is school first, athletics second. The focus has changed from I'm going to play college ball, get my degree, maybe try out for the league if my numbers are good enough, then get a job and live my life, to I'm going to use this school as a stepping stone to be pulling a 6 figure income at 23 or 24 years old, degree or not, who cares? This is wrong! Why should a college QB make $4 million when a pro makes less than half of that? What are we teaching our young people???? Now, for those who have graduated, who have a year of eligibility left, as a fan, I want them to stay, but I can understand their desire to see what options are out there. However, I truly think this portal is setting the majority of FCS players up for disappointment. There are some who will get the big bucks. There's many more, especially starters, who by next May might be wondering why they made such a stupid decision to leave.

I can only imagine what divorce rates are going to start looking like.

Well they're already high. But this is our culture. All we can control is us, raise our kids right I guess, but even that's not a guarantee. Money talks, it causes otherwise good people to do bad things, but it's necessary to live in this world. How much is necessary, is quite another thing. I'm just disappointed in how this week has gone. Really thought making the NC after a 15-0 season would keep some loyalty among key players. The players that are choosing to stay are the new key players and for them I'm grateful.

Sorry. Just being a smart ass about some of this gens motives. ‘Wow, I could leave my current family for a more rich and affluent one’.

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I love your inputs, however, hard to cut slack when our program stuck their neck out for him, so he can enjoy this extra season. Also, Idaho will solve his problems? Sounds like he needs to face and challenge adversity.

Since you seem to be in the know, you working in bringing us up some talent that aren’t in it for the money but want to win a damn championship and big be dog?

Feel how you want to feel..... as stated he is doing what he feels he HAS to do over what he WANTS to do. Guy was ac starting wr for a team that just went to the NC, is going to a team that got blown out by the team he's leaving.... TWICE.. and your response is he needs to face adversity? Lolol I mean what is more adverse than going to a team that you beat the crud out of twice???

Well what I'll tell you is if you want good players you're going to have to pay them so making it seem like players that want to get paid for what they do is a bad thing really falls flat on me. You got a roster full of guys that will be darn good next year... there is no reason to panic and lose your mind. Everyone that has left has a replacement that is just as good if not better.... relax

You said it’s not about ‘MSU or Football’ so doesn’t seem it matters if he goes and plays for the Mud Dogs, sounds like when the going gets tough in his personal life he leaves.

Also, you’ve stated prior that it’s not about the money to players. So how many years is Jhase planning on playing one or if we are lucky two? How is there suppose to be a team when not one of these kids seems to actually care about the team. When I competed in college athletics it was taboo and frowned upon to leave, also many coaches would not think twice to pick up a lateral transfer.

You don't know what he's dealing with in his personal life so once again I'll say ease back.

I don't know how long jhase will be there. I'm not in his inner circle but I'm close to it. Well I don't know how long ago you played but I played in the late 90s-00s and we didn't care if you left. And that was when you had to sit out. If you left you had your reasons and we all respected that.

You say they don't care about then team I would challenge you to tell me how staying shows you care about the team. What I don't think you get is that whether an athlete stays or goes they are choosing the best situation for them at THAT PARTICULAR moment. So a player staying doesn't mean they care about the team more or less they are making the best decision for themselves.

BBT, I respect alot of your input, but your last paragraph plays totally into the entitlement culture that is doing our young people no good at all. Life is not always all about self nor should it be. When you choose to play team sports it is about the team and what's best for the team. There are valuable lessons to be learned and one of those is committing to a common goal and working with your teammates to accomplish that. Focusing on "getting what's mine" is a terrible attitude. Commitment, teamwork, sacrifice all lead to life skills that will take them far. Jumping from team to team, job to job, relationship to relationship only reflects selfishness and really won't get a young man far. This whole portal thing feeds greed, selfishness, and entitlement, and will not only ruin college football, but will ruin many young men as well. And that's just sad. "The love of money is the root of all kinds of evil", the Bible says. And we see that play out every day all over the world. It's just too bad we can't protect these young men from getting sucked into that.

I equally respect your stance but I disagree. You are coming from a stance that if you don't sacrifice yourself for the betterment of my team then you can't do or get all that you just articulated.

I would trek you that you are very wrong in your take. An athlete doesn't have to sacrifice their upward mobility to work hard to achieve a common goal(they can do that on the next team)....I don't see it as entitlement is what they have worked hard for and earned. They earned their pay days, through decades of hard work. You act like because a player leaves they aren't showing any form of commitment, teamwork or sacrifice... most so just not for the team they are leaving. I know it sucks for the team they are leaving but to act like these kids don't have the morality it takes to be great men because they are capitalizing on their window is a pretty shallow take.

Many of these kids aren't going to play in the nfl, so being able to get 1-2yrs of 6 figures puts you way ahead when you're done playing. I don't know all the kids in the portal personally but I can tell you that polidore has been raised right and possess every quality you would want in a young man.

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying because that's the truth. When you accept an offer, and all the perks that come with it, you should commit. Team hopping, committing to whatever team you're playing for at the moment isn't commitment. Frankly, neither is coaches hopping, but that's another subject.
Playing college football, any college sport for that matter, is a choice. That choice comes with work, dedication, long days, late nights, but they are also given opportunities that regular students don't receive like extensive tutoring, weight and nutrition training and support, etc. What has been lost is this is school first, athletics second. The focus has changed from I'm going to play college ball, get my degree, maybe try out for the league if my numbers are good enough, then get a job and live my life, to I'm going to use this school as a stepping stone to be pulling a 6 figure income at 23 or 24 years old, degree or not, who cares? This is wrong! Why should a college QB make $4 million when a pro makes less than half of that? What are we teaching our young people???? Now, for those who have graduated, who have a year of eligibility left, as a fan, I want them to stay, but I can understand their desire to see what options are out there. However, I truly think this portal is setting the majority of FCS players up for disappointment. There are some who will get the big bucks. There's many more, especially starters, who by next May might be wondering why they made such a stupid decision to leave.

I can only imagine what divorce rates are going to start looking like.

Well they're already high. But this is our culture. All we can control is us, raise our kids right I guess, but even that's not a guarantee. Money talks, it causes otherwise good people to do bad things, but it's necessary to live in this world. How much is necessary, is quite another thing. I'm just disappointed in how this week has gone. Really thought making the NC after a 15-0 season would keep some loyalty among key players. The players that are choosing to stay are the new key players and for them I'm grateful.

Sorry. Just being a smart ass about some of this gens motives. ‘Wow, I could leave my current family for a more rich and affluent one’.

well stranger things have happened