Let's do this -- MBB vs. Spuds

[technoCat]

There is no other way to say it….. this team is much better with walker not playing.

Not trying to call him out, but it’s just the truth.

Yeah had nothing to do with the competition and playing at home.

If Logie thinks we can win consistently with guys like Lecholat and Nduka playing the post and going uptempo, I think it's going to be a long tenure. Might catch teams off-guard for a tournament run but I just don't think it can sustain us at the D1 level for a year.

[BelligerentBobcat]

I’m shocked. Shocked, I tell you.

[MSU01]

There is no other way to say it….. this team is much better with walker not playing.

Not trying to call him out, but it’s just the truth.

Yeah had nothing to do with the competition and playing at home.

If Logie thinks we can win consistently with guys like Lecholat and Nduka playing the post and going uptempo, I think it's going to be a long tenure. Might catch teams off-guard for a tournament run but I just don't think it can sustain us at the D1 level for a year.

Yeah, as fun as it is to dream of another magic tournament run we probably shouldn't be overreacting to two wins against the worst team in the league and a home game against another middling team that came into Bozeman and had a terrible shooting night. But I do give Logie and the staff a lot of credit for switching things up and trying to squeeze the best performance possible out of the roster they have to work with. The tournament this year is wide open and I can see pretty much any team but Sac State winning it if they get hot. Even Weber in 9th place has been playing a lot better recently.

[SACCAT]

There is no other way to say it….. this team is much better with walker not playing.

Not trying to call him out, but it’s just the truth.

Yeah had nothing to do with the competition and playing at home.

If Logie thinks we can win consistently with guys like Lecholat and Nduka playing the post and going uptempo, I think it's going to be a long tenure. Might catch teams off-guard for a tournament run but I just don't think it can sustain us at the D1 level for a year.

Yeah, as fun as it is to dream of another magic tournament run we probably shouldn't be overreacting to two wins against the worst team in the league and a home game against another middling team that came into Bozeman and had a terrible shooting night. But I do give Logie and the staff a lot of credit for switching things up and trying to squeeze the best performance possible out of the roster they have to work with. The tournament this year is wide open and I can see pretty much any team but Sac State winning it if they get hot. Even Weber in 9th place has been playing a lot better recently.

I am more on the side of wildly overreacting. I think this is the best Bobcat Men's team to ever play on a Basketball court. I expect to win at least all the Tourney games at a minimum, and should be able to make it as far as the Sweet 16.

[MSU01]

There is no other way to say it….. this team is much better with walker not playing.

Not trying to call him out, but it’s just the truth.

Yeah had nothing to do with the competition and playing at home.

If Logie thinks we can win consistently with guys like Lecholat and Nduka playing the post and going uptempo, I think it's going to be a long tenure. Might catch teams off-guard for a tournament run but I just don't think it can sustain us at the D1 level for a year.

Yeah, as fun as it is to dream of another magic tournament run we probably shouldn't be overreacting to two wins against the worst team in the league and a home game against another middling team that came into Bozeman and had a terrible shooting night. But I do give Logie and the staff a lot of credit for switching things up and trying to squeeze the best performance possible out of the roster they have to work with. The tournament this year is wide open and I can see pretty much any team but Sac State winning it if they get hot. Even Weber in 9th place has been playing a lot better recently.

I am more on the side of wildly overreacting. I think this is the best Bobcat Men's team to ever play on a Basketball court. I expect to win at least all the Tourney games at a minimum, and should be able to make it as far as the Sweet 16.

Watch out, Cooper Flagg. Sam Lecholat and Pat McMahon are coming for you!

[BelgradeBobcat]

This is just a very very weird situation. It's a little like Coach Norman Dale (Gene Hackman) finishing the game with 4 players instead of putting in Rade Butcher because he shot before they made four passes. Maybe Matt Logie will be the main character in an inspiring basketball movie about the plucky Bobcats making an improbable NCAA tournament run...

[SACCAT]

There is no other way to say it….. this team is much better with walker not playing.

Not trying to call him out, but it’s just the truth.

Yeah had nothing to do with the competition and playing at home.

If Logie thinks we can win consistently with guys like Lecholat and Nduka playing the post and going uptempo, I think it's going to be a long tenure. Might catch teams off-guard for a tournament run but I just don't think it can sustain us at the D1 level for a year.

Yeah, as fun as it is to dream of another magic tournament run we probably shouldn't be overreacting to two wins against the worst team in the league and a home game against another middling team that came into Bozeman and had a terrible shooting night. But I do give Logie and the staff a lot of credit for switching things up and trying to squeeze the best performance possible out of the roster they have to work with. The tournament this year is wide open and I can see pretty much any team but Sac State winning it if they get hot. Even Weber in 9th place has been playing a lot better recently.

I am more on the side of wildly overreacting. I think this is the best Bobcat Men's team to ever play on a Basketball court. I expect to win at least all the Tourney games at a minimum, and should be able to make it as far as the Sweet 16.

Watch out, Cooper Flagg. Sam Lecholat and Pat McMahon are coming for you!

Max is the same height as Cooper Flagg, so that eliminates Cooper as a threat. Kon Knueppel is 6-7" and is only a Freshman, so McMahon is older, there for better. The only one that worries me is Khaman Maluach.. But I don't think he has ever been to Wyoming, so Sam has the advantage there.

[technoCat]

This is just a very very weird situation. It's a little like Coach Norman Dale (Gene Hackman) finishing the game with 4 players instead of putting in Rade Butcher because he shot before they made four passes. Maybe Matt Logie will be the main character in an inspiring basketball movie about the plucky Bobcats making an improbable NCAA tournament run...

So, you bench the guy that is most likely your best player suddenly at the end of the year because he suddenly doesn't fit the offense you are trying to run? Bit of a head scratcher...

[BelligerentBobcat]

This is just a very very weird situation. It's a little like Coach Norman Dale (Gene Hackman) finishing the game with 4 players instead of putting in Rade Butcher because he shot before they made four passes. Maybe Matt Logie will be the main character in an inspiring basketball movie about the plucky Bobcats making an improbable NCAA tournament run...

So, you bench the guy that is most likely your best player suddenly at the end of the year because he suddenly doesn't fit the offense you are trying to run? Bit of a head scratcher...

Your supposition that he’s likely the best player is false.

Very talented, but still a net negative. Reminds me of Al Jefferson in that regard. Really good player, but not for a winning team.

[Desert_Bobcat]

This is just a very very weird situation. It's a little like Coach Norman Dale (Gene Hackman) finishing the game with 4 players instead of putting in Rade Butcher because he shot before they made four passes. Maybe Matt Logie will be the main character in an inspiring basketball movie about the plucky Bobcats making an improbable NCAA tournament run...

So, you bench the guy that is most likely your best player suddenly at the end of the year because he suddenly doesn't fit the offense you are trying to run? Bit of a head scratcher...

Your supposition that he’s likely the best player is false.

Very talented, but still a net negative. Reminds me of Al Jefferson in that regard. Really good player, but not for a winning team.

This is the right take I believe. Walker is an incredible offensive scorer, everything else leaves a lot to be desired and there are other players on the roster who are better/more willing to make the plays needed to make a positive impact in Logies offense.

I think Walker’s benching late is a 2 part answer:
1) Logie was making it work because it was still pretty effective. I guarantee that he was trying to get him to buy into the system and it just never clicked.
2) The reaction from the team during and after getting their doors blown off by PSU. There was a lot of negative body language from the players in this game and you could just get a sense that it was unraveling. And in order to get the team to “re-buy in” you sometimes have to amputate a limb to save the rest of the body.

There’s no doubt that Logie has seen this team’s potential with Walker off the floor in games and in practice. So he elected to take a leap to test the team. And guess what, it resulted in their 2 biggest conference wins of the season. I don’t subscribe to the “weak opponent/home court” argument because ultimately, you’re supposed to beat those teams by 20+. With Walker on the floor I guarantee you those games are much closer. Not because he’s not talented, but because his “game” is a slower pace and is indicative of more back and forth and a closer game.

I honestly wouldn’t expect to see him on the floor the rest of the season. Maybe I’m wrong and having him on the bench these 2 games gave him some more insight of what he needs to do to maximize his potential, but based on how well the ball moves and the impact both Sam and Chika have made as mobile, passing “bigs” I highly doubt we see BW again

[lutecat]

Who recruited Walker?

[HelenaCat]

Who recruited Walker?

Well, that would be Logie. But remember that when Logie was hired so late, there were pretty slim pickings available anymore in the portal.

[Desert_Bobcat]

Who recruited Walker?

Well, that would be Logie. But remember that when Logie was hired so late, there were pretty slim pickings available anymore in the portal.

He was hired so late he had to convince a benchwarmer from Arizona State who had scored a grand total of 11 points over 4 years to take a grad year and fill an empty roster spot (I’m sure you know who I’m referring to).
All that to say I love that we “ended up” with Olmsted and the impact he made off the court and in the last 6 games of the season. I’m so glad Logie gave him the shot and Big John pounced at that opportunity!
Leads me to a thought though.. is that maybe the blueprint to getting Bigs to come to MSU? It’s so hard to get a kid 6’10”+ out of high school anymore so maybe they look for flameouts from bigger schools? Either that or they need to start looking overseas (Europe or Australia) for big men. Either way I kinda miss the European flare from the Sprinkle teams and wished that was still a thing. Probably a topic for the offseason though.

[MSU01]

Who recruited Walker?

Well, that would be Logie. But remember that when Logie was hired so late, there were pretty slim pickings available anymore in the portal.

He was hired so late he had to convince a benchwarmer from Arizona State who had scored a grand total of 11 points over 4 years to take a grad year and fill an empty roster spot (I’m sure you know who I’m referring to).
All that to say I love that we “ended up” with Olmsted and the impact he made off the court and in the last 6 games of the season. I’m so glad Logie gave him the shot and Big John pounced at that opportunity!
Leads me to a thought though.. is that maybe the blueprint to getting Bigs to come to MSU? It’s so hard to get a kid 6’10”+ out of high school anymore so maybe they look for flameouts from bigger schools? Either that or they need to start looking overseas (Europe or Australia) for big men. Either way I kinda miss the European flare from the Sprinkle teams and wished that was still a thing. Probably a topic for the offseason though.

Recruiting big guys is really tough because there are so few of them who have the combination of D-1 size and D-1 talent that the power schools have snapped pretty much all of that group up before a team like MSU ever gets a chance at them. The Bobcats have had a long list of big guys over the years who just weren't good enough at basketball to play at the D-1 level. Maybe going the Olmstead route is a decent idea, although I think MSU has had more success over the years recruiting JC players at that position. Jubrile Belo, Al Beye, and Divaldo Mbunga are some of MSU's best big men from the last 20 years and all came from JCs to MSU. Recruiting internationally may not be the market inefficiency it once was, and losing Coach Haslam and all his international connections really hurt there too.

[Desert_Bobcat]

Who recruited Walker?

Well, that would be Logie. But remember that when Logie was hired so late, there were pretty slim pickings available anymore in the portal.

He was hired so late he had to convince a benchwarmer from Arizona State who had scored a grand total of 11 points over 4 years to take a grad year and fill an empty roster spot (I’m sure you know who I’m referring to).
All that to say I love that we “ended up” with Olmsted and the impact he made off the court and in the last 6 games of the season. I’m so glad Logie gave him the shot and Big John pounced at that opportunity!
Leads me to a thought though.. is that maybe the blueprint to getting Bigs to come to MSU? It’s so hard to get a kid 6’10”+ out of high school anymore so maybe they look for flameouts from bigger schools? Either that or they need to start looking overseas (Europe or Australia) for big men. Either way I kinda miss the European flare from the Sprinkle teams and wished that was still a thing. Probably a topic for the offseason though.

Recruiting big guys is really tough because there are so few of them who have the combination of D-1 size and D-1 talent that the power schools have snapped pretty much all of that group up before a team like MSU ever gets a chance at them. The Bobcats have had a long list of big guys over the years who just weren't good enough at basketball to play at the D-1 level. Maybe going the Olmstead route is a decent idea, although I think MSU has had more success over the years recruiting JC players at that position. Jubrile Belo, Al Beye, and Divaldo Mbunga are some of MSU's best big men from the last 20 years and all came from JCs to MSU. Recruiting internationally may not be the market inefficiency it once was, and losing Coach Haslam and all his international connections really hurt there too.

No doubt. It makes it more difficult with the brand of ball Logie wants to play. Trying to find a big with size, a high motor, and shot making ability to come to the low/mid major level is going to take some voodoo witch magic. Not saying it can’t be done, just makes it way harder.

Verbal Recruits shows Logie offering a high school senior named Kieran Mullen (6’11 #215) out of Vancouver BC playing for a school in Louisiana. Cut from a very similar cloth as Olmsted and slightly more athletic. Holds 2 other offers though so we’ll see if Coach can convert.

[SCVBobcat]

Walker is too good to ride the bench when we're in a close game or behind. He's going to be hungry when he gets back out there. At times I've seen him hustle, go flying for loose balls, kick it out to the open man, etc. He can do it. My take is that he's trying at times to carry the team, and I don't blame him for that. I like what I've seen the past two games without him, but we're even better if we mix Walker in. I think Kolly is an asset, as well.

I'm a little worried about Rutherfurd. Moves a little stiff - he might want to look into yoga...

[lutecat]

Walker is too good to ride the bench when we're in a close game or behind. He's going to be hungry when he gets back out there. At times I've seen him hustle, go flying for loose balls, kick it out to the open man, etc. He can do it. My take is that he's trying at times to carry the team, and I don't blame him for that. I like what I've seen the past two games without him, but we're even better if we mix Walker in. I think Kolly is an asset, as well.

I'm a little worried about Rutherfurd. Moves a little stiff - he might want to look into yoga...

Maybe that's the point. Logie needed him to see he doesn't need to carry the team.

[rfischer94]

Tony Parks and Joe Cravens are calling the Griz/EWU game on ESPN2. Starch Madness is officially underway!

And Eric Curry refing! Us Bobcatnation old timers know what he's all about.

Are there any threads about the infamous Eric Curry? I don't know the story on him.

[MSU01]

Tony Parks and Joe Cravens are calling the Griz/EWU game on ESPN2. Starch Madness is officially underway!

And Eric Curry refing! Us Bobcatnation old timers know what he's all about.

Are there any threads about the infamous Eric Curry? I don't know the story on him.

https://bobcatnation.com/bobcatbb/viewt ... 21&t=29849

The original Eric Curry story from @CatBlitz is in this thread towards the bottom of the first page in this thread. Doing a search on this forum for Eric Curry yields some more amusing results over the years.

[lutecat]

I did a google search of Eric Curry basketball sucks

https://www.gatorcountry.com/swampgas/t ... nt.605473/

From another article:
Along the way, Golden was hit with a technical foul when at the 7:44 mark Lampkin posted up Condon for a layup. Officials stopped the action after Florida inbounded the ball to say Condon had fouled Lampkin on the make.

Official Eric Curry came to the UF bench and told Golden the call was made in real time, but his whistle was broken. The Florida coach went ballistic.

The extra free throw, plus the two techs put the Buffs up by 10.

"It's never happened to me in my coaching [career] where somebody's whistle doesn't work," said Golden, adding it was just the third technical of his five seasons as a head coach and the second courtesy of Curry. "Five seconds later, we're finding out it's an and-one."