Justin Lamson Transfers in

[TomCat88]

I wouldn’t go penciling him in as the starter. The quarterback situation is still very much up in the air. Fortunately for MSU the offense isn’t terribly reliant on the quarterback.

I don’t think you can find a modern college offense that isn’t reliant on the QB to a large degree.

Can MSU beat mid level teams with mediocre QB play? Probably. But that isn’t the goal. The goal is to be a championship contending team, or at minimum, a conference contending team, and MSU absolutely is very reliant on a good QB to do so.

There’s a big difference between a good quarterback and a quarterback who plays good. MSU will have a quarterback who plays good.

Is a good quarterback better or worse than a quarterback who plays good?

A good qb that doesn’t have good players around him vs an average qb that does. Their performance can be misleading. Obviously, you want both a good qb and good players around him. MSU has had good players around its QBs for a good 5-6 seasons now.

[nanacat]

This seems like good news

[GoldstoneCat]

I've been saying 2qb system since January. I think this, Lamson, is in pursuit of exactly that. The question is whether it's lamson/Wilson or Lamson/Warren IMO.

[TomCat88]

Set Stanford's single-season quarterback rushing touchdown record with eight rushing TDs in his senior season (previous record was 6 held by Jim Plunkett and Kevin Hogan)

Good company.

[TomCat88]

Good signs:
Delivered the game-tying touchdown pass with :45 to play in Stanford's upset of No. 22 Louisville (Nov. 16), a play-action pass of 25 yards on 4th and 1 in the fourth quarter.

Added a rushing touchdown against Colorado, instrumental in helping Stanford overcome a 29-point deficit (Oct. 13)

Ended the season with a 10-carry, 82-yard performance against No. 17 Notre Dame, with a rushing touchdown (Nov. 25) ... 82 yards on the ground were the second-most by a Cardinal on the season ... also ripped off a 49-yard run for a new career-long

He doesn’t have eye-popping stats but some things don’t show up in the stats. Could be a player that makes plays when needed.

[BelligerentBobcat]

I've been saying 2qb system since January. I think this, Lamson, is in pursuit of exactly that. The question is whether it's lamson/Wilson or Lamson/Warren IMO.

Why?

Vigen has basically said he doesn’t want to do it again.

And I just don’t see the point…what are we gaining?

[Lord Vigo]

I would be very surprised if Lamson isn’t the starting QB, playing all the snaps as long as the games are competitive.

The 2 QB approach was out of necessity because Mellott was so reliant on rush attempts before last season and was often out of the lineup because of all the body blows.

It’s not something that has consistently been part of Vigen’s approach to offense.

[blueandgoldblitz]

Correlation does not equal causation but the 2 years Tommy was the only QB, we went to a national championship game (granted, he took over most of the way through the season in '21, but he was QB1 and only from that point on). The 2 years we ran a 2 QB system, we lost in the semis and the quarters (?). Again, lots of factors to consider, but letting one QB be the man and get into a rhythm seemed to pay dividends for us ever since Vigen has been HC.

[GoldstoneCat]

I've been saying 2qb system since January. I think this, Lamson, is in pursuit of exactly that. The question is whether it's lamson/Wilson or Lamson/Warren IMO.

Why?

Vigen has basically said he doesn’t want to do it again.

And I just don’t see the point…what are we gaining?

Seems like we have some pieces but no "guy." Especially with lamson not being here until fall, i would be pretty surprised if we don't have some form of 2 QBs playing at least through September. That could evolve as the season goes on but Lamson has not been able to be a full time starter anywhere he's been, and obviously the staff thinks we need more help in that room, so they don't believe a "guy" is on the roster as of today. That's my reasoning.

[BelligerentBobcat]

I've been saying 2qb system since January. I think this, Lamson, is in pursuit of exactly that. The question is whether it's lamson/Wilson or Lamson/Warren IMO.

Why?

Vigen has basically said he doesn’t want to do it again.

And I just don’t see the point…what are we gaining?

Seems like we have some pieces but no "guy." Especially with lamson not being here until fall, i would be pretty surprised if we don't have some form of 2 QBs playing at least through September. That could evolve as the season goes on but Lamson has not been able to be a full time starter anywhere he's been, and obviously the staff thinks we need more help in that room, so they don't believe a "guy" is on the roster as of today. That's my reasoning.

I guess I’m not exactly sure what you’re saying.

Do you mean they’ll play two QB’s as they attempt to figure out who the starter is, or that they’ll run a 2 QB system like they did with Tommy and Chambers? I can see the former, but not the latter.

[AFCAT]

I wonder when he will be on campus? Meaning will he be at spring ball?

I don't see how he could be. He has to finish out his semester at Bowling Green.

Yeah, there's no possible way he could participate in Spring Ball at this point. Glad to have him joining the team though, sounds like the type of player who can do well in MSU's offense.

Spring semester is also over in less than two months. Lamson could be here by mid-May.

[Lord Vigo]

Lamson has only been one place— Stanford. So saying that he hasn’t been the full time guy anywhere he’s been is kind of misleading.

[AFCAT]

Lamson has only been one place— Stanford. So saying that he hasn’t been the full time guy anywhere he’s been is kind of misleading.

He was also at Syracuse.

[GoldstoneCat]

I've been saying 2qb system since January. I think this, Lamson, is in pursuit of exactly that. The question is whether it's lamson/Wilson or Lamson/Warren IMO.

Why?

Vigen has basically said he doesn’t want to do it again.

And I just don’t see the point…what are we gaining?

Seems like we have some pieces but no "guy." Especially with lamson not being here until fall, i would be pretty surprised if we don't have some form of 2 QBs playing at least through September. That could evolve as the season goes on but Lamson has not been able to be a full time starter anywhere he's been, and obviously the staff thinks we need more help in that room, so they don't believe a "guy" is on the roster as of today. That's my reasoning.

I guess I’m not exactly sure what you’re saying.

Do you mean they’ll play two QB’s as they attempt to figure out who the starter is, or that they’ll run a 2 QB system like they did with Tommy and Chambers? I can see the former, but not the latter.

The latter for awhile. Because there is no "guy" to find for the former at this moment in time. If one separates himself, then it could evolve like the Tommy/Sean situation did, where by the end essentially chambers was only playing in short yardage or if Tommy was injured. I think for now it's not impossible you'll see 2 guys with a package in each week's game plan, divided reps, run the hell out of the ball and see what evolves as the season goes along.

[TomCat88]

Lamson has only been one place— Stanford. So saying that he hasn’t been the full time guy anywhere he’s been is kind of misleading.

He was also at Syracuse.

He didn’t get a senior season in HS. Redshirt at Syracuse, then out with injury before transferring to Stanford for two seasons. His junior year was really good in HS.
2019 NorCal Offensive Player of the Year
2019 Sacramento Bee Player of the Year

Could be he just had some bad breaks along the way that hurt his development. Vigen recruited him out of HS at Wyoming. This has a Sam Darnold/KOC vibe to it.

[TomCat88]

River Warren is really a good qb prospect. Hard to say how far off he is. MSU has had great success with young quarterbacks.

[Lord Vigo]

Lamson has only been one place— Stanford. So saying that he hasn’t been the full time guy anywhere he’s been is kind of misleading.

He was also at Syracuse.

Huh. Wonder why espn didn’t indicate that.

[BelligerentBobcat]

Lamson has only been one place— Stanford. So saying that he hasn’t been the full time guy anywhere he’s been is kind of misleading.

He was also at Syracuse.

Huh. Wonder why espn didn’t indicate that.

He never took a snap.

[TomCat88]

From Syracuse roster:

Career Overview: Emerged as Syracuse's backup quarterback in the spring of 2022 before suffering a season ending injury in the spring that sidelined him for the duration of the year.

Freshman Year (2022): Did not appear in any games after suffering a season-ending injury in spring practice.

Redshirt Year (2021): Did not appear in any games ... Enrolled at Syracuse in February 2021 ... Member of the SU Athletic Director’s Honor Roll in the spring '21 semester ... Member of the SU Athletic Director’s Honor Roll both semesters (fall '21, spring '22).

High School: Played four years for head coach Eric Cavaliere ... Tabbed as a top-20 dual threat quarterback by 247Sports.com and a top-50 prospect out of California … 3,576 total yards and 29 touchdowns in his junior season for Oak Ridge High School … Helped lead his team to a Sac-Joaquin section championship … 2019 NorCal Offensive Player of the Year … 2019 Sacramento Bee Player of the Year.

So he’s definitely had a run of tough luck. No senior year due to COVID. Injured his frosh season, then had back QB spot as RS frosh only to be injured for the season, then went to Stanford.

[GoldstoneCat]

Lamson has only been one place— Stanford. So saying that he hasn’t been the full time guy anywhere he’s been is kind of misleading.

He was also at Syracuse.

He didn’t get a senior season in HS. Redshirt at Syracuse, then out with injury before transferring to Stanford for two seasons. His junior year was really good in HS.
2019 NorCal Offensive Player of the Year
2019 Sacramento Bee Player of the Year

Could be he just had some bad breaks along the way that hurt his development. Vigen recruited him out of HS at Wyoming. This has a Sam Darnold/KOC vibe to it.

The short time frame makes it less than ideal. Wish he could go through spring, or that we had 2-3 cupcakes before SDSU.