Portal Begins (MBB)

[AFCAT]

Is Tyler Patterson a Hall of Famer? If so, is he the last MBB hall of famer we have for the foreseeable future?

Hopefully the 2022, 2023, and 2024 teams are inducted someday as going to three NCAA tournaments in a row is nearly unprecedented in the history of the Big Sky Conference. As for individual inductees we may see fewer of those over time as more and more players play for two or three (or more) different teams during their careers.

That's a definite. The teams will absolutely be in the Hall.

[BelligerentBobcat]

I see the MVP of the MonDak (JuCo) conference is available for recruitment.
He is a local kid from Manhattan Christian. Just finished up at Dawson in Glendive.

He would help sell tickets and is a very good player.
I think he would fit in Logie's system, but I am no expert on that.

Let's get him.

I thought I had read he was going to University of Denver?

Too bad they didn’t recruit the Fisher kid from Lewistown.

[MSU01]

Is Tyler Patterson a Hall of Famer? If so, is he the last MBB hall of famer we have for the foreseeable future?

Hopefully the 2022, 2023, and 2024 teams are inducted someday as going to three NCAA tournaments in a row is nearly unprecedented in the history of the Big Sky Conference. As for individual inductees we may see fewer of those over time as more and more players play for two or three (or more) different teams during their careers.

I'd bet a large sum of money that there will never be another BSC team to put a stretch together like that, ever again. At least as long as the current environment is maintained. At least with football, you've got dozens of players that generally return every year. NIL has completely nuked basketball. I doubt I'll ever watch another basketball game again. It's essentially become the NBA-lite. Disgusting.

Even MSU only won the regular season championship once during that three year run, so I would agree with you that what MSU did likely won't be repeated again for a long time. Unless one team rises up to dominate the Big Sky like a team like Gonzaga has in the WCC, but I can't really see that happening in the current year-to-year landscape of college athletics. Coaching continuity will be key and why I think the UM men (assuming Travis stays) and MSU women will both have an advantage here in the next few seasons to stay consistently at or near the top as other teams bounce up and down the standings every year.

[wbtfg]

Is Tyler Patterson a Hall of Famer? If so, is he the last MBB hall of famer we have for the foreseeable future?

Tyler Hall, Robert Ford, Jubrile Bello, Harald Frey, Xavier Bishop, and Raequan Battle will all be in the Hall of Fame someday. I'd be willing to put money on that.

Right.....I'm just saying, I'm not sure when they next time we'll see a hall of fame career. There will be guys like X, Raequan, Robert Ford who transfer in for a year or two. But I'm not sure we'll ever see a Jubrile Bello, Harald Fray, Tyler Hall, etc. come in as Freshmen and play a full, Hall of Fame career with MSU.

[AFCAT]

Is Tyler Patterson a Hall of Famer? If so, is he the last MBB hall of famer we have for the foreseeable future?

Tyler Hall, Robert Ford, Jubrile Bello, Harald Frey, Xavier Bishop, and Raequan Battle will all be in the Hall of Fame someday. I'd be willing to put money on that.

Right.....I'm just saying, I'm not sure when they next time we'll see a hall of fame career. There will be guys like X, Raequan, Robert Ford who transfer in for a year or two. But I'm not sure we'll ever see a Jubrile Bello, Harald Fray, Tyler Hall, etc. come in as Freshmen and play a full, Hall of Fame career with MSU.

Jubrile was a 2 year (played 1) CC transfer as well. Yeah, I'm pretty sure we have seen the last true freshman completing a four or five year HoF career at MSU, at least for non-Montana kids. Slight chance a Montana kid comes in and sticks it out for that long and eventually makes the HoF.

[wapiti]

I see the MVP of the MonDak (JuCo) conference is available for recruitment.
He is a local kid from Manhattan Christian. Just finished up at Dawson in Glendive.

He would help sell tickets and is a very good player.
I think he would fit in Logie's system, but I am no expert on that.

Let's get him.

I thought I had read he was going to University of Denver?

Too bad they didn’t recruit the Fisher kid from Lewistown.

Denver fired their HC.

[rfischer94]

Well... Let's stay positive. Think of all the exiting Commit posts we will have coming up... Like 8 of them!!

I think to make us feel better you also need to officially announce that you will NOT be entering the announcer portal.

Actually some schools are making announcements of returning players.

Very true, I'm just wondering at this point if MSU (men's) will have any of those to make it if we'll have to settle for the TV announcer.

1) I am coming back as TV announcer next year for both Men's and Womens Basketball..
2) You don't want me on the court, only on the Mic.

YAAS!!!!!

[Desert_Bobcat]

Is Tyler Patterson a Hall of Famer? If so, is he the last MBB hall of famer we have for the foreseeable future?

Hopefully the 2022, 2023, and 2024 teams are inducted someday as going to three NCAA tournaments in a row is nearly unprecedented in the history of the Big Sky Conference. As for individual inductees we may see fewer of those over time as more and more players play for two or three (or more) different teams during their careers.

I'd bet a large sum of money that there will never be another BSC team to put a stretch together like that, ever again. At least as long as the current environment is maintained. At least with football, you've got dozens of players that generally return every year. NIL has completely nuked basketball. I doubt I'll ever watch another basketball game again. It's essentially become the NBA-lite. Disgusting.

Even MSU only won the regular season championship once during that three year run, so I would agree with you that what MSU did likely won't be repeated again for a long time. Unless one team rises up to dominate the Big Sky like a team like Gonzaga has in the WCC, but I can't really see that happening in the current year-to-year landscape of college athletics. Coaching continuity will be key and why I think the UM men (assuming Travis stays) and MSU women will both have an advantage here in the next few seasons to stay consistently at or near the top as other teams bounce up and down the standings every year.

Coaching continuity and consistency of the coaching staff and their “identity” will be huge at the BigSky level. That’s why Bin and Travis have had this level of sustained success. Most importantly, they have an identity that they can lean on and they know the type of players they want for their team.

I don’t think Logie has done the best job finding guys that fit his “identity” the last 2 seasons. Not of any fault of his own. His first year he just had to find bodies and this second off-season I think he was still trying to figure out what type of “identity” he wanted his players to have.

If I had a crystal ball I’d say we’re going to see a lot of guys from JuCo and D2 ranks who are high character and care more about the “family” than their individual stat line. Maybe sprinkle in high major guy like a Jabe Mullins. I don’t like the idea of just targeting high school super stars who started off at the high/mid major level and end up bouncing around from program to program, been abused by the system and who are a cancer to every team they’ve been on.

I’ll reiterate though, I think MSU has the coach to have sustained success in the BigSky. He just needs the players. And to get the players you need money. The rumor is that the NIL budget for the men’s program is $100k (more than likely less for the women). That number needs to be around $250-300k in order to keep quality players around for more than one year. That and signing players to 2 and 3 year NIL deals instead of paying them one lump sum out the gate. If they want to get paid like a professional athlete, then treat them as such. Carry contract incentives and penalties that ding them and the school they transfer to if they violate the terms of their contract.
I absolutely hate that this is what it’s come to in collegiate athletics, but it’s adapt or die. With the success and support football gets it’s a shame that both basketballs and volleyball don’t get equal amounts of support

[Common Cat]

If we are going to play at a deficit of talent (offensively) we out to sure as heck rough you up defensively. Logie’s teams haven’t embodied that toughness that plays so well in a place like MSU.

[BelligerentBobcat]

Is Tyler Patterson a Hall of Famer? If so, is he the last MBB hall of famer we have for the foreseeable future?

Hopefully the 2022, 2023, and 2024 teams are inducted someday as going to three NCAA tournaments in a row is nearly unprecedented in the history of the Big Sky Conference. As for individual inductees we may see fewer of those over time as more and more players play for two or three (or more) different teams during their careers.

I'd bet a large sum of money that there will never be another BSC team to put a stretch together like that, ever again. At least as long as the current environment is maintained. At least with football, you've got dozens of players that generally return every year. NIL has completely nuked basketball. I doubt I'll ever watch another basketball game again. It's essentially become the NBA-lite. Disgusting.

Even MSU only won the regular season championship once during that three year run, so I would agree with you that what MSU did likely won't be repeated again for a long time. Unless one team rises up to dominate the Big Sky like a team like Gonzaga has in the WCC, but I can't really see that happening in the current year-to-year landscape of college athletics. Coaching continuity will be key and why I think the UM men (assuming Travis stays) and MSU women will both have an advantage here in the next few seasons to stay consistently at or near the top as other teams bounce up and down the standings every year.

Coaching continuity and consistency of the coaching staff and their “identity” will be huge at the BigSky level. That’s why Bin and Travis have had this level of sustained success. Most importantly, they have an identity that they can lean on and they know the type of players they want for their team.

I don’t think Logie has done the best job finding guys that fit his “identity” the last 2 seasons. Not of any fault of his own. His first year he just had to find bodies and this second off-season I think he was still trying to figure out what type of “identity” he wanted his players to have.

If I had a crystal ball I’d say we’re going to see a lot of guys from JuCo and D2 ranks who are high character and care more about the “family” than their individual stat line. Maybe sprinkle in high major guy like a Jabe Mullins. I don’t like the idea of just targeting high school super stars who started off at the high/mid major level and end up bouncing around from program to program, been abused by the system and who are a cancer to every team they’ve been on.

I’ll reiterate though, I think MSU has the coach to have sustained success in the BigSky. He just needs the players. And to get the players you need money. The rumor is that the NIL budget for the men’s program is $100k (more than likely less for the women). That number needs to be around $250-300k in order to keep quality players around for more than one year. That and signing players to 2 and 3 year NIL deals instead of paying them one lump sum out the gate. If they want to get paid like a professional athlete, then treat them as such. Carry contract incentives and penalties that ding them and the school they transfer to if they violate the terms of their contract.
I absolutely hate that this is what it’s come to in collegiate athletics, but it’s adapt or die. With the success and support football gets it’s a shame that both basketballs and volleyball don’t get equal amounts of support

Not any fault of his own he hasn’t found the right guys? I like Logie, but let’s be real here, if he hasn’t figured out what identity he wants and how to identify that talent, he isn’t gonna make it here. He’s not a first time HC. I think that’s a weak excuse.

[duelalumnicat]

If Seth Amunrud, the Mon-Dak MVP from Manhattan Christian, who plays for Dawson Community College, has re-opened his recruitment, I hope Coach Logie is talking to him. It has been reported that Joe Peterson, who has been the head coach and athletic director at Dawson for 10 years and played men’s basketball for two seasons at the school in the mid-90s, said, “In our 67 years of basketball here at Dawson, he might be the best Montanan that we’ve ever had come through here.”

[Desert_Bobcat]

Is Tyler Patterson a Hall of Famer? If so, is he the last MBB hall of famer we have for the foreseeable future?

Hopefully the 2022, 2023, and 2024 teams are inducted someday as going to three NCAA tournaments in a row is nearly unprecedented in the history of the Big Sky Conference. As for individual inductees we may see fewer of those over time as more and more players play for two or three (or more) different teams during their careers.

I'd bet a large sum of money that there will never be another BSC team to put a stretch together like that, ever again. At least as long as the current environment is maintained. At least with football, you've got dozens of players that generally return every year. NIL has completely nuked basketball. I doubt I'll ever watch another basketball game again. It's essentially become the NBA-lite. Disgusting.

Even MSU only won the regular season championship once during that three year run, so I would agree with you that what MSU did likely won't be repeated again for a long time. Unless one team rises up to dominate the Big Sky like a team like Gonzaga has in the WCC, but I can't really see that happening in the current year-to-year landscape of college athletics. Coaching continuity will be key and why I think the UM men (assuming Travis stays) and MSU women will both have an advantage here in the next few seasons to stay consistently at or near the top as other teams bounce up and down the standings every year.

Coaching continuity and consistency of the coaching staff and their “identity” will be huge at the BigSky level. That’s why Bin and Travis have had this level of sustained success. Most importantly, they have an identity that they can lean on and they know the type of players they want for their team.

I don’t think Logie has done the best job finding guys that fit his “identity” the last 2 seasons. Not of any fault of his own. His first year he just had to find bodies and this second off-season I think he was still trying to figure out what type of “identity” he wanted his players to have.

If I had a crystal ball I’d say we’re going to see a lot of guys from JuCo and D2 ranks who are high character and care more about the “family” than their individual stat line. Maybe sprinkle in high major guy like a Jabe Mullins. I don’t like the idea of just targeting high school super stars who started off at the high/mid major level and end up bouncing around from program to program, been abused by the system and who are a cancer to every team they’ve been on.

I’ll reiterate though, I think MSU has the coach to have sustained success in the BigSky. He just needs the players. And to get the players you need money. The rumor is that the NIL budget for the men’s program is $100k (more than likely less for the women). That number needs to be around $250-300k in order to keep quality players around for more than one year. That and signing players to 2 and 3 year NIL deals instead of paying them one lump sum out the gate. If they want to get paid like a professional athlete, then treat them as such. Carry contract incentives and penalties that ding them and the school they transfer to if they violate the terms of their contract.
I absolutely hate that this is what it’s come to in collegiate athletics, but it’s adapt or die. With the success and support football gets it’s a shame that both basketballs and volleyball don’t get equal amounts of support

Not any fault of his own he hasn’t found the right guys? I like Logie, but let’s be real here, if he hasn’t figured out what identity he wants and how to identify that talent, he isn’t gonna make it here. He’s not a first time HC. I think that’s a weak excuse.

You’re definitely not wrong. I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt though given he was the last D1 head coach hired his first season. Not an excuse, just a variable at play.
When I say “find an identity” maybe I mean retool your identity from a player character perspective. If you look at last years roster you saw a lot of team first guys. Tyler, Sam, Jed, Brian, Jabe, Chika, Pat, Bryce even I’d consider a team first guy. There is a reason why you saw all their minutes increase the last 4 games of the season. Logie wants guys who care more about the number in the win column than their individual stats. I’m not saying that the 2 guys I specifically haven’t named didn’t care about wins, but their respective “games” weren’t conducive to the benefit of the greater good. You need guys who are all willing to row boat in the same direction. And Logie seems to want guys who are willing to move the ball, play with a high motor off the ball, and can pass effectively. I would like to see an emphasis on playing hard-nosed defense and getting O and D boards though. MSU has been at the bottom of the conference in rebounds the last 2 years and I’d love to see that change.

[MSU01]

With baseball season starting this week I think the analogy I'd use for Logie's recruiting so far is that he has hit plenty of singles and doubles but hasn't been able to hit any home runs yet, which he'll need to do to get out of the middle of the pack and up to the top of the standings.

[grizzh8r]

If we are going to play at a deficit of talent (offensively) we out to sure as heck rough you up defensively. Logie’s teams haven’t embodied that toughness that plays so well in a place like MSU.

Bingo. Sprinkle's teams had tougness and far better rebounding skill.

[tetoncat]

Hos identity worked ar D2 might not for D1 and needs to adapt and find a combo of his identity and what can win in big sky

[lutecat]

Is Tyler Patterson a Hall of Famer? If so, is he the last MBB hall of famer we have for the foreseeable future?

Tyler Hall, Robert Ford, Jubrile Bello, Harald Frey, Xavier Bishop, and Raequan Battle will all be in the Hall of Fame someday. I'd be willing to put money on that.

F that. I support everyone but Battle going in. If all he did was transfer then so be it and I'm good with it. But to pretend moving all the way across the country to a strange environment was about mental health... Mental health is real and to hide behind it when it's not true just makes it so that people that truly have mental health issues are more likely to not be believed.

[mslacatfan]

No player that transfers out should be eligible for the HOF. Period!

I have said the same thing for football with players like Ifanse. I would have said the same thing if troy or Tommy had left their senior year. I don’t care how talented you might be.

NOT ELIGIBLE FOR HOF IF YOU TRANSFER OUT.

[MSU01]

No player that transfers out should be eligible for the HOF. Period!

I have said the same thing for football with players like Ifanse. I would have said the same thing if troy or Tommy had left their senior year. I don’t care how talented you might be.

NOT ELIGIBLE FOR HOF IF YOU TRANSFER OUT.

To me the main question should be, did the player stay for four years and graduate from MSU? In the case of players like Ifanse and Darian White, the answer is yes and I think both of those players should absolutely be in the Hall of Fame someday. They each got an unexpected fifth year of eligibility due to Covid and I don't begrudge them for deciding to move on with their lives after graduating from MSU.

[tetoncat]

No player that transfers out should be eligible for the HOF. Period!

I have said the same thing for football with players like Ifanse. I would have said the same thing if troy or Tommy had left their senior year. I don’t care how talented you might be.

NOT ELIGIBLE FOR HOF IF YOU TRANSFER OUT.

To me the main question should be, did the player stay for four years and graduate from MSU? In the case of players like Ifanse and Darian White, the answer is yes and I think both of those players should absolutely be in the Hall of Fame someday. They each got an unexpected fifth year of eligibility due to Covid and I don't begrudge them for deciding to move on with their lives after graduating from MSU.

Completely agree with those. Also if player redshirt, plays 3 and graduates, I'm fine with 1 year graduate transfer getting in

[The Butcher]

No player that transfers out should be eligible for the HOF. Period!

I have said the same thing for football with players like Ifanse. I would have said the same thing if troy or Tommy had left their senior year. I don’t care how talented you might be.

NOT ELIGIBLE FOR HOF IF YOU TRANSFER OUT.

I fall in this camp.