Justin Lamson Transfers in

[Cataholic]

a tall receiver sounds good just through the ball in the air and let him go get it don't have to run 4.0 40ty

If he has good hands and runs good routes, then he’s a good prospect. We know he’s a good athlete and he has serviceable speed.

I mean…do we know that?

Averaged 22 points, 11 rebounds his senior year of high school. Probably runs a sub 4.6 40 based on running 4.68 in high school. IMO that’s pretty athletic. Just the fact that he signed here to play quarterback almost says he’s athletic by itself.
He filled up the stat sheet
21.6 ppg
11.8 rpg
5.7 apg
0.9 spg
2.3 bpg

Do you have any idea how fast a sub 4.6 is?

No, but it’s faster than Jerry Rice who ran a 4.71. A 4.68 is a sign of good athleticism. That’s what Reed ran in high school and I’d guess he’s below that now.
Basketball is probably the one sport that requires the most athletic ability on average. Being 6-6 and agile and coordinated enough to put up the numbers he did is a strong sign of athleticism. Quarterbacks are often among the most athletic players in football, which is why football coaches sign them and move them to different positions.
But, you’re right “WE don’t know” exactly how athletic he is, which is true for a majority of the players on the team.
Additionally, no one knows how this going to work out but people don’t typically look at a move like this and speculate about how it’s NOT going to work out. I certainly don’t expect him to start this year. He could fail and enter the portal or go play hoops at a Frontier school for all we know.
No one has baptized him the next Harold Carmichael. People are just having fun with the possibilities of this move. We see players change positions and succeed once in a while, we like our players and we hope for the best so we like to look at the positives of what could come of this move. I’m not sure why that triggered you.

Triggered? Lol. Some people like to use that whenever they get questioned. It’s pretty cute.

Anyways, I hope he does great too. Always awesome to have good players. But as an FYI, hand timed 40’s from coaches mean literally nothing. We’ve seen lots of players come in here with claimed 4.4 40’s and they weren’t anywhere close to that. Heck, Jaharie Martin came in at 6’0 and magically shrunk a couple inches. I’ll be done now, but literally all I’m saying is that while Reed may be a good athlete for a WR, we don’t know that yet.

Well, that’s exactly what I did: answer your question.

“Triggered” means that you’re put off by a comment or opinion that someone has, among other things. It’s especially noticeable when that opinion or comment is fairly innocuous if not entirely understandable.

Your communication skills are poor and I’m glad that you’re developing the self awareness to notice that. It will save you from these kinds of humiliating discussions in the future.

No one said Reed is such an incredible athlete that they think he’s a lock to start. Everyone probably has a similar take to yours of his ability to become a WR here. Fans tend to look for how it might work. Especially on a team like this one where it’s loaded with good athletes and has a history of moving players to new positions with great payoffs. Especially the QBs.

I think triggered is a pretty good description on your part. The guy have commented on multiple threads about Reed’s athleticism, and he has absolutely no evidence to even question it. You also were correct that most posters don’t focus on why it’s NOT going to work out for a player. This poster does it all the time. I don’t get it, expect that he wants to make it clear that he is the “smartest guy in the room”.

[Vamos Gatos Vamos]

Now add a 41” vertical.

Do you have any idea how high a 41" vertical is?

[Vamos Gatos Vamos]

I'll take a kid who's willing to give up the dream of quarterbacking one of the top teams in the country, and I'll take a 6'6" athletic stud with a 41" vertical at receiver all day. How many db's can out jump him? This is going to be really good.

[ilovethecats]

Lamson, Wilson, Warren, Reed, Duchien

At least 3 of these guys want to be and expect to be the starter. Maybe throw Warren in as well. Will be an interesting to see who hits the portal this spring. Any of you in the know have opinions?

Think Reed is gonna move to WR. I like it.

He's a 6'6" pocket quarterback

I was told this by someone after the weekend. A guy that I knew he knew what he was talking about. Fans may see a 6'6 pocket quarterback. The coaches see an athletic 6'6 frame from a kid that was falling down the depth chart. A kid who loves this team and wants to contribute any way he can. I have no idea if he'll succeed as a wide receiver. But I have no reason to doubt this staff. If they think he has an opportunity to help us, then I'll take that 6'6 pocket passer catching passes all day long.

[BelligerentBobcat]

a tall receiver sounds good just through the ball in the air and let him go get it don't have to run 4.0 40ty

If he has good hands and runs good routes, then he’s a good prospect. We know he’s a good athlete and he has serviceable speed.

I mean…do we know that?

Averaged 22 points, 11 rebounds his senior year of high school. Probably runs a sub 4.6 40 based on running 4.68 in high school. IMO that’s pretty athletic. Just the fact that he signed here to play quarterback almost says he’s athletic by itself.
He filled up the stat sheet
21.6 ppg
11.8 rpg
5.7 apg
0.9 spg
2.3 bpg

Do you have any idea how fast a sub 4.6 is?

No, but it’s faster than Jerry Rice who ran a 4.71. A 4.68 is a sign of good athleticism. That’s what Reed ran in high school and I’d guess he’s below that now.
Basketball is probably the one sport that requires the most athletic ability on average. Being 6-6 and agile and coordinated enough to put up the numbers he did is a strong sign of athleticism. Quarterbacks are often among the most athletic players in football, which is why football coaches sign them and move them to different positions.
But, you’re right “WE don’t know” exactly how athletic he is, which is true for a majority of the players on the team.
Additionally, no one knows how this going to work out but people don’t typically look at a move like this and speculate about how it’s NOT going to work out. I certainly don’t expect him to start this year. He could fail and enter the portal or go play hoops at a Frontier school for all we know.
No one has baptized him the next Harold Carmichael. People are just having fun with the possibilities of this move. We see players change positions and succeed once in a while, we like our players and we hope for the best so we like to look at the positives of what could come of this move. I’m not sure why that triggered you.

Triggered? Lol. Some people like to use that whenever they get questioned. It’s pretty cute.

Anyways, I hope he does great too. Always awesome to have good players. But as an FYI, hand timed 40’s from coaches mean literally nothing. We’ve seen lots of players come in here with claimed 4.4 40’s and they weren’t anywhere close to that. Heck, Jaharie Martin came in at 6’0 and magically shrunk a couple inches. I’ll be done now, but literally all I’m saying is that while Reed may be a good athlete for a WR, we don’t know that yet.

Well, that’s exactly what I did: answer your question.

“Triggered” means that you’re put off by a comment or opinion that someone has, among other things. It’s especially noticeable when that opinion or comment is fairly innocuous if not entirely understandable.

Your communication skills are poor and I’m glad that you’re developing the self awareness to notice that. It will save you from these kinds of humiliating discussions in the future.

No one said Reed is such an incredible athlete that they think he’s a lock to start. Everyone probably has a similar take to yours of his ability to become a WR here. Fans tend to look for how it might work. Especially on a team like this one where it’s loaded with good athletes and has a history of moving players to new positions with great payoffs. Especially the QBs.

I think triggered is a pretty good description on your part. The guy have commented on multiple threads about Reed’s athleticism, and he has absolutely no evidence to even question it. You also were correct that most posters don’t focus on why it’s NOT going to work out for a player. This poster does it all the time. I don’t get it, expect that he wants to make it clear that he is the “smartest guy in the room”.

I think I’ve only talked about Reed in this thread, but perhaps I’m wrong.

I never said this switch wouldn’t work either. I’m not even saying he’s not a good athlete! Literally, all I’m saying is that we haven’t seen any evidence of this good athleticism on the field. That doesn’t mean it’s not there, we just don’t know. A self claimed 40 time and basketball stats also isn’t tangible evidence. I hope Reed is awesome, I think it’s great he’s willing to try to stick around and find a place to help the team. You guys are making this out to be a way bigger deal than what it is. It’s okay to question narratives guys. Some could say it’s even healthy. We’re all allowed to view things how we want. I’m not the super homer fan that you are, and that’s okay for both of us. Not a big deal, dude.

[iaafan]

a tall receiver sounds good just through the ball in the air and let him go get it don't have to run 4.0 40ty

If he has good hands and runs good routes, then he’s a good prospect. We know he’s a good athlete and he has serviceable speed.

I mean…do we know that?

Averaged 22 points, 11 rebounds his senior year of high school. Probably runs a sub 4.6 40 based on running 4.68 in high school. IMO that’s pretty athletic. Just the fact that he signed here to play quarterback almost says he’s athletic by itself.
He filled up the stat sheet
21.6 ppg
11.8 rpg
5.7 apg
0.9 spg
2.3 bpg

Do you have any idea how fast a sub 4.6 is?

No, but it’s faster than Jerry Rice who ran a 4.71. A 4.68 is a sign of good athleticism. That’s what Reed ran in high school and I’d guess he’s below that now.
Basketball is probably the one sport that requires the most athletic ability on average. Being 6-6 and agile and coordinated enough to put up the numbers he did is a strong sign of athleticism. Quarterbacks are often among the most athletic players in football, which is why football coaches sign them and move them to different positions.
But, you’re right “WE don’t know” exactly how athletic he is, which is true for a majority of the players on the team.
Additionally, no one knows how this going to work out but people don’t typically look at a move like this and speculate about how it’s NOT going to work out. I certainly don’t expect him to start this year. He could fail and enter the portal or go play hoops at a Frontier school for all we know.
No one has baptized him the next Harold Carmichael. People are just having fun with the possibilities of this move. We see players change positions and succeed once in a while, we like our players and we hope for the best so we like to look at the positives of what could come of this move. I’m not sure why that triggered you.

Triggered? Lol. Some people like to use that whenever they get questioned. It’s pretty cute.

Anyways, I hope he does great too. Always awesome to have good players. But as an FYI, hand timed 40’s from coaches mean literally nothing. We’ve seen lots of players come in here with claimed 4.4 40’s and they weren’t anywhere close to that. Heck, Jaharie Martin came in at 6’0 and magically shrunk a couple inches. I’ll be done now, but literally all I’m saying is that while Reed may be a good athlete for a WR, we don’t know that yet.

Well, that’s exactly what I did: answer your question.

“Triggered” means that you’re put off by a comment or opinion that someone has, among other things. It’s especially noticeable when that opinion or comment is fairly innocuous if not entirely understandable.

Your communication skills are poor and I’m glad that you’re developing the self awareness to notice that. It will save you from these kinds of humiliating discussions in the future.

No one said Reed is such an incredible athlete that they think he’s a lock to start. Everyone probably has a similar take to yours of his ability to become a WR here. Fans tend to look for how it might work. Especially on a team like this one where it’s loaded with good athletes and has a history of moving players to new positions with great payoffs. Especially the QBs.

I think triggered is a pretty good description on your part. The guy have commented on multiple threads about Reed’s athleticism, and he has absolutely no evidence to even question it. You also were correct that most posters don’t focus on why it’s NOT going to work out for a player. This poster does it all the time. I don’t get it, expect that he wants to make it clear that he is the “smartest guy in the room”.

I think I’ve only talked about Reed in this thread, but perhaps I’m wrong.

I never said this switch wouldn’t work either. I’m not even saying he’s not a good athlete! Literally, all I’m saying is that we haven’t seen any evidence of this good athleticism on the field. That doesn’t mean it’s not there, we just don’t know. A self claimed 40 time and basketball stats also isn’t tangible evidence. I hope Reed is awesome, I think it’s great he’s willing to try to stick around and find a place to help the team. You guys are making this out to be a way bigger deal than what it is. It’s okay to question narratives guys. Some could say it’s even healthy. We’re all allowed to view things how we want. I’m not the super homer fan that you are, and that’s okay for both of us. Not a big deal, dude.

Let's review, shall we? You had two distinct questions.
1st - kaner said, a tall receiver...just throw it up there and let him go get it.
Then, I said: ...we know he's a good athlete.
You questioned: do we know that?
I gave several examples of why I think so, including that he probably runs a sub 4.6 40. (I kind of thought you'd drop it at that point)
You questioned: do you know how fast a 4.6 40 is?
I said, no, despite having a good idea, but thought it would be easier to just say, no, and point out that Jerry Rice ran a 4.71 40. I thought he was fast because he would regularly outrun DBs to the end zone despite carrying a football in one arm. (Again, I kind of thought you'd drop it)
You then went to a different tact and that's fine.

I'm not a 'super fan' that wears rose colored glasses for everything MSU and I don't think anyone's comments on Reed makes them a super fan. I think anyone who keeps pressing the issue after getting fairly logical, reasonable responses is just being stubborn. It's like you had an idea of where you wanted to lead the conversation and it isn't going where you want it to, so you're looking for a new angle. You're also acting like people are penciling Reed into the rotation at WR, which no one is even remotely close to doing.

I'm of the mind that it's self-evident that anyone that plays football and basketball in high school at the level that Reed does is a good athlete. Without even watching someone play, if they put up the numbers that he put up, then I'm of the mind that he or she is a top-flight athlete. In the top 1% of all athletes in high school.

Yes, it's okay to question narratives. There really isn't a narrative here though. No one is making any big claims about Reed being the next Jerry Rice or even finding a spot in the rotation. The narrative, if there is one, is that it's intriguing. You seem intrigued too, perhaps in a different way but lets not split hairs. You're questioning whether he can do it or not, basically like everyone else, except you can't get past the fact that's he's most likely a good athlete based on what there is to know about him.

Additionally: Reed played at Central Union High School in CA. It has an enrollment of 2,000 students, which would make it the biggest or second biggest HS in Montana. He probably competes against better competition than anyone from Montana competes against. I'm saying this to give his stats some prespective. I don't even know the last time a AA MT hooper averaged 22+ points, 12 rebounds, 6 assists per game. I seriously wonder if anyone has.

We're all in agreement that we want him to be good, but no one is holding their breath. We all realize that he could just as easily hit the portal after spring ball as he is not to. He certainly isn't the biggest long shot we've ever seen.

[catatac]

This kind of reminds me of a hypothetical here. Let's say Tommy gets picked up by an NFL team, and somebody on said team's message board posts something about him being athletic. I bet some other posters would say... "Ya, maybe athletic by small college standards but we'll see if he's truly athletic on an NFL football field." lol

[BelligerentBobcat]

This kind of reminds me of a hypothetical here. Let's say Tommy gets picked up by an NFL team, and somebody on said team's message board posts something about him being athletic. I bet some other posters would say... "Ya, maybe athletic by small college standards but we'll see if he's truly athletic on an NFL football field." lol

But Tommy has already done the same testing comparatively to a player from, say, Georgia. It’s not really the same.

[BelligerentBobcat]

If he has good hands and runs good routes, then he’s a good prospect. We know he’s a good athlete and he has serviceable speed.

I mean…do we know that?

Averaged 22 points, 11 rebounds his senior year of high school. Probably runs a sub 4.6 40 based on running 4.68 in high school. IMO that’s pretty athletic. Just the fact that he signed here to play quarterback almost says he’s athletic by itself.
He filled up the stat sheet
21.6 ppg
11.8 rpg
5.7 apg
0.9 spg
2.3 bpg

Do you have any idea how fast a sub 4.6 is?

No, but it’s faster than Jerry Rice who ran a 4.71. A 4.68 is a sign of good athleticism. That’s what Reed ran in high school and I’d guess he’s below that now.
Basketball is probably the one sport that requires the most athletic ability on average. Being 6-6 and agile and coordinated enough to put up the numbers he did is a strong sign of athleticism. Quarterbacks are often among the most athletic players in football, which is why football coaches sign them and move them to different positions.
But, you’re right “WE don’t know” exactly how athletic he is, which is true for a majority of the players on the team.
Additionally, no one knows how this going to work out but people don’t typically look at a move like this and speculate about how it’s NOT going to work out. I certainly don’t expect him to start this year. He could fail and enter the portal or go play hoops at a Frontier school for all we know.
No one has baptized him the next Harold Carmichael. People are just having fun with the possibilities of this move. We see players change positions and succeed once in a while, we like our players and we hope for the best so we like to look at the positives of what could come of this move. I’m not sure why that triggered you.

Triggered? Lol. Some people like to use that whenever they get questioned. It’s pretty cute.

Anyways, I hope he does great too. Always awesome to have good players. But as an FYI, hand timed 40’s from coaches mean literally nothing. We’ve seen lots of players come in here with claimed 4.4 40’s and they weren’t anywhere close to that. Heck, Jaharie Martin came in at 6’0 and magically shrunk a couple inches. I’ll be done now, but literally all I’m saying is that while Reed may be a good athlete for a WR, we don’t know that yet.

Well, that’s exactly what I did: answer your question.

“Triggered” means that you’re put off by a comment or opinion that someone has, among other things. It’s especially noticeable when that opinion or comment is fairly innocuous if not entirely understandable.

Your communication skills are poor and I’m glad that you’re developing the self awareness to notice that. It will save you from these kinds of humiliating discussions in the future.

No one said Reed is such an incredible athlete that they think he’s a lock to start. Everyone probably has a similar take to yours of his ability to become a WR here. Fans tend to look for how it might work. Especially on a team like this one where it’s loaded with good athletes and has a history of moving players to new positions with great payoffs. Especially the QBs.

I think triggered is a pretty good description on your part. The guy have commented on multiple threads about Reed’s athleticism, and he has absolutely no evidence to even question it. You also were correct that most posters don’t focus on why it’s NOT going to work out for a player. This poster does it all the time. I don’t get it, expect that he wants to make it clear that he is the “smartest guy in the room”.

I think I’ve only talked about Reed in this thread, but perhaps I’m wrong.

I never said this switch wouldn’t work either. I’m not even saying he’s not a good athlete! Literally, all I’m saying is that we haven’t seen any evidence of this good athleticism on the field. That doesn’t mean it’s not there, we just don’t know. A self claimed 40 time and basketball stats also isn’t tangible evidence. I hope Reed is awesome, I think it’s great he’s willing to try to stick around and find a place to help the team. You guys are making this out to be a way bigger deal than what it is. It’s okay to question narratives guys. Some could say it’s even healthy. We’re all allowed to view things how we want. I’m not the super homer fan that you are, and that’s okay for both of us. Not a big deal, dude.

Let's review, shall we? You had two distinct questions.
1st - kaner said, a tall receiver...just throw it up there and let him go get it.
Then, I said: ...we know he's a good athlete.
You questioned: do we know that?
I gave several examples of why I think so, including that he probably runs a sub 4.6 40. (I kind of thought you'd drop it at that point)
You questioned: do you know how fast a 4.6 40 is?
I said, no, despite having a good idea, but thought it would be easier to just say, no, and point out that Jerry Rice ran a 4.71 40. I thought he was fast because he would regularly outrun DBs to the end zone despite carrying a football in one arm. (Again, I kind of thought you'd drop it)
You then went to a different tact and that's fine.

I'm not a 'super fan' that wears rose colored glasses for everything MSU and I don't think anyone's comments on Reed makes them a super fan. I think anyone who keeps pressing the issue after getting fairly logical, reasonable responses is just being stubborn. It's like you had an idea of where you wanted to lead the conversation and it isn't going where you want it to, so you're looking for a new angle. You're also acting like people are penciling Reed into the rotation at WR, which no one is even remotely close to doing.

I'm of the mind that it's self-evident that anyone that plays football and basketball in high school at the level that Reed does is a good athlete. Without even watching someone play, if they put up the numbers that he put up, then I'm of the mind that he or she is a top-flight athlete. In the top 1% of all athletes in high school.

Yes, it's okay to question narratives. There really isn't a narrative here though. No one is making any big claims about Reed being the next Jerry Rice or even finding a spot in the rotation. The narrative, if there is one, is that it's intriguing. You seem intrigued too, perhaps in a different way but lets not split hairs. You're questioning whether he can do it or not, basically like everyone else, except you can't get past the fact that's he's most likely a good athlete based on what there is to know about him.

Additionally: Reed played at Central Union High School in CA. It has an enrollment of 2,000 students, which would make it the biggest or second biggest HS in Montana. He probably competes against better competition than anyone from Montana competes against. I'm saying this to give his stats some prespective. I don't even know the last time a AA MT hooper averaged 22+ points, 12 rebounds, 6 assists per game. I seriously wonder if anyone has.

We're all in agreement that we want him to be good, but no one is holding their breath. We all realize that he could just as easily hit the portal after spring ball as he is not to. He certainly isn't the biggest long shot we've ever seen.

Not to belabor a point, but you’re basing your “probably sub 4.6 40” off of a self reported 4.68 HS 40.

Go look at how many players that are 6’6 230 at the NFL combine run a sub 4.6. These are the best of the best. So no, I don’t think you know how fast a 4.6 is.

[Cataholic]

This kind of reminds me of a hypothetical here. Let's say Tommy gets picked up by an NFL team, and somebody on said team's message board posts something about him being athletic. I bet some other posters would say... "Ya, maybe athletic by small college standards but we'll see if he's truly athletic on an NFL football field." lol

But Tommy has already done the same testing comparatively to a player from, say, Georgia. It’s not really the same.

What did you say about Tommy coming out of high school? Without looking, I am guessing you said he should play safety.

[seataccat]

This kind of reminds me of a hypothetical here. Let's say Tommy gets picked up by an NFL team, and somebody on said team's message board posts something about him being athletic. I bet some other posters would say... "Ya, maybe athletic by small college standards but we'll see if he's truly athletic on an NFL football field." lol

But Tommy has already done the same testing comparatively to a player from, say, Georgia. It’s not really the same.

So you're saying that combine testing is the equivalent of being athletic? I don't think you implied that in your prior posts about Reed. In fact you argued that his hoops numbers don't imply athletic ability. I think the analogy catatac made is really good.

[Cataholic]

I mean…do we know that?

Averaged 22 points, 11 rebounds his senior year of high school. Probably runs a sub 4.6 40 based on running 4.68 in high school. IMO that’s pretty athletic. Just the fact that he signed here to play quarterback almost says he’s athletic by itself.
He filled up the stat sheet
21.6 ppg
11.8 rpg
5.7 apg
0.9 spg
2.3 bpg

Do you have any idea how fast a sub 4.6 is?

No, but it’s faster than Jerry Rice who ran a 4.71. A 4.68 is a sign of good athleticism. That’s what Reed ran in high school and I’d guess he’s below that now.
Basketball is probably the one sport that requires the most athletic ability on average. Being 6-6 and agile and coordinated enough to put up the numbers he did is a strong sign of athleticism. Quarterbacks are often among the most athletic players in football, which is why football coaches sign them and move them to different positions.
But, you’re right “WE don’t know” exactly how athletic he is, which is true for a majority of the players on the team.
Additionally, no one knows how this going to work out but people don’t typically look at a move like this and speculate about how it’s NOT going to work out. I certainly don’t expect him to start this year. He could fail and enter the portal or go play hoops at a Frontier school for all we know.
No one has baptized him the next Harold Carmichael. People are just having fun with the possibilities of this move. We see players change positions and succeed once in a while, we like our players and we hope for the best so we like to look at the positives of what could come of this move. I’m not sure why that triggered you.

Triggered? Lol. Some people like to use that whenever they get questioned. It’s pretty cute.

Anyways, I hope he does great too. Always awesome to have good players. But as an FYI, hand timed 40’s from coaches mean literally nothing. We’ve seen lots of players come in here with claimed 4.4 40’s and they weren’t anywhere close to that. Heck, Jaharie Martin came in at 6’0 and magically shrunk a couple inches. I’ll be done now, but literally all I’m saying is that while Reed may be a good athlete for a WR, we don’t know that yet.

Well, that’s exactly what I did: answer your question.

“Triggered” means that you’re put off by a comment or opinion that someone has, among other things. It’s especially noticeable when that opinion or comment is fairly innocuous if not entirely understandable.

Your communication skills are poor and I’m glad that you’re developing the self awareness to notice that. It will save you from these kinds of humiliating discussions in the future.

No one said Reed is such an incredible athlete that they think he’s a lock to start. Everyone probably has a similar take to yours of his ability to become a WR here. Fans tend to look for how it might work. Especially on a team like this one where it’s loaded with good athletes and has a history of moving players to new positions with great payoffs. Especially the QBs.

I think triggered is a pretty good description on your part. The guy have commented on multiple threads about Reed’s athleticism, and he has absolutely no evidence to even question it. You also were correct that most posters don’t focus on why it’s NOT going to work out for a player. This poster does it all the time. I don’t get it, expect that he wants to make it clear that he is the “smartest guy in the room”.

I think I’ve only talked about Reed in this thread, but perhaps I’m wrong.

I never said this switch wouldn’t work either. I’m not even saying he’s not a good athlete! Literally, all I’m saying is that we haven’t seen any evidence of this good athleticism on the field. That doesn’t mean it’s not there, we just don’t know. A self claimed 40 time and basketball stats also isn’t tangible evidence. I hope Reed is awesome, I think it’s great he’s willing to try to stick around and find a place to help the team. You guys are making this out to be a way bigger deal than what it is. It’s okay to question narratives guys. Some could say it’s even healthy. We’re all allowed to view things how we want. I’m not the super homer fan that you are, and that’s okay for both of us. Not a big deal, dude.

Let's review, shall we? You had two distinct questions.
1st - kaner said, a tall receiver...just throw it up there and let him go get it.
Then, I said: ...we know he's a good athlete.
You questioned: do we know that?
I gave several examples of why I think so, including that he probably runs a sub 4.6 40. (I kind of thought you'd drop it at that point)
You questioned: do you know how fast a 4.6 40 is?
I said, no, despite having a good idea, but thought it would be easier to just say, no, and point out that Jerry Rice ran a 4.71 40. I thought he was fast because he would regularly outrun DBs to the end zone despite carrying a football in one arm. (Again, I kind of thought you'd drop it)
You then went to a different tact and that's fine.

I'm not a 'super fan' that wears rose colored glasses for everything MSU and I don't think anyone's comments on Reed makes them a super fan. I think anyone who keeps pressing the issue after getting fairly logical, reasonable responses is just being stubborn. It's like you had an idea of where you wanted to lead the conversation and it isn't going where you want it to, so you're looking for a new angle. You're also acting like people are penciling Reed into the rotation at WR, which no one is even remotely close to doing.

I'm of the mind that it's self-evident that anyone that plays football and basketball in high school at the level that Reed does is a good athlete. Without even watching someone play, if they put up the numbers that he put up, then I'm of the mind that he or she is a top-flight athlete. In the top 1% of all athletes in high school.

Yes, it's okay to question narratives. There really isn't a narrative here though. No one is making any big claims about Reed being the next Jerry Rice or even finding a spot in the rotation. The narrative, if there is one, is that it's intriguing. You seem intrigued too, perhaps in a different way but lets not split hairs. You're questioning whether he can do it or not, basically like everyone else, except you can't get past the fact that's he's most likely a good athlete based on what there is to know about him.

Additionally: Reed played at Central Union High School in CA. It has an enrollment of 2,000 students, which would make it the biggest or second biggest HS in Montana. He probably competes against better competition than anyone from Montana competes against. I'm saying this to give his stats some prespective. I don't even know the last time a AA MT hooper averaged 22+ points, 12 rebounds, 6 assists per game. I seriously wonder if anyone has.

We're all in agreement that we want him to be good, but no one is holding their breath. We all realize that he could just as easily hit the portal after spring ball as he is not to. He certainly isn't the biggest long shot we've ever seen.

Not to belabor a point, but you’re basing your “probably sub 4.6 40” off of a self reported 4.68 HS 40.

Go look at how many players that are 6’6 230 at the NFL combine run a sub 4.6. These are the best of the best. So no, I don’t think you know how fast a 4.6 is.

Give it a break. You don’t how or where the kid posted the 4.68. It could have been at a QB high school prospect camp where they document such measurables. He is clearly a good athlete. Comes from a big school where he excelled in another sport that requires good athleticism in a division that would be Montana’s high classification. You are so far out in right field on this and keep digging a hole. You just posted in another thread how a kid that ran an 11.68 in the 100 is a great athlete on the same day you questioned Reed’s athleticism for a 4.68 40. My gosh, did Reed steal your lunch money? Ty McCullough just ran a 4.58 after months of specialized training for pro day. It is completely logical to think that Reed could run a sub 4.6 after 4 years of athletic training. At a minimum, there are guys in that WR room that are not faster than Ty and Reed could easily be in the same neighborhood as those guys.

[BelligerentBobcat]

This kind of reminds me of a hypothetical here. Let's say Tommy gets picked up by an NFL team, and somebody on said team's message board posts something about him being athletic. I bet some other posters would say... "Ya, maybe athletic by small college standards but we'll see if he's truly athletic on an NFL football field." lol

But Tommy has already done the same testing comparatively to a player from, say, Georgia. It’s not really the same.

So you're saying that combine testing is the equivalent of being athletic? I don't think you implied that in your prior posts about Reed. In fact you argued that his hoops numbers don't imply athletic ability. I think the analogy catatac made is really good.

No, I’m saying the “athletic by small school standards” doesn’t work when he has done the exact same testing as players from large schools. There’s a direct comparative. They’re doing the same drills in front of mostly the same scouts. If you wanted to say a 4.39 pro day 40 isn’t the same as a 4.39 combine 40, I think that would be fair.

I also didn’t say hoops ability doesn’t imply athletic ability, rather that it doesn’t definitively mean it’s there. I’ve said it what feels like a dozen times now, all I’m saying is that we haven’t definitively seen anything from Reed that guarantees we KNOW he’s athletic enough to be a WR. It’s more than likely that he is, but we do not KNOW that.

[MSU01]

Of all the pointless arguments on Bobcat Nation over the years, this has to be near the top. As fans, we don't KNOW how athletic Jordan Reed is because we've barely seen him play other than handing the ball off or taking knees to finish out blowouts. Who does know how athletic he is are the coaches who have been working closely with him for three years. If they think he's athletic enough to potentially contribute as a WR, which is all that matters.

[BelligerentBobcat]

Averaged 22 points, 11 rebounds his senior year of high school. Probably runs a sub 4.6 40 based on running 4.68 in high school. IMO that’s pretty athletic. Just the fact that he signed here to play quarterback almost says he’s athletic by itself.
He filled up the stat sheet
21.6 ppg
11.8 rpg
5.7 apg
0.9 spg
2.3 bpg

Do you have any idea how fast a sub 4.6 is?

No, but it’s faster than Jerry Rice who ran a 4.71. A 4.68 is a sign of good athleticism. That’s what Reed ran in high school and I’d guess he’s below that now.
Basketball is probably the one sport that requires the most athletic ability on average. Being 6-6 and agile and coordinated enough to put up the numbers he did is a strong sign of athleticism. Quarterbacks are often among the most athletic players in football, which is why football coaches sign them and move them to different positions.
But, you’re right “WE don’t know” exactly how athletic he is, which is true for a majority of the players on the team.
Additionally, no one knows how this going to work out but people don’t typically look at a move like this and speculate about how it’s NOT going to work out. I certainly don’t expect him to start this year. He could fail and enter the portal or go play hoops at a Frontier school for all we know.
No one has baptized him the next Harold Carmichael. People are just having fun with the possibilities of this move. We see players change positions and succeed once in a while, we like our players and we hope for the best so we like to look at the positives of what could come of this move. I’m not sure why that triggered you.

Triggered? Lol. Some people like to use that whenever they get questioned. It’s pretty cute.

Anyways, I hope he does great too. Always awesome to have good players. But as an FYI, hand timed 40’s from coaches mean literally nothing. We’ve seen lots of players come in here with claimed 4.4 40’s and they weren’t anywhere close to that. Heck, Jaharie Martin came in at 6’0 and magically shrunk a couple inches. I’ll be done now, but literally all I’m saying is that while Reed may be a good athlete for a WR, we don’t know that yet.

Well, that’s exactly what I did: answer your question.

“Triggered” means that you’re put off by a comment or opinion that someone has, among other things. It’s especially noticeable when that opinion or comment is fairly innocuous if not entirely understandable.

Your communication skills are poor and I’m glad that you’re developing the self awareness to notice that. It will save you from these kinds of humiliating discussions in the future.

No one said Reed is such an incredible athlete that they think he’s a lock to start. Everyone probably has a similar take to yours of his ability to become a WR here. Fans tend to look for how it might work. Especially on a team like this one where it’s loaded with good athletes and has a history of moving players to new positions with great payoffs. Especially the QBs.

I think triggered is a pretty good description on your part. The guy have commented on multiple threads about Reed’s athleticism, and he has absolutely no evidence to even question it. You also were correct that most posters don’t focus on why it’s NOT going to work out for a player. This poster does it all the time. I don’t get it, expect that he wants to make it clear that he is the “smartest guy in the room”.

I think I’ve only talked about Reed in this thread, but perhaps I’m wrong.

I never said this switch wouldn’t work either. I’m not even saying he’s not a good athlete! Literally, all I’m saying is that we haven’t seen any evidence of this good athleticism on the field. That doesn’t mean it’s not there, we just don’t know. A self claimed 40 time and basketball stats also isn’t tangible evidence. I hope Reed is awesome, I think it’s great he’s willing to try to stick around and find a place to help the team. You guys are making this out to be a way bigger deal than what it is. It’s okay to question narratives guys. Some could say it’s even healthy. We’re all allowed to view things how we want. I’m not the super homer fan that you are, and that’s okay for both of us. Not a big deal, dude.

Let's review, shall we? You had two distinct questions.
1st - kaner said, a tall receiver...just throw it up there and let him go get it.
Then, I said: ...we know he's a good athlete.
You questioned: do we know that?
I gave several examples of why I think so, including that he probably runs a sub 4.6 40. (I kind of thought you'd drop it at that point)
You questioned: do you know how fast a 4.6 40 is?
I said, no, despite having a good idea, but thought it would be easier to just say, no, and point out that Jerry Rice ran a 4.71 40. I thought he was fast because he would regularly outrun DBs to the end zone despite carrying a football in one arm. (Again, I kind of thought you'd drop it)
You then went to a different tact and that's fine.

I'm not a 'super fan' that wears rose colored glasses for everything MSU and I don't think anyone's comments on Reed makes them a super fan. I think anyone who keeps pressing the issue after getting fairly logical, reasonable responses is just being stubborn. It's like you had an idea of where you wanted to lead the conversation and it isn't going where you want it to, so you're looking for a new angle. You're also acting like people are penciling Reed into the rotation at WR, which no one is even remotely close to doing.

I'm of the mind that it's self-evident that anyone that plays football and basketball in high school at the level that Reed does is a good athlete. Without even watching someone play, if they put up the numbers that he put up, then I'm of the mind that he or she is a top-flight athlete. In the top 1% of all athletes in high school.

Yes, it's okay to question narratives. There really isn't a narrative here though. No one is making any big claims about Reed being the next Jerry Rice or even finding a spot in the rotation. The narrative, if there is one, is that it's intriguing. You seem intrigued too, perhaps in a different way but lets not split hairs. You're questioning whether he can do it or not, basically like everyone else, except you can't get past the fact that's he's most likely a good athlete based on what there is to know about him.

Additionally: Reed played at Central Union High School in CA. It has an enrollment of 2,000 students, which would make it the biggest or second biggest HS in Montana. He probably competes against better competition than anyone from Montana competes against. I'm saying this to give his stats some prespective. I don't even know the last time a AA MT hooper averaged 22+ points, 12 rebounds, 6 assists per game. I seriously wonder if anyone has.

We're all in agreement that we want him to be good, but no one is holding their breath. We all realize that he could just as easily hit the portal after spring ball as he is not to. He certainly isn't the biggest long shot we've ever seen.

Not to belabor a point, but you’re basing your “probably sub 4.6 40” off of a self reported 4.68 HS 40.

Go look at how many players that are 6’6 230 at the NFL combine run a sub 4.6. These are the best of the best. So no, I don’t think you know how fast a 4.6 is.

Give it a break. You don’t how or where the kid posted the 4.68. It could have been at a QB high school prospect camp where they document such measurables. He is clearly a good athlete. Comes from a big school where he excelled in another sport that requires good athleticism in a division that would be Montana’s high classification. You are so far out in right field on this and keep digging a hole. You just posted in another thread how a kid that ran an 11.68 in the 100 is a great athlete on the same day you questioned Reed’s athleticism for a 4.68 40. My gosh, did Reed steal your lunch money? Ty McCullough just ran a 4.58 after months of specialized training for pro day. It is completely logical to think that Reed could run a sub 4.6 after 4 years of athletic training. At a minimum, there are guys in that WR room that are not faster than Ty and Reed could easily be in the same neighborhood as those guys.

Aight.

There are very few places that do laser 40’s for HS players. The ESPN elite camp was one, but they didn’t do those for the Covid year. If it was a verifiable time, it would be easy to find. Only place I can find it is HUDL, so pretty easy assumption to make. If you can find otherwise, feel free.

I think Ty McCullouch actually proves my point pretty well on how fast you need to be to run a sub 4.6. Ty was really fast! He showed it on the field, frequently. He also claimed a 4.5 40 out of HS and ran a 4.58 after months of specialized training. I’ll let you draw the conclusion there. I think you understate how difficult it is to improve by a tenth or two in a short sprint like a 40. And yeah, I said the kid from MN is a great athlete bc he ran an 11.6 100 at 260 pounds. That’s great explosion for a big guy! An 11.6 for a WR would be average, at best. Pretty mediocre actually. Just an example.

I’ll end with this. You’re making this a personal thing about Reed. It isn’t. All it is, is me saying that we do not definitively know that he’s a good athlete because we haven’t seen it on the field. We can assume, but we still don’t know. I’m being overly pedantic and trying (and failing) to show the difference between know and assume. None of it matters though. I could say the bobcats will win a natty by 20 points and your bitch about how I didn’t say 40 points. You just don’t like me. Get over it.

[BelligerentBobcat]

Of all the pointless arguments on Bobcat Nation over the years, this has to be near the top. As fans, we don't KNOW how athletic Jordan Reed is because we've barely seen him play other than handing the ball off or taking knees to finish out blowouts. Who does know how athletic he is are the coaches who have been working closely with him for three years. If they think he's athletic enough to potentially contribute as a WR, which is all that matters.

I agree with everything said here.

[TomCat88]

I know a lot of athletic people that are nowhere near as athletic as Jordan Reed. I know I’ve watched him throw a football and no one at msu has ever thrown a better ball than Reed. He throws the nicest ball I’ve seen since Drew Miller at UM. By nice I mean beautiful, tight spiral with zip on it. Every. Single. Time.

Is anyone playing football at MSU not athletic? In my opinion 99.99% of the players that have passed through MSU have been athletic.

If you tell me a quarterback at any college anywhere in the country averaged 22-12-6 in hoops, I would assume that guy is a helluva athletic dude. It’s kinda like “you don’t have to be a rocket surgeon to figure that out” line.

[BelligerentBobcat]

I know a lot of athletic people that are nowhere near as athletic as Jordan Reed. I know I’ve watched him throw a football and no one at msu has ever thrown a better ball than Reed. He throws the nicest ball I’ve seen since Drew Miller at UM. By nice I mean beautiful, tight spiral with zip on it. Every. Single. Time.

Is anyone playing football at MSU not athletic? In my opinion 99.99% of the players that have passed through MSU have been athletic.

If you tell me a quarterback at any college anywhere in the country averaged 22-12-6 in hoops, I would assume that guy is a helluva athletic dude. It’s kinda like “you don’t have to be a rocket surgeon to figure that out” line.

I wasn’t aware that I would need to clarify that anybody who plays D1 sports is athletic relative to the norm. I assumed everybody would get that it’s athleticism relative to the position, not to old, fat, slobs like me, but you know what they say about making assumptions.

[grizzh8r]

Wow, after this train wreck of the last few pages, all I want to know is, if he's interested, could Logie also convince him to play on the MBB team? I reckon he'd be a valuable addition at SF/Wing alongside Pat McMahon...

[tetoncat]

Do you have any idea how fast a sub 4.6 is?

No, but it’s faster than Jerry Rice who ran a 4.71. A 4.68 is a sign of good athleticism. That’s what Reed ran in high school and I’d guess he’s below that now.
Basketball is probably the one sport that requires the most athletic ability on average. Being 6-6 and agile and coordinated enough to put up the numbers he did is a strong sign of athleticism. Quarterbacks are often among the most athletic players in football, which is why football coaches sign them and move them to different positions.
But, you’re right “WE don’t know” exactly how athletic he is, which is true for a majority of the players on the team.
Additionally, no one knows how this going to work out but people don’t typically look at a move like this and speculate about how it’s NOT going to work out. I certainly don’t expect him to start this year. He could fail and enter the portal or go play hoops at a Frontier school for all we know.
No one has baptized him the next Harold Carmichael. People are just having fun with the possibilities of this move. We see players change positions and succeed once in a while, we like our players and we hope for the best so we like to look at the positives of what could come of this move. I’m not sure why that triggered you.

Triggered? Lol. Some people like to use that whenever they get questioned. It’s pretty cute.

Anyways, I hope he does great too. Always awesome to have good players. But as an FYI, hand timed 40’s from coaches mean literally nothing. We’ve seen lots of players come in here with claimed 4.4 40’s and they weren’t anywhere close to that. Heck, Jaharie Martin came in at 6’0 and magically shrunk a couple inches. I’ll be done now, but literally all I’m saying is that while Reed may be a good athlete for a WR, we don’t know that yet.

Well, that’s exactly what I did: answer your question.

“Triggered” means that you’re put off by a comment or opinion that someone has, among other things. It’s especially noticeable when that opinion or comment is fairly innocuous if not entirely understandable.

Your communication skills are poor and I’m glad that you’re developing the self awareness to notice that. It will save you from these kinds of humiliating discussions in the future.

No one said Reed is such an incredible athlete that they think he’s a lock to start. Everyone probably has a similar take to yours of his ability to become a WR here. Fans tend to look for how it might work. Especially on a team like this one where it’s loaded with good athletes and has a history of moving players to new positions with great payoffs. Especially the QBs.

I think triggered is a pretty good description on your part. The guy have commented on multiple threads about Reed’s athleticism, and he has absolutely no evidence to even question it. You also were correct that most posters don’t focus on why it’s NOT going to work out for a player. This poster does it all the time. I don’t get it, expect that he wants to make it clear that he is the “smartest guy in the room”.

I think I’ve only talked about Reed in this thread, but perhaps I’m wrong.

I never said this switch wouldn’t work either. I’m not even saying he’s not a good athlete! Literally, all I’m saying is that we haven’t seen any evidence of this good athleticism on the field. That doesn’t mean it’s not there, we just don’t know. A self claimed 40 time and basketball stats also isn’t tangible evidence. I hope Reed is awesome, I think it’s great he’s willing to try to stick around and find a place to help the team. You guys are making this out to be a way bigger deal than what it is. It’s okay to question narratives guys. Some could say it’s even healthy. We’re all allowed to view things how we want. I’m not the super homer fan that you are, and that’s okay for both of us. Not a big deal, dude.

Let's review, shall we? You had two distinct questions.
1st - kaner said, a tall receiver...just throw it up there and let him go get it.
Then, I said: ...we know he's a good athlete.
You questioned: do we know that?
I gave several examples of why I think so, including that he probably runs a sub 4.6 40. (I kind of thought you'd drop it at that point)
You questioned: do you know how fast a 4.6 40 is?
I said, no, despite having a good idea, but thought it would be easier to just say, no, and point out that Jerry Rice ran a 4.71 40. I thought he was fast because he would regularly outrun DBs to the end zone despite carrying a football in one arm. (Again, I kind of thought you'd drop it)
You then went to a different tact and that's fine.

I'm not a 'super fan' that wears rose colored glasses for everything MSU and I don't think anyone's comments on Reed makes them a super fan. I think anyone who keeps pressing the issue after getting fairly logical, reasonable responses is just being stubborn. It's like you had an idea of where you wanted to lead the conversation and it isn't going where you want it to, so you're looking for a new angle. You're also acting like people are penciling Reed into the rotation at WR, which no one is even remotely close to doing.

I'm of the mind that it's self-evident that anyone that plays football and basketball in high school at the level that Reed does is a good athlete. Without even watching someone play, if they put up the numbers that he put up, then I'm of the mind that he or she is a top-flight athlete. In the top 1% of all athletes in high school.

Yes, it's okay to question narratives. There really isn't a narrative here though. No one is making any big claims about Reed being the next Jerry Rice or even finding a spot in the rotation. The narrative, if there is one, is that it's intriguing. You seem intrigued too, perhaps in a different way but lets not split hairs. You're questioning whether he can do it or not, basically like everyone else, except you can't get past the fact that's he's most likely a good athlete based on what there is to know about him.

Additionally: Reed played at Central Union High School in CA. It has an enrollment of 2,000 students, which would make it the biggest or second biggest HS in Montana. He probably competes against better competition than anyone from Montana competes against. I'm saying this to give his stats some prespective. I don't even know the last time a AA MT hooper averaged 22+ points, 12 rebounds, 6 assists per game. I seriously wonder if anyone has.

We're all in agreement that we want him to be good, but no one is holding their breath. We all realize that he could just as easily hit the portal after spring ball as he is not to. He certainly isn't the biggest long shot we've ever seen.

Not to belabor a point, but you’re basing your “probably sub 4.6 40” off of a self reported 4.68 HS 40.

Go look at how many players that are 6’6 230 at the NFL combine run a sub 4.6. These are the best of the best. So no, I don’t think you know how fast a 4.6 is.

Give it a break. You don’t how or where the kid posted the 4.68. It could have been at a QB high school prospect camp where they document such measurables. He is clearly a good athlete. Comes from a big school where he excelled in another sport that requires good athleticism in a division that would be Montana’s high classification. You are so far out in right field on this and keep digging a hole. You just posted in another thread how a kid that ran an 11.68 in the 100 is a great athlete on the same day you questioned Reed’s athleticism for a 4.68 40. My gosh, did Reed steal your lunch money? Ty McCullough just ran a 4.58 after months of specialized training for pro day. It is completely logical to think that Reed could run a sub 4.6 after 4 years of athletic training. At a minimum, there are guys in that WR room that are not faster than Ty and Reed could easily be in the same neighborhood as those guys.

Aight.

There are very few places that do laser 40’s for HS players. The ESPN elite camp was one, but they didn’t do those for the Covid year. If it was a verifiable time, it would be easy to find. Only place I can find it is HUDL, so pretty easy assumption to make. If you can find otherwise, feel free.

I think Ty McCullouch actually proves my point pretty well on how fast you need to be to run a sub 4.6. Ty was really fast! He showed it on the field, frequently. He also claimed a 4.5 40 out of HS and ran a 4.58 after months of specialized training. I’ll let you draw the conclusion there. I think you understate how difficult it is to improve by a tenth or two in a short sprint like a 40. And yeah, I said the kid from MN is a great athlete bc he ran an 11.6 100 at 260 pounds. That’s great explosion for a big guy! An 11.6 for a WR would be average, at best. Pretty mediocre actually. Just an example.

I’ll end with this. You’re making this a personal thing about Reed. It isn’t. All it is, is me saying that we do not definitively know that he’s a good athlete because we haven’t seen it on the field. We can assume, but we still don’t know. I’m being overly pedantic and trying (and failing) to show the difference between know and assume. None of it matters though. I could say the bobcats will win a natty by 20 points and your bitch about how I didn’t say 40 points. You just don’t like me. Get over it.

Ty did not specialize train like some of the others because he was finishing school and stayed in Bozeman. Bit your point is fair.