Fall Camp

[catzz]

Tom put it better than I did.

Tom put it out well. I agree with what you are saying and think if Lamson can consistently get the ball out in the passing game... The offense could be better than last year because of Lamson.

[Mrs TrackCat]

Is there a scrimmage this Saturday? Was told there is, but haven’t received the usual notification. Thanks!

[MSU01]

Is there a scrimmage this Saturday? Was told there is, but haven’t received the usual notification. Thanks!

There is, but it isn't open to the public.

[GoldstoneCat]

I know, I understand what I’m saying sounds crazy. I’m probably being overly optimistic here, but let me explain.

Stylistically, I believe a QB like Tommy was gives a team a very high floor. That running game will nearly always work. It also makes you highly dependent on one player.

If, and I’m stressing the if, Lamson can pass like I think he can, it opens the offense tremendously. Despite what the stats say, Tommy just wasn’t a super dependable passer. There were certainly fantastic flashes, but consistently, I would say no. I believe a true dual threat QB, one who can dependably pass the ball, can unlock a different dimension and higher ceiling to this offense.

At the end of the day, Tommy is a better athlete, and the better player. I think Lamson might be a better QB and lead to a higher ceiling for the offense.

Tommy Mellott won the Walter Payton award as the best offensive football player in fcs football. If Lamson is going to be better than that, he's going to be quite possibly the best to ever play here. Might he be a better passer? Maybe. But we were f$@#ing prolific on offense last year. A wagon. Being 86% of that this year gets us to Nashville.

Again, I said that Tommy is the better player. If Lamson performs as well as I think he can, I think he can be the better QB.

That's a fine line you're trying to walk there. When the best offensive player in the country is playing QB for your team, pretty hard argument to make that Lamson will be the better QB. I think i get what you're trying to say, that he can helm a balanced offense in a more "traditional" sense better than Tommy could. Be more efficient with his passing (questionable imo). It's definitely going to look different, as much of what Tommy did last year was half field reads and schemed up throws, but the fact remains he led a hugely prolific offense. If this year's offense is as productive we're going to be near impossible to deal with bc i think we're going to be better on defense, especially in the front 7. I think you're going to be wrong, actually, I think the offense will take a step back, but I still think we're gonna be right there in the mix at the end of December because our roster is deep all the way thru.

Not really, Cam Miller was a better QB, Tommy a better athlete. You also acknowledge he had half field reads. If we can get full field this year and running ability he could be a better QB. with that said I do believe OC held Tommy back at times passing, being to coservative to avoid TOs.

If Lamson is cam Miller we'll be pretty happy. I would wager a pretty penny that our offense will be less prolific than last year because we don't get as much production from the QB. If you want to parse from there who the better pure passer is, be my guest, because that's really what you're arguing when you say "better QB." I'm saying in total I think y'all are nuts to expect "better" QB play than last year, when it was the best in the US of A in FCS football. He accounted for 3809 yards of offense, 46 TDs, 69% completion percentage, threw 2 (!) interceptions, and led the country in both passing efficiency and points responsible. So just on the passing... you think we're getting 70% and 31 TDs from our starting QB this year with 3,000 air yards? I want that hopium you're taking.

[BelligerentBobcat]

I know, I understand what I’m saying sounds crazy. I’m probably being overly optimistic here, but let me explain.

Stylistically, I believe a QB like Tommy was gives a team a very high floor. That running game will nearly always work. It also makes you highly dependent on one player.

If, and I’m stressing the if, Lamson can pass like I think he can, it opens the offense tremendously. Despite what the stats say, Tommy just wasn’t a super dependable passer. There were certainly fantastic flashes, but consistently, I would say no. I believe a true dual threat QB, one who can dependably pass the ball, can unlock a different dimension and higher ceiling to this offense.

At the end of the day, Tommy is a better athlete, and the better player. I think Lamson might be a better QB and lead to a higher ceiling for the offense.

Tommy Mellott won the Walter Payton award as the best offensive football player in fcs football. If Lamson is going to be better than that, he's going to be quite possibly the best to ever play here. Might he be a better passer? Maybe. But we were f$@#ing prolific on offense last year. A wagon. Being 86% of that this year gets us to Nashville.

Again, I said that Tommy is the better player. If Lamson performs as well as I think he can, I think he can be the better QB.

That's a fine line you're trying to walk there. When the best offensive player in the country is playing QB for your team, pretty hard argument to make that Lamson will be the better QB. I think i get what you're trying to say, that he can helm a balanced offense in a more "traditional" sense better than Tommy could. Be more efficient with his passing (questionable imo). It's definitely going to look different, as much of what Tommy did last year was half field reads and schemed up throws, but the fact remains he led a hugely prolific offense. If this year's offense is as productive we're going to be near impossible to deal with bc i think we're going to be better on defense, especially in the front 7. I think you're going to be wrong, actually, I think the offense will take a step back, but I still think we're gonna be right there in the mix at the end of December because our roster is deep all the way thru.

Not really, Cam Miller was a better QB, Tommy a better athlete. You also acknowledge he had half field reads. If we can get full field this year and running ability he could be a better QB. with that said I do believe OC held Tommy back at times passing, being to coservative to avoid TOs.

If Lamson is cam Miller we'll be pretty happy. I would wager a pretty penny that our offense will be less prolific than last year because we don't get as much production from the QB. If you want to parse from there who the better pure passer is, be my guest, because that's really what you're arguing when you say "better QB." I'm saying in total I think y'all are nuts to expect "better" QB play than last year, when it was the best in the US of A in FCS football. He accounted for 3809 yards of offense, 46 TDs, 69% completion percentage, threw 2 (!) interceptions, and led the country in both passing efficiency and points responsible. So just on the passing... you think we're getting 70% and 31 TDs from our starting QB this year with 3,000 air yards? I want that hopium you're taking.

You’re trying to make this a statistical issue when it isn’t.

[coloradocat]

I know, I understand what I’m saying sounds crazy. I’m probably being overly optimistic here, but let me explain.

Stylistically, I believe a QB like Tommy was gives a team a very high floor. That running game will nearly always work. It also makes you highly dependent on one player.

If, and I’m stressing the if, Lamson can pass like I think he can, it opens the offense tremendously. Despite what the stats say, Tommy just wasn’t a super dependable passer. There were certainly fantastic flashes, but consistently, I would say no. I believe a true dual threat QB, one who can dependably pass the ball, can unlock a different dimension and higher ceiling to this offense.

At the end of the day, Tommy is a better athlete, and the better player. I think Lamson might be a better QB and lead to a higher ceiling for the offense.

Tommy Mellott won the Walter Payton award as the best offensive football player in fcs football. If Lamson is going to be better than that, he's going to be quite possibly the best to ever play here. Might he be a better passer? Maybe. But we were f$@#ing prolific on offense last year. A wagon. Being 86% of that this year gets us to Nashville.

Again, I said that Tommy is the better player. If Lamson performs as well as I think he can, I think he can be the better QB.

That's a fine line you're trying to walk there. When the best offensive player in the country is playing QB for your team, pretty hard argument to make that Lamson will be the better QB. I think i get what you're trying to say, that he can helm a balanced offense in a more "traditional" sense better than Tommy could. Be more efficient with his passing (questionable imo). It's definitely going to look different, as much of what Tommy did last year was half field reads and schemed up throws, but the fact remains he led a hugely prolific offense. If this year's offense is as productive we're going to be near impossible to deal with bc i think we're going to be better on defense, especially in the front 7. I think you're going to be wrong, actually, I think the offense will take a step back, but I still think we're gonna be right there in the mix at the end of December because our roster is deep all the way thru.

Not really, Cam Miller was a better QB, Tommy a better athlete. You also acknowledge he had half field reads. If we can get full field this year and running ability he could be a better QB. with that said I do believe OC held Tommy back at times passing, being to coservative to avoid TOs.

If Lamson is cam Miller we'll be pretty happy. I would wager a pretty penny that our offense will be less prolific than last year because we don't get as much production from the QB. If you want to parse from there who the better pure passer is, be my guest, because that's really what you're arguing when you say "better QB." I'm saying in total I think y'all are nuts to expect "better" QB play than last year, when it was the best in the US of A in FCS football. He accounted for 3809 yards of offense, 46 TDs, 69% completion percentage, threw 2 (!) interceptions, and led the country in both passing efficiency and points responsible. So just on the passing... you think we're getting 70% and 31 TDs from our starting QB this year with 3,000 air yards? I want that hopium you're taking.

Just to wrap all your arguments up: Tommy was the greatest QB in school history and by such a margin (at least on a single year sample size) that it's unrealistic to think someone else can come in and be better at playing the position?

It feels like that has to be the argument, or at the very least that 2024 was peak Bobcats offensively and we'll never see a "better" team than them and he'll be the only Payton award winner we ever have. Tommy excelled in the situation and system he was in but that system was definitely designed for the possibility of him excelling. With Lamson, the hope is that he's a much more complete QB that will open up possibilities that weren't available with Tommy.

Everyone here appreciates what Tommy accomplished last year and throughout his career. To say someone could be better at the position is not an insult to him.

[Bobcat79 (FTG)]

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[Mrs TrackCat]

Is there a scrimmage this Saturday? Was told there is, but haven’t received the usual notification. Thanks!

There is, but it isn't open to the public.

Open to QB Club members?

[MSU01]

Is there a scrimmage this Saturday? Was told there is, but haven’t received the usual notification. Thanks!

There is, but it isn't open to the public.

Open to QB Club members?

I couldn't say for sure as I am not a member!

[95bcfb]

Lamson's not even the starting QB and we are already arguing about if he is a better QB than Tommy. I don't have any inside info but it seems like because he his a transfer many automatically think he will be better than the guys already on the team. We will see I guess. Even if he is great, I am not sure we will be a better on offence than last year. We lost a bunch of really good o-linemen, our starting TE's, our starting RB, and at least one starting WR. I believe we have good guys to fill their shoes but we haven't seen them play yet. What makes you think that our OL will be better than last year. Not being critical - it's an honest question. I am not sure about RB either but I believe we will be fine there but will we be better? That I am not sure. I will be very happy if we are just as good as last year on offence, but some how I think that will be a toll order.

[MSU01]

Lamson's not even the starting QB and we are already arguing about if he is a better QB than Tommy. I don't have any inside info but it seems like because he his a transfer many automatically think he will be better than the guys already on the team. We will see I guess. Even if he is great, I am not sure we will be a better on offence than last year. We lost a bunch of really good o-linemen, our starting TE's, our starting RB, and at least one starting WR. I believe we have good guys to fill their shoes but we haven't seen them play yet. What makes you think that our OL will be better than last year. Not being critical - it's an honest question. I am not sure about RB either but I believe we will be fine there but will we be better? That I am not sure. I will be very happy if we are just as good as last year on offence, but some how I think that will be a toll order.

Boundless optimism is a powerful drug for all football fans at this time of year! Well, maybe not for Northern Colorado or Portland State fans.

[TomCat88]

So far Vigen et al have:
- taken a transfer QB to being the No. 2 rated QB in the BSC. Replaced him with a freshman, who led MSU to the title game.
- Picked up a transfer who was just about to quit football and made him a key member of one of the few successful two-QB systems in football history at any level.
- Turned an undersized (height-wise) Montana QB (there are few that succeed at this level) into the Payton Award winner.

[GoodTimesAllTheTime]

I know, I understand what I’m saying sounds crazy. I’m probably being overly optimistic here, but let me explain.

Stylistically, I believe a QB like Tommy was gives a team a very high floor. That running game will nearly always work. It also makes you highly dependent on one player.

If, and I’m stressing the if, Lamson can pass like I think he can, it opens the offense tremendously. Despite what the stats say, Tommy just wasn’t a super dependable passer. There were certainly fantastic flashes, but consistently, I would say no. I believe a true dual threat QB, one who can dependably pass the ball, can unlock a different dimension and higher ceiling to this offense.

At the end of the day, Tommy is a better athlete, and the better player. I think Lamson might be a better QB and lead to a higher ceiling for the offense.

Tommy Mellott won the Walter Payton award as the best offensive football player in fcs football. If Lamson is going to be better than that, he's going to be quite possibly the best to ever play here. Might he be a better passer? Maybe. But we were f$@#ing prolific on offense last year. A wagon. Being 86% of that this year gets us to Nashville.

Again, I said that Tommy is the better player. If Lamson performs as well as I think he can, I think he can be the better QB.

That's a fine line you're trying to walk there. When the best offensive player in the country is playing QB for your team, pretty hard argument to make that Lamson will be the better QB. I think i get what you're trying to say, that he can helm a balanced offense in a more "traditional" sense better than Tommy could. Be more efficient with his passing (questionable imo). It's definitely going to look different, as much of what Tommy did last year was half field reads and schemed up throws, but the fact remains he led a hugely prolific offense. If this year's offense is as productive we're going to be near impossible to deal with bc i think we're going to be better on defense, especially in the front 7. I think you're going to be wrong, actually, I think the offense will take a step back, but I still think we're gonna be right there in the mix at the end of December because our roster is deep all the way thru.

Not really, Cam Miller was a better QB, Tommy a better athlete. You also acknowledge he had half field reads. If we can get full field this year and running ability he could be a better QB. with that said I do believe OC held Tommy back at times passing, being to coservative to avoid TOs.

If Lamson is cam Miller we'll be pretty happy. I would wager a pretty penny that our offense will be less prolific than last year because we don't get as much production from the QB. If you want to parse from there who the better pure passer is, be my guest, because that's really what you're arguing when you say "better QB." I'm saying in total I think y'all are nuts to expect "better" QB play than last year, when it was the best in the US of A in FCS football. He accounted for 3809 yards of offense, 46 TDs, 69% completion percentage, threw 2 (!) interceptions, and led the country in both passing efficiency and points responsible. So just on the passing... you think we're getting 70% and 31 TDs from our starting QB this year with 3,000 air yards? I want that hopium you're taking.

Just to wrap all your arguments up: Tommy was the greatest QB in school history and by such a margin (at least on a single year sample size) that it's unrealistic to think someone else can come in and be better at playing the position?

It feels like that has to be the argument, or at the very least that 2024 was peak Bobcats offensively and we'll never see a "better" team than them and he'll be the only Payton award winner we ever have. Tommy excelled in the situation and system he was in but that system was definitely designed for the possibility of him excelling. With Lamson, the hope is that he's a much more complete QB that will open up possibilities that weren't available with Tommy.

Everyone here appreciates what Tommy accomplished last year and throughout his career. To say someone could be better at the position is not an insult to him.

Tommy had one of the greatest offensive seasons in school history, and in FCS/I-AA football. You’re crazy if you think that someone is just going to walk in the door and be better. There might be better pure passers, but we could easily go the rest of our lives and not have a QB have a season like last year. You’re delusional if you think that’s replicable.

[Mrs TrackCat]

Is there a scrimmage this Saturday? Was told there is, but haven’t received the usual notification. Thanks!

There is, but it isn't open to the public.

Open to QB Club members?

I couldn't say for sure as I am not a member!

Thanks anyway. A family member of a QB Club member mentioned going. I will have to ask the Mr. if he got an email.

[Prodigal Cat]

So far Vigen et al have:
- taken a transfer QB to being the No. 2 rated QB in the BSC. Replaced him with a freshman, who led MSU to the title game.
- Picked up a transfer who was just about to quit football and made him a key member of one of the few successful two-QB systems in football history at any level.
- Turned an undersized (height-wise) Montana QB (there are few that succeed at this level) into the Payton Award winner.

And that's just at MSU. Josh Allen was a juco player with only a couple FBS offers. Coached Brock Jensen but also recruited Carsen Wentz to play after Jensen was done.

It's not a stretch to be confident that we will be OK at QB this year.

[coloradocat]

I know, I understand what I’m saying sounds crazy. I’m probably being overly optimistic here, but let me explain.

Stylistically, I believe a QB like Tommy was gives a team a very high floor. That running game will nearly always work. It also makes you highly dependent on one player.

If, and I’m stressing the if, Lamson can pass like I think he can, it opens the offense tremendously. Despite what the stats say, Tommy just wasn’t a super dependable passer. There were certainly fantastic flashes, but consistently, I would say no. I believe a true dual threat QB, one who can dependably pass the ball, can unlock a different dimension and higher ceiling to this offense.

At the end of the day, Tommy is a better athlete, and the better player. I think Lamson might be a better QB and lead to a higher ceiling for the offense.

Tommy Mellott won the Walter Payton award as the best offensive football player in fcs football. If Lamson is going to be better than that, he's going to be quite possibly the best to ever play here. Might he be a better passer? Maybe. But we were f$@#ing prolific on offense last year. A wagon. Being 86% of that this year gets us to Nashville.

Again, I said that Tommy is the better player. If Lamson performs as well as I think he can, I think he can be the better QB.

That's a fine line you're trying to walk there. When the best offensive player in the country is playing QB for your team, pretty hard argument to make that Lamson will be the better QB. I think i get what you're trying to say, that he can helm a balanced offense in a more "traditional" sense better than Tommy could. Be more efficient with his passing (questionable imo). It's definitely going to look different, as much of what Tommy did last year was half field reads and schemed up throws, but the fact remains he led a hugely prolific offense. If this year's offense is as productive we're going to be near impossible to deal with bc i think we're going to be better on defense, especially in the front 7. I think you're going to be wrong, actually, I think the offense will take a step back, but I still think we're gonna be right there in the mix at the end of December because our roster is deep all the way thru.

Not really, Cam Miller was a better QB, Tommy a better athlete. You also acknowledge he had half field reads. If we can get full field this year and running ability he could be a better QB. with that said I do believe OC held Tommy back at times passing, being to coservative to avoid TOs.

If Lamson is cam Miller we'll be pretty happy. I would wager a pretty penny that our offense will be less prolific than last year because we don't get as much production from the QB. If you want to parse from there who the better pure passer is, be my guest, because that's really what you're arguing when you say "better QB." I'm saying in total I think y'all are nuts to expect "better" QB play than last year, when it was the best in the US of A in FCS football. He accounted for 3809 yards of offense, 46 TDs, 69% completion percentage, threw 2 (!) interceptions, and led the country in both passing efficiency and points responsible. So just on the passing... you think we're getting 70% and 31 TDs from our starting QB this year with 3,000 air yards? I want that hopium you're taking.

Just to wrap all your arguments up: Tommy was the greatest QB in school history and by such a margin (at least on a single year sample size) that it's unrealistic to think someone else can come in and be better at playing the position?

It feels like that has to be the argument, or at the very least that 2024 was peak Bobcats offensively and we'll never see a "better" team than them and he'll be the only Payton award winner we ever have. Tommy excelled in the situation and system he was in but that system was definitely designed for the possibility of him excelling. With Lamson, the hope is that he's a much more complete QB that will open up possibilities that weren't available with Tommy.

Everyone here appreciates what Tommy accomplished last year and throughout his career. To say someone could be better at the position is not an insult to him.

Tommy had one of the greatest offensive seasons in school history, and in FCS/I-AA football. You’re crazy if you think that someone is just going to walk in the door and be better. There might be better pure passers, but we could easily go the rest of our lives and not have a QB have a season like last year. You’re delusional if you think that’s replicable.

Neither I nor BB said it was going to happen, just that it could. As great as Tommy was, he was never a great QB (hence switching positions while Miller gets drafted as a QB). If Lamson, or someone else in the future, turns out to be Miller+ then it could definitely happen if everything were to fall right. It's more likely that it doesn't happen but that's a given after what Tommy accomplished.

I don't think it's impossible. That's where the argument is.

[Common Cat]

I know, I understand what I’m saying sounds crazy. I’m probably being overly optimistic here, but let me explain.

Stylistically, I believe a QB like Tommy was gives a team a very high floor. That running game will nearly always work. It also makes you highly dependent on one player.

If, and I’m stressing the if, Lamson can pass like I think he can, it opens the offense tremendously. Despite what the stats say, Tommy just wasn’t a super dependable passer. There were certainly fantastic flashes, but consistently, I would say no. I believe a true dual threat QB, one who can dependably pass the ball, can unlock a different dimension and higher ceiling to this offense.

At the end of the day, Tommy is a better athlete, and the better player. I think Lamson might be a better QB and lead to a higher ceiling for the offense.

Tommy Mellott won the Walter Payton award as the best offensive football player in fcs football. If Lamson is going to be better than that, he's going to be quite possibly the best to ever play here. Might he be a better passer? Maybe. But we were f$@#ing prolific on offense last year. A wagon. Being 86% of that this year gets us to Nashville.

Again, I said that Tommy is the better player. If Lamson performs as well as I think he can, I think he can be the better QB.

That's a fine line you're trying to walk there. When the best offensive player in the country is playing QB for your team, pretty hard argument to make that Lamson will be the better QB. I think i get what you're trying to say, that he can helm a balanced offense in a more "traditional" sense better than Tommy could. Be more efficient with his passing (questionable imo). It's definitely going to look different, as much of what Tommy did last year was half field reads and schemed up throws, but the fact remains he led a hugely prolific offense. If this year's offense is as productive we're going to be near impossible to deal with bc i think we're going to be better on defense, especially in the front 7. I think you're going to be wrong, actually, I think the offense will take a step back, but I still think we're gonna be right there in the mix at the end of December because our roster is deep all the way thru.

Not really, Cam Miller was a better QB, Tommy a better athlete. You also acknowledge he had half field reads. If we can get full field this year and running ability he could be a better QB. with that said I do believe OC held Tommy back at times passing, being to coservative to avoid TOs.

If Lamson is cam Miller we'll be pretty happy. I would wager a pretty penny that our offense will be less prolific than last year because we don't get as much production from the QB. If you want to parse from there who the better pure passer is, be my guest, because that's really what you're arguing when you say "better QB." I'm saying in total I think y'all are nuts to expect "better" QB play than last year, when it was the best in the US of A in FCS football. He accounted for 3809 yards of offense, 46 TDs, 69% completion percentage, threw 2 (!) interceptions, and led the country in both passing efficiency and points responsible. So just on the passing... you think we're getting 70% and 31 TDs from our starting QB this year with 3,000 air yards? I want that hopium you're taking.

Just to wrap all your arguments up: Tommy was the greatest QB in school history and by such a margin (at least on a single year sample size) that it's unrealistic to think someone else can come in and be better at playing the position?

It feels like that has to be the argument, or at the very least that 2024 was peak Bobcats offensively and we'll never see a "better" team than them and he'll be the only Payton award winner we ever have. Tommy excelled in the situation and system he was in but that system was definitely designed for the possibility of him excelling. With Lamson, the hope is that he's a much more complete QB that will open up possibilities that weren't available with Tommy.

Everyone here appreciates what Tommy accomplished last year and throughout his career. To say someone could be better at the position is not an insult to him.

Tommy had one of the greatest offensive seasons in school history, and in FCS/I-AA football. You’re crazy if you think that someone is just going to walk in the door and be better. There might be better pure passers, but we could easily go the rest of our lives and not have a QB have a season like last year. You’re delusional if you think that’s replicable.

Neither I nor BB said it was going to happen, just that it could. As great as Tommy was, he was never a great QB (hence switching positions while Miller gets drafted as a QB). If Lamson, or someone else in the future, turns out to be Miller+ then it could definitely happen if everything were to fall right. It's more likely that it doesn't happen but that's a given after what Tommy accomplished.

I don't think it's impossible. That's where the argument is.

Game on the line- you taking Lulay or Mellot?

[tetoncat]

I know, I understand what I’m saying sounds crazy. I’m probably being overly optimistic here, but let me explain.

Stylistically, I believe a QB like Tommy was gives a team a very high floor. That running game will nearly always work. It also makes you highly dependent on one player.

If, and I’m stressing the if, Lamson can pass like I think he can, it opens the offense tremendously. Despite what the stats say, Tommy just wasn’t a super dependable passer. There were certainly fantastic flashes, but consistently, I would say no. I believe a true dual threat QB, one who can dependably pass the ball, can unlock a different dimension and higher ceiling to this offense.

At the end of the day, Tommy is a better athlete, and the better player. I think Lamson might be a better QB and lead to a higher ceiling for the offense.

Tommy Mellott won the Walter Payton award as the best offensive football player in fcs football. If Lamson is going to be better than that, he's going to be quite possibly the best to ever play here. Might he be a better passer? Maybe. But we were f$@#ing prolific on offense last year. A wagon. Being 86% of that this year gets us to Nashville.

Again, I said that Tommy is the better player. If Lamson performs as well as I think he can, I think he can be the better QB.

That's a fine line you're trying to walk there. When the best offensive player in the country is playing QB for your team, pretty hard argument to make that Lamson will be the better QB. I think i get what you're trying to say, that he can helm a balanced offense in a more "traditional" sense better than Tommy could. Be more efficient with his passing (questionable imo). It's definitely going to look different, as much of what Tommy did last year was half field reads and schemed up throws, but the fact remains he led a hugely prolific offense. If this year's offense is as productive we're going to be near impossible to deal with bc i think we're going to be better on defense, especially in the front 7. I think you're going to be wrong, actually, I think the offense will take a step back, but I still think we're gonna be right there in the mix at the end of December because our roster is deep all the way thru.

Not really, Cam Miller was a better QB, Tommy a better athlete. You also acknowledge he had half field reads. If we can get full field this year and running ability he could be a better QB. with that said I do believe OC held Tommy back at times passing, being to coservative to avoid TOs.

If Lamson is cam Miller we'll be pretty happy. I would wager a pretty penny that our offense will be less prolific than last year because we don't get as much production from the QB. If you want to parse from there who the better pure passer is, be my guest, because that's really what you're arguing when you say "better QB." I'm saying in total I think y'all are nuts to expect "better" QB play than last year, when it was the best in the US of A in FCS football. He accounted for 3809 yards of offense, 46 TDs, 69% completion percentage, threw 2 (!) interceptions, and led the country in both passing efficiency and points responsible. So just on the passing... you think we're getting 70% and 31 TDs from our starting QB this year with 3,000 air yards? I want that hopium you're taking.

Just to wrap all your arguments up: Tommy was the greatest QB in school history and by such a margin (at least on a single year sample size) that it's unrealistic to think someone else can come in and be better at playing the position?

It feels like that has to be the argument, or at the very least that 2024 was peak Bobcats offensively and we'll never see a "better" team than them and he'll be the only Payton award winner we ever have. Tommy excelled in the situation and system he was in but that system was definitely designed for the possibility of him excelling. With Lamson, the hope is that he's a much more complete QB that will open up possibilities that weren't available with Tommy.

Everyone here appreciates what Tommy accomplished last year and throughout his career. To say someone could be better at the position is not an insult to him.

Tommy had one of the greatest offensive seasons in school history, and in FCS/I-AA football. You’re crazy if you think that someone is just going to walk in the door and be better. There might be better pure passers, but we could easily go the rest of our lives and not have a QB have a season like last year. You’re delusional if you think that’s replicable.

Neither I nor BB said it was going to happen, just that it could. As great as Tommy was, he was never a great QB (hence switching positions while Miller gets drafted as a QB). If Lamson, or someone else in the future, turns out to be Miller+ then it could definitely happen if everything were to fall right. It's more likely that it doesn't happen but that's a given after what Tommy accomplished.

I don't think it's impossible. That's where the argument is.

Game on the line- you taking Lulay or Mellot?

Depends who they have around them.

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I know, I understand what I’m saying sounds crazy. I’m probably being overly optimistic here, but let me explain.

Stylistically, I believe a QB like Tommy was gives a team a very high floor. That running game will nearly always work. It also makes you highly dependent on one player.

If, and I’m stressing the if, Lamson can pass like I think he can, it opens the offense tremendously. Despite what the stats say, Tommy just wasn’t a super dependable passer. There were certainly fantastic flashes, but consistently, I would say no. I believe a true dual threat QB, one who can dependably pass the ball, can unlock a different dimension and higher ceiling to this offense.

At the end of the day, Tommy is a better athlete, and the better player. I think Lamson might be a better QB and lead to a higher ceiling for the offense.

Tommy Mellott won the Walter Payton award as the best offensive football player in fcs football. If Lamson is going to be better than that, he's going to be quite possibly the best to ever play here. Might he be a better passer? Maybe. But we were f$@#ing prolific on offense last year. A wagon. Being 86% of that this year gets us to Nashville.

Again, I said that Tommy is the better player. If Lamson performs as well as I think he can, I think he can be the better QB.

That's a fine line you're trying to walk there. When the best offensive player in the country is playing QB for your team, pretty hard argument to make that Lamson will be the better QB. I think i get what you're trying to say, that he can helm a balanced offense in a more "traditional" sense better than Tommy could. Be more efficient with his passing (questionable imo). It's definitely going to look different, as much of what Tommy did last year was half field reads and schemed up throws, but the fact remains he led a hugely prolific offense. If this year's offense is as productive we're going to be near impossible to deal with bc i think we're going to be better on defense, especially in the front 7. I think you're going to be wrong, actually, I think the offense will take a step back, but I still think we're gonna be right there in the mix at the end of December because our roster is deep all the way thru.

Not really, Cam Miller was a better QB, Tommy a better athlete. You also acknowledge he had half field reads. If we can get full field this year and running ability he could be a better QB. with that said I do believe OC held Tommy back at times passing, being to coservative to avoid TOs.

If Lamson is cam Miller we'll be pretty happy. I would wager a pretty penny that our offense will be less prolific than last year because we don't get as much production from the QB. If you want to parse from there who the better pure passer is, be my guest, because that's really what you're arguing when you say "better QB." I'm saying in total I think y'all are nuts to expect "better" QB play than last year, when it was the best in the US of A in FCS football. He accounted for 3809 yards of offense, 46 TDs, 69% completion percentage, threw 2 (!) interceptions, and led the country in both passing efficiency and points responsible. So just on the passing... you think we're getting 70% and 31 TDs from our starting QB this year with 3,000 air yards? I want that hopium you're taking.

Just to wrap all your arguments up: Tommy was the greatest QB in school history and by such a margin (at least on a single year sample size) that it's unrealistic to think someone else can come in and be better at playing the position?

It feels like that has to be the argument, or at the very least that 2024 was peak Bobcats offensively and we'll never see a "better" team than them and he'll be the only Payton award winner we ever have. Tommy excelled in the situation and system he was in but that system was definitely designed for the possibility of him excelling. With Lamson, the hope is that he's a much more complete QB that will open up possibilities that weren't available with Tommy.

Everyone here appreciates what Tommy accomplished last year and throughout his career. To say someone could be better at the position is not an insult to him.

Tommy had one of the greatest offensive seasons in school history, and in FCS/I-AA football. You’re crazy if you think that someone is just going to walk in the door and be better. There might be better pure passers, but we could easily go the rest of our lives and not have a QB have a season like last year. You’re delusional if you think that’s replicable.

Neither I nor BB said it was going to happen, just that it could. As great as Tommy was, he was never a great QB (hence switching positions while Miller gets drafted as a QB). If Lamson, or someone else in the future, turns out to be Miller+ then it could definitely happen if everything were to fall right. It's more likely that it doesn't happen but that's a given after what Tommy accomplished.

I don't think it's impossible. That's where the argument is.

Game on the line- you taking Lulay or Mellot?

I don't remember Lulay well enough to pick him and he played back when I didn't think about the Cats all the time. Not just recency bias but I'd probably take Tommy because of his big game experience. He nearly led the Cats to a come from behind national championship victory and has as many playoff wins as the next 3 Bobcat QBs combined compared to 0 for Lulay.

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I remember when Dmac left people were saying, how he lost the locker room and how he wasn’t that good of a thrower. Said his stats were inflated by the way our offense was and some were even stating how we would be a better overall team the next year with a more balanced QB. Well we all know how that went. I will hold my breath before I say anything abut the passing game this year. Grass isn’t always greener, and it’s easy to forget how good the prior players were when we got an exciting season coming up.