Bobcats vs Yale - Not the Official Game Day Thread

[coloradocat]

Their head coach couldn't even be bothered to show up for the press conference.

[onceacat]

I don't take the Yale coach's comment as being a shot directed specifically at MSU, but more of a statement of his support for his own players and the additional challenges they face. I have no doubt that it is a lot harder to balance academics and athletics at Yale than it is at most other universities.

I don't think it was a shot at MSU specifically, but the rest of the FCS at large. It's Yale, not MIT. I'm sure there are plenty of Bobcat players that have a harder finals week than the Yale guys.

Yes, if you are enrolled in Engineering or Architecture at MSU, you probably have an easier finals week than a player at Yale majoring in History or Philosophy.

[nevadacat]

I don't take the Yale coach's comment as being a shot directed specifically at MSU, but more of a statement of his support for his own players and the additional challenges they face. I have no doubt that it is a lot harder to balance academics and athletics at Yale than it is at most other universities.

That was my interpretation as well. Thought he was boosting his kids for getting ready to play right before finals, not bashing MSU. The reality at Yale is that there is almost "nowhere to hide" for these students in terms of really easy classes. You are balancing very demanding football and very demanding academics. Nothing remotely comparable for major college football outside of Stanford and maybe Rice or Duke. Schools like Michigan, UNC or Florida are excellent academically, but they have plenty of "easy pass" courses for athletes if you know where to look. Just not true in the ivies.

Uh huh.

https://www.realcleareducation.com/202 ... 98873.html

[Clinton T]

What a strange arrogant press conference by Yale.

Did you catch the "real school" comment?

I'm curious. Hopefully Skyline or someone can post a video.

The coach was reminding the press that his team just played 12 games in a row and are still students and are probably concerned about finals. i don't remember the exact comment but it was in that context. The "real" is what got me. A very Yale comment. Kind of inferring that everyone else is just a college kid but they are university students.

Comment is at 4:19. You can tell the intent by 7s reaction.

I know I've got an extra large chip on my shoulder as I'm subjectively dumber and objectively poorer than just about anyone who has attended Yale, but you can eat an entire bag of dicks if you think the academic programs at MSU aren't "real school."

ETA: I proved the dumber part with my original grammar!

I feel like that comment was a crybaby excuse and aimed directly at us. This is perfectly in line with the coach and everybody at Yale declining to do any media before the game. Also the, “I want to make a statement…yada yada yada…Ivy league is disrespected…yada yada…” Came across as an immature, spoiled loser.

[Travelingcat]

I don't take the Yale coach's comment as being a shot directed specifically at MSU, but more of a statement of his support for his own players and the additional challenges they face. I have no doubt that it is a lot harder to balance academics and athletics at Yale than it is at most other universities.

That was my interpretation as well. Thought he was boosting his kids for getting ready to play right before finals, not bashing MSU. The reality at Yale is that there is almost "nowhere to hide" for these students in terms of really easy classes. You are balancing very demanding football and very demanding academics. Nothing remotely comparable for major college football outside of Stanford and maybe Rice or Duke. Schools like Michigan, UNC or Florida are excellent academically, but they have plenty of "easy pass" courses for athletes if you know where to look. Just not true in the ivies.

Uh huh.

https://www.realcleareducation.com/202 ... 98873.html

Fair point, but still by far the exception rather than the rule. A lot of ivies and similar schools stupidly dropped SAT scores for "racism" during the height of the Black Lives Matter movement. The result was the admission of some far less qualified students, And almost all of the ivies have reinstated them as a result. At places like UCSD they went in five years from admitting 20 students a year who needed remedial math to more than 900. UCSD has still not reinstated mandatory SATs because California is run by morons.

[mtkaren]

[BelgradeBobcat]

It seemed like our offense struggled a lot going into that cross-headwind towards the scoreboard which we had in the 2nd and 3rd quarters. Yale not so much. Our offense operated a little better going towards the Sonny Holland endzone. Is this Lamson figuring out how to play not so ideal weather? In any case, Yale was way, way better than I thought they would be. They were fundamentally sound in all phases. I thought we'd get them on the edges with our speed, but they had us contained all game. How did Youngstown State put 42 on those guys?

[onceacat]

I don't take the Yale coach's comment as being a shot directed specifically at MSU, but more of a statement of his support for his own players and the additional challenges they face. I have no doubt that it is a lot harder to balance academics and athletics at Yale than it is at most other universities.

That was my interpretation as well. Thought he was boosting his kids for getting ready to play right before finals, not bashing MSU. The reality at Yale is that there is almost "nowhere to hide" for these students in terms of really easy classes. You are balancing very demanding football and very demanding academics. Nothing remotely comparable for major college football outside of Stanford and maybe Rice or Duke. Schools like Michigan, UNC or Florida are excellent academically, but they have plenty of "easy pass" courses for athletes if you know where to look. Just not true in the ivies.

Uh huh.

https://www.realcleareducation.com/202 ... 98873.html

You will be shocked to learn that USC, Stanford, Ohio State and . . . Montana State University all have remedial math courses. Stunning, if true, I know.

https://catalog.montana.edu/coursedescriptions/m/

[Montanabob]

I don't take the Yale coach's comment as being a shot directed specifically at MSU, but more of a statement of his support for his own players and the additional challenges they face. I have no doubt that it is a lot harder to balance academics and athletics at Yale than it is at most other universities.

That was my interpretation as well. Thought he was boosting his kids for getting ready to play right before finals, not bashing MSU. The reality at Yale is that there is almost "nowhere to hide" for these students in terms of really easy classes. You are balancing very demanding football and very demanding academics. Nothing remotely comparable for major college football outside of Stanford and maybe Rice or Duke. Schools like Michigan, UNC or Florida are excellent academically, but they have plenty of "easy pass" courses for athletes if you know where to look. Just not true in the ivies.

Uh huh.

https://www.realcleareducation.com/202 ... 98873.html

You will be shocked to learn that USC, Stanford, Ohio State and . . . Montana State University all have remedial math courses. Stunning, if true, I know.

https://catalog.montana.edu/coursedescriptions/m/

And most offer no college credit.

[technoCat]

Oh don't try to tell me that the Yale players don't have a paid support staff at their Beck and call, available 24/7 to help them study for tests. It was a classless comment from a poor loser.

[Bulldog fan]

Their head coach couldn't even be bothered to show up for the press conference.

There might be things going on behind the scenes as to why the HC didn’t do pre/post-game interviews.

[BornBobcat2000]

That doesn’t look like Julius is yelling at anyone from Yale there, looks to me like Julius was simply shaking hands with a few players and he took exception to Vigen pulling him away. Might’ve been a big misunderstanding, anyone else seeing it the same way?

[onceacat]

I don't take the Yale coach's comment as being a shot directed specifically at MSU, but more of a statement of his support for his own players and the additional challenges they face. I have no doubt that it is a lot harder to balance academics and athletics at Yale than it is at most other universities.

That was my interpretation as well. Thought he was boosting his kids for getting ready to play right before finals, not bashing MSU. The reality at Yale is that there is almost "nowhere to hide" for these students in terms of really easy classes. You are balancing very demanding football and very demanding academics. Nothing remotely comparable for major college football outside of Stanford and maybe Rice or Duke. Schools like Michigan, UNC or Florida are excellent academically, but they have plenty of "easy pass" courses for athletes if you know where to look. Just not true in the ivies.

Uh huh.

https://www.realcleareducation.com/202 ... 98873.html

You will be shocked to learn that USC, Stanford, Ohio State and . . . Montana State University all have remedial math courses. Stunning, if true, I know.

https://catalog.montana.edu/coursedescriptions/m/

And most offer no college credit.

Also, the Ivies (as a general rule) graduate 90%+ of students in 4 years. Redshirting isn't unheard of, but it's not as common since no one is on scholarship.

Which means a substantially heavier class load for most student-athletes.

Again, not so much compared to MSU where the football program places an above average emphasis on academics...but very much so compared with most football programs.

[nevadacat]

I don't take the Yale coach's comment as being a shot directed specifically at MSU, but more of a statement of his support for his own players and the additional challenges they face. I have no doubt that it is a lot harder to balance academics and athletics at Yale than it is at most other universities.

That was my interpretation as well. Thought he was boosting his kids for getting ready to play right before finals, not bashing MSU. The reality at Yale is that there is almost "nowhere to hide" for these students in terms of really easy classes. You are balancing very demanding football and very demanding academics. Nothing remotely comparable for major college football outside of Stanford and maybe Rice or Duke. Schools like Michigan, UNC or Florida are excellent academically, but they have plenty of "easy pass" courses for athletes if you know where to look. Just not true in the ivies.

Uh huh.

https://www.realcleareducation.com/202 ... 98873.html

You will be shocked to learn that USC, Stanford, Ohio State and . . . Montana State University all have remedial math courses. Stunning, if true, I know.

https://catalog.montana.edu/coursedescriptions/m/

And most offer no college credit.

Well aware. I worked in a tutoring room on campus for those students. In the 80s, one didn’t get a professor teaching class until Calculus. One’s “section” merely determined what time an exam could be taken.

And I taught my share of middle school math at UNLV.

[BobcatBuiltTexan]

People this is the playoffs. The expectation to blow everyone out needs to dissipate. I said multiple times we're winning the natty. It won't be pretty but we'll win it. These guys just find a way to win. Vigen is showing a lot more emotion this year and it seems the players are adopting that as well. I see more celebrating, more mouthing, these dudes play with an edge. They show up when needed, doesn't always look good but they seen too understand the assignment, win the game by any means necessary.

I was watching the game and really didn't see the chippiness. I'm not saying it wasn't happening just saying i didn't see on tv. Personally I have felt all year Julius has been on edge and seems a bit unbridled and nobody checks him for his antics. Every team has one, he's ours. What I'll say is if he was defending Vigen kudos to him, but when Vigen told him to chill he needs to chill going back and forth ain't a good look. I also didn't like how he bodied Carr. I will say that I see a natty type team because they didn't let any of that bother them....guys I played with would have reacted badly to that. Kudos to Carr brott and the rest of the team for keeping their composure, even with their teammate.

[exppi]

I don't take the Yale coach's comment as being a shot directed specifically at MSU, but more of a statement of his support for his own players and the additional challenges they face. I have no doubt that it is a lot harder to balance academics and athletics at Yale than it is at most other universities.

That was my interpretation as well. Thought he was boosting his kids for getting ready to play right before finals, not bashing MSU. The reality at Yale is that there is almost "nowhere to hide" for these students in terms of really easy classes. You are balancing very demanding football and very demanding academics. Nothing remotely comparable for major college football outside of Stanford and maybe Rice or Duke. Schools like Michigan, UNC or Florida are excellent academically, but they have plenty of "easy pass" courses for athletes if you know where to look. Just not true in the ivies.

Uh huh.

https://www.realcleareducation.com/202 ... 98873.html

You will be shocked to learn that USC, Stanford, Ohio State and . . . Montana State University all have remedial math courses. Stunning, if true, I know.

https://catalog.montana.edu/coursedescriptions/m/

And most offer no college credit.

Well aware. I worked in a tutoring room on campus for those students. In the 80s, one didn’t get a professor teaching class until Calculus. One’s “section” merely determined what time an exam could be taken.

And I taught my share of middle school math at UNLV.

I worked the same room and taught the same classes in Bozeman. This isn't anything new, it is just getting more publicity.

[SCVBobcat]

Reports of grade inflation in the Ivy League have been around decades. Here's one that just came out: https://manhattan.institute/article/how ... pply-of-as.

I guarantee you that engineering majors at MSU have to work harder than 75% of the majors at Yale. A lot of the other non-STEM majors probably match up pretty evenly. Ivy League is a lot about having the right political viewpoint these days, sometimes even in STEM. How do you think a brilliant conservative student would be graded in their social science and English courses there? Sorry, straying from football a bit but that comment from their coach hit a nerve. Don't think for a moment that most adults there aren't in an arrogant ivy tower bubble, and some of the players probably pick it up as well. Woke up this morning expecting their coaches and players to be classier than most, but not so sure now...

[SparkCat]

Reports of grade inflation in the Ivy League have been around decades. Here's one that just came out: https://manhattan.institute/article/how ... pply-of-as.

I guarantee you that engineering majors at MSU have to work harder than 75% of the majors at Yale. A lot of the other non-STEM majors probably match up pretty evenly. Ivy League is a lot about having the right political viewpoint these days, sometimes even in STEM. How do you think a brilliant conservative student would be graded in their social science and English courses there? Sorry, straying from football a bit but that comment from their coach hit a nerve. Don't think for a moment that most adults there aren't in an arrogant ivy tower bubble, and some of the players probably pick it up as well. Woke up this morning expecting their coaches and players to be classier than most, but not so sure now...

I spent time at Brown University. They basically have a choose your adventure for your curriculum. It’s actually really cool, however, I’d agree, the courses are not any more fancier than MSU’s

[PortlandCat90]

That looks to be the DC, not the Head Coach? The "real school" is definitely a shot at MSU. Doesn't the HC face the masses after a loss? Compare this to Vigen, who is nothing but gracious.

I no I am many more stupier than anybody with the Y their jacket and hat, but if Coach Reno has a minute to explain, I'd love to hear the Statistics textbook rationale for going for 2 via a reverse pass by the WR when down 8 with 14 minutes left. But then, I didn't go to 2 real schools to get my CPA and MBA so I may need an interpreter.

[RyeCat]

I may not be smart enough to say this because I only have an undergrad from MSU and grad degree from Univ of WA, but it mostly doesn’t matter where you went to college after you start your career unless you’re planning to be a politician. Yale and Ivy degrees get you connections. They don’t necessarily make you smart or hard working. But what do I know, I didn’t go to real school.