Bobcats vs Yale - Not the Official Game Day Thread

[technoCat]

That looks to be the DC, not the Head Coach? The "real school" is definitely a shot at MSU. Doesn't the HC face the masses after a loss? Compare this to Vigen, who is nothing but gracious.

I no I am many more stupier than anybody with the Y their jacket and hat, but if Coach Reno has a minute to explain, I'd love to hear the Statistics textbook rationale for going for 2 via a reverse pass by the WR when down 8 with 14 minutes left. But then, I didn't go to 2 real schools to get my CPA and MBA so I may need an interpreter.

It is objectively the right decision to go for 2 down 8 in the fourth quarter. It gives you a higher chance to win the game. The big mistake Yale’s coach made was not going for 2 again at the end of the game.

HUH? You go for 2 at the end and miss it, you’re down 2 scores with 2 minutes to go?

It’s better to go for it because you need to make a two point conversion at some point. You might as well try and get it down 9 to cut the lead to seven, which gives you the chance to win the game, rather than ensure the best you can do is tie. You should be trying to win the game, not to ensure that it is a closer game. That’s for people who believe in moral victories.

They didn’t need a 2 point try. They were down 8 before the extra point. Kicking 2 PATs would send the game to OT.

Think you better check your math. Score after their second TD was 21-12. XP made it 21-13. Looks like down 8 to me and you can't tie with an XP - takes a second 2pt conversion to tie.

Hes talking about the first td when it was 6-14.

[onceacat]

That looks to be the DC, not the Head Coach? The "real school" is definitely a shot at MSU. Doesn't the HC face the masses after a loss? Compare this to Vigen, who is nothing but gracious.

I no I am many more stupier than anybody with the Y their jacket and hat, but if Coach Reno has a minute to explain, I'd love to hear the Statistics textbook rationale for going for 2 via a reverse pass by the WR when down 8 with 14 minutes left. But then, I didn't go to 2 real schools to get my CPA and MBA so I may need an interpreter.

It is objectively the right decision to go for 2 down 8 in the fourth quarter. It gives you a higher chance to win the game. The big mistake Yale’s coach made was not going for 2 again at the end of the game.

HUH? You go for 2 at the end and miss it, you’re down 2 scores with 2 minutes to go?

It’s better to go for it because you need to make a two point conversion at some point. You might as well try and get it down 9 to cut the lead to seven, which gives you the chance to win the game, rather than ensure the best you can do is tie. You should be trying to win the game, not to ensure that it is a closer game. That’s for people who believe in moral victories.

They didn’t need a 2 point try. They were down 8 before the extra point. Kicking 2 PATs would send the game to OT.

Think you better check your math. Score after their second TD was 21-12. XP made it 21-13. Looks like down 8 to me and you can't tie with an XP - takes a second 2pt conversion to tie.

Hes talking about the first td when it was 6-14.

Yep. 1st TD when it could have been 7-14

[tetoncat]

Another thing that may be of interest to some but the Ivy doesn’t allow students to have a fifth year. Since most don’t play as freshmen and they can’t play a redshirt year in the Ivy, you’ll see a crap ton enter the portal with a year to play but can’t stay where they are.

With the portal most top level athletes will not be at the initial school in year 5

I’m guessing that the Ivie’s have a lot fewer guys jump into the portal than most schools.

His comment was about the 5th year. They don't get it but most other FCS do. With NIL it will become less likely top players are at their original school is my point

[GoodTimesAllTheTime]

That looks to be the DC, not the Head Coach? The "real school" is definitely a shot at MSU. Doesn't the HC face the masses after a loss? Compare this to Vigen, who is nothing but gracious.

I no I am many more stupier than anybody with the Y their jacket and hat, but if Coach Reno has a minute to explain, I'd love to hear the Statistics textbook rationale for going for 2 via a reverse pass by the WR when down 8 with 14 minutes left. But then, I didn't go to 2 real schools to get my CPA and MBA so I may need an interpreter.

It is objectively the right decision to go for 2 down 8 in the fourth quarter. It gives you a higher chance to win the game. The big mistake Yale’s coach made was not going for 2 again at the end of the game.

HUH? You go for 2 at the end and miss it, you’re down 2 scores with 2 minutes to go?

And if you make it, you can take the lead instead of tie if you score again. It's only a bad decision when we analyze it after knowing what the outcome of the play was.

It depends on what you think your odds are in the college OT. A 2 pt is about a 50-50. So going for it gives you a 50-50 shot at being able to win in regulation. Then another 50-50 to tie if you miss the first one & go to OT.

If I had #7 in my backfield, I’d feel pretty confident in OT, but maybe Yale didn’t.

But #7 is in your backfield for the 2 pt conversion too. I think if you feel good about your chances in overtime, all those same reasons should make you feel good about picking up the 2 point conversion. You just scored, the defense is tired at the end of the drive. Why let the defense regroup?

[tetoncat]

That looks to be the DC, not the Head Coach? The "real school" is definitely a shot at MSU. Doesn't the HC face the masses after a loss? Compare this to Vigen, who is nothing but gracious.

I no I am many more stupier than anybody with the Y their jacket and hat, but if Coach Reno has a minute to explain, I'd love to hear the Statistics textbook rationale for going for 2 via a reverse pass by the WR when down 8 with 14 minutes left. But then, I didn't go to 2 real schools to get my CPA and MBA so I may need an interpreter.

It is objectively the right decision to go for 2 down 8 in the fourth quarter. It gives you a higher chance to win the game. The big mistake Yale’s coach made was not going for 2 again at the end of the game.

HUH? You go for 2 at the end and miss it, you’re down 2 scores with 2 minutes to go?

And if you make it, you can take the lead instead of tie if you score again. It's only a bad decision when we analyze it after knowing what the outcome of the play was.

It depends on what you think your odds are in the college OT. A 2 pt is about a 50-50. So going for it gives you a 50-50 shot at being able to win in regulation. Then another 50-50 to tie if you miss the first one & go to OT.

If I had #7 in my backfield, I’d feel pretty confident in OT, but maybe Yale didn’t.

But #7 is in your backfield for the 2 pt conversion too. I think if you feel good about your chances in overtime, all those same reasons should make you feel good about picking up the 2 point conversion. You just scored, the defense is tired at the end of the drive. Why let the defense regroup?

VS Youngstown Yale TD made it 42-20 in 3rd and they went for 2. Made it and ended up winning 43-42. Maybe they base it off how they scored and feeling they had momentum or something, so take chance early to set themselves up to not have a tie. If fail can go again later to tie if necessary

[Prodigal Cat]

That looks to be the DC, not the Head Coach? The "real school" is definitely a shot at MSU. Doesn't the HC face the masses after a loss? Compare this to Vigen, who is nothing but gracious.

I no I am many more stupier than anybody with the Y their jacket and hat, but if Coach Reno has a minute to explain, I'd love to hear the Statistics textbook rationale for going for 2 via a reverse pass by the WR when down 8 with 14 minutes left. But then, I didn't go to 2 real schools to get my CPA and MBA so I may need an interpreter.

It is objectively the right decision to go for 2 down 8 in the fourth quarter. It gives you a higher chance to win the game. The big mistake Yale’s coach made was not going for 2 again at the end of the game.

HUH? You go for 2 at the end and miss it, you’re down 2 scores with 2 minutes to go?

And if you make it, you can take the lead instead of tie if you score again. It's only a bad decision when we analyze it after knowing what the outcome of the play was.

It depends on what you think your odds are in the college OT. A 2 pt is about a 50-50. So going for it gives you a 50-50 shot at being able to win in regulation. Then another 50-50 to tie if you miss the first one & go to OT.

If I had #7 in my backfield, I’d feel pretty confident in OT, but maybe Yale didn’t.

But #7 is in your backfield for the 2 pt conversion too. I think if you feel good about your chances in overtime, all those same reasons should make you feel good about picking up the 2 point conversion. You just scored, the defense is tired at the end of the drive. Why let the defense regroup?

Going for 2 is one of the major reasons they got the win versus YSU. They went for 2 in the 3rd, on their 3rd TD to make it 22-42. Getting 2 there made it so when they completed their comeback they were actually up 43-42 on the same number of TD's. It put the impetus on YSU to have to score instead of settling for OT. It shouldn't shock anyone that they would employ the same strategy the next week. They were playing to win.

[84CatGrad]

I'd like to ask the Yale coach why they did not give the ball to Pitsenberger down 7-0 with a first-and-goal on the seven. I'd have given him the ball four straight times.

[kwcat]

I'd like to ask the Yale coach why they did not give the ball to Pitsenberger down 7-0 with a first-and-goal on the seven. I'd have given him the ball four straight times.

Because that would’ve been smart!

[WalkOn79]

That looks to be the DC, not the Head Coach? The "real school" is definitely a shot at MSU. Doesn't the HC face the masses after a loss? Compare this to Vigen, who is nothing but gracious.

I no I am many more stupier than anybody with the Y their jacket and hat, but if Coach Reno has a minute to explain, I'd love to hear the Statistics textbook rationale for going for 2 via a reverse pass by the WR when down 8 with 14 minutes left. But then, I didn't go to 2 real schools to get my CPA and MBA so I may need an interpreter.

It is objectively the right decision to go for 2 down 8 in the fourth quarter. It gives you a higher chance to win the game. The big mistake Yale’s coach made was not going for 2 again at the end of the game.

HUH? You go for 2 at the end and miss it, you’re down 2 scores with 2 minutes to go?

It’s better to go for it because you need to make a two point conversion at some point. You might as well try and get it down 9 to cut the lead to seven, which gives you the chance to win the game, rather than ensure the best you can do is tie. You should be trying to win the game, not to ensure that it is a closer game. That’s for people who believe in moral victories.

Dude, if you don't convert then you have NO chance with 2 minutes left down 2 scores. You have to cut it to one score there to have any hope of extending the game.

[WalkOn79]

That looks to be the DC, not the Head Coach? The "real school" is definitely a shot at MSU. Doesn't the HC face the masses after a loss? Compare this to Vigen, who is nothing but gracious.

I no I am many more stupier than anybody with the Y their jacket and hat, but if Coach Reno has a minute to explain, I'd love to hear the Statistics textbook rationale for going for 2 via a reverse pass by the WR when down 8 with 14 minutes left. But then, I didn't go to 2 real schools to get my CPA and MBA so I may need an interpreter.

It is objectively the right decision to go for 2 down 8 in the fourth quarter. It gives you a higher chance to win the game. The big mistake Yale’s coach made was not going for 2 again at the end of the game.

HUH? You go for 2 at the end and miss it, you’re down 2 scores with 2 minutes to go?

It’s better to go for it because you need to make a two point conversion at some point. You might as well try and get it down 9 to cut the lead to seven, which gives you the chance to win the game, rather than ensure the best you can do is tie. You should be trying to win the game, not to ensure that it is a closer game. That’s for people who believe in moral victories.

They didn’t need a 2 point try. They were down 8 before the extra point. Kicking 2 PATs would send the game to OT.

Think you better check your math. Score after their second TD was 21-12. XP made it 21-13. Looks like down 8 to me and you can't tie with an XP - takes a second 2pt conversion to tie.

Yeah, they were down 9 before the extra point.

[BelligerentBobcat]

The idea behind the early 2 pt is it gives you time to make up for it if you don’t get it. It’s not a bad strategy.

[Bulldog fan]

FYI - regarding the coaching situation.

Dear Friends and Families of Yale Football,

With Coach Tony Reno’s permission, I write to share that he will be taking a medical leave of absence. Coach Reno and his family have our full support as he takes the time he needs to focus on his health and recovery.

During Coach Reno’s absence, Sean McGowan will serve as Acting Head Coach until Coach Reno’s return. Sean has been an integral part of the program since 2015, and we have complete confidence in his leadership. Please join me in supporting Sean as he steps into this role during Tony’s time away.

Thank you for your continued support of Yale Football. Our commitment to providing an exceptional experience for our student-athletes remains unwavering.

https://view.message.yale.edu/?qs=3f708 ... 4abefb3f98

Thanks for sharing that. I'm still not sure why he refused to take part in any interviews, but you sure don't want to kick s guy when he's down. Hopefully he gets the care and recovery he needs.

Thought it might shed some light on the interviews/etc. No inside knowledge but a lot of speculation online that he has had a stroke or two recently and am not sure he could have done the interviews.

Regarding a few other discussion topics.

I'm 80/20 against going for two at that point. It was at the start of the fourth and clearly we could move the ball as well or better than MSU. You make it and it's a big momentum pusher, but if you're stopped, the opponent feels like they got a W on that drive which is what happened. Also didn't like the call, give it to #7, don't get cute. Feel the same about the late interception. Throw barely behind him and he could have made the catch, but the pressure caused a quick/bad throw imo.

Portal is a tough deal for the Ivy League schools. Hard to get in as a transfer and often not all credits come over the same way. I know of one kid who was going to graduate this coming May from a good academic FBS school in Texas but his credits came over as a sophomore. No scholarships, hard entrance, loss of credits aren't appealing in the portal marketplace. There have been a good number of basketball players leave(some big $ in hoops) but not as many football players, but the portal is pretty much a one way street for these teams and I don't know that there is a lot they can do to counteract in the short term.

[WalkOn79]

FYI - regarding the coaching situation.

Dear Friends and Families of Yale Football,

With Coach Tony Reno’s permission, I write to share that he will be taking a medical leave of absence. Coach Reno and his family have our full support as he takes the time he needs to focus on his health and recovery.

During Coach Reno’s absence, Sean McGowan will serve as Acting Head Coach until Coach Reno’s return. Sean has been an integral part of the program since 2015, and we have complete confidence in his leadership. Please join me in supporting Sean as he steps into this role during Tony’s time away.

Thank you for your continued support of Yale Football. Our commitment to providing an exceptional experience for our student-athletes remains unwavering.

https://view.message.yale.edu/?qs=3f708 ... 4abefb3f98

Thanks for sharing that. I'm still not sure why he refused to take part in any interviews, but you sure don't want to kick s guy when he's down. Hopefully he gets the care and recovery he needs.

Thought it might shed some light on the interviews/etc. No inside knowledge but a lot of speculation online that he has had a stroke or two recently and am not sure he could have done the interviews.

Regarding a few other discussion topics.

I'm 80/20 against going for two at that point. It was at the start of the fourth and clearly we could move the ball as well or better than MSU. You make it and it's a big momentum pusher, but if you're stopped, the opponent feels like they got a W on that drive which is what happened. Also didn't like the call, give it to #7, don't get cute. Feel the same about the late interception. Throw barely behind him and he could have made the catch, but the pressure caused a quick/bad throw imo.

Portal is a tough deal for the Ivy League schools. Hard to get in as a transfer and often not all credits come over the same way. I know of one kid who was going to graduate this coming May from a good academic FBS school in Texas but his credits came over as a sophomore. No scholarships, hard entrance, loss of credits aren't appealing in the portal marketplace. There have been a good number of basketball players leave(some big $ in hoops) but not as many football players, but the portal is pretty much a one way street for these teams and I don't know that there is a lot they can do to counteract in the short term.

Rev share might be an option to attract/retain though, right? You guys have a $40B endowment or something like that.

[Bulldog fan]

None of the Ivies opted into the settlement, so revenue share isn't possible.

The point is well made, that there is money available, NIL or otherwise to make some inroads there. I just don't know what the appetite is overall. I could see a tipping point at some point in the near/mid term that the schools see a bigger exodus (probably in basketball I'd think) and they have to figure out which way they want to go.

Another interesting point, to me anyway lol is that typically the Ivies have a much higher percentage of student athletes than may other schools. Typically ~10-20% of their students are athletes.

This year there are ~925 athletes at Yale and ~6,800 students for 13%.

Google tells me MSU has ~400 athletes and ~14,500 students for ~3%.

Harvard is tops usually with ~1,200 athletes and ~7,000 students. 17%

Clearly a lot of that number is made up with offering a lot of sports, but sports is clearly important for the schools, but the dynamics are changing fast. Will e interesting to see how they adapt.

[WalkOn79]

Just re-watching the pancake by Titan. What a ****** call!!!

[kmax]

I'd like to ask the Yale coach why they did not give the ball to Pitsenberger down 7-0 with a first-and-goal on the seven. I'd have given him the ball four straight times.

I don't know if there is a such thing as a Yale alum Seahawks fan but if so I can't even imagine the PTSD effects of that one.

[GoodTimesAllTheTime]

That looks to be the DC, not the Head Coach? The "real school" is definitely a shot at MSU. Doesn't the HC face the masses after a loss? Compare this to Vigen, who is nothing but gracious.

I no I am many more stupier than anybody with the Y their jacket and hat, but if Coach Reno has a minute to explain, I'd love to hear the Statistics textbook rationale for going for 2 via a reverse pass by the WR when down 8 with 14 minutes left. But then, I didn't go to 2 real schools to get my CPA and MBA so I may need an interpreter.

It is objectively the right decision to go for 2 down 8 in the fourth quarter. It gives you a higher chance to win the game. The big mistake Yale’s coach made was not going for 2 again at the end of the game.

HUH? You go for 2 at the end and miss it, you’re down 2 scores with 2 minutes to go?

It’s better to go for it because you need to make a two point conversion at some point. You might as well try and get it down 9 to cut the lead to seven, which gives you the chance to win the game, rather than ensure the best you can do is tie. You should be trying to win the game, not to ensure that it is a closer game. That’s for people who believe in moral victories.

Dude, if you don't convert then you have NO chance with 2 minutes left down 2 scores. You have to cut it to one score there to have any hope of extending the game.

No, I’m sorry but that’s totally wrong. You need a 2 point conversion and at least one extra point. If you wait until the end of the game to go for it, you either don’t get it and lose or you tie. If you go for it with ~2 minutes to go and get it, then you can win by converting another 2 point conversion or choose to tie kicking XP. It also preserves your (very slim) chances to make up for the missed 2pt conversion and try to score twice. It should be about maximizing your chances of winning. You can’t be afraid of losing by 9 vs losing by 8.

[WalkOn79]

That looks to be the DC, not the Head Coach? The "real school" is definitely a shot at MSU. Doesn't the HC face the masses after a loss? Compare this to Vigen, who is nothing but gracious.

I no I am many more stupier than anybody with the Y their jacket and hat, but if Coach Reno has a minute to explain, I'd love to hear the Statistics textbook rationale for going for 2 via a reverse pass by the WR when down 8 with 14 minutes left. But then, I didn't go to 2 real schools to get my CPA and MBA so I may need an interpreter.

It is objectively the right decision to go for 2 down 8 in the fourth quarter. It gives you a higher chance to win the game. The big mistake Yale’s coach made was not going for 2 again at the end of the game.

HUH? You go for 2 at the end and miss it, you’re down 2 scores with 2 minutes to go?

It’s better to go for it because you need to make a two point conversion at some point. You might as well try and get it down 9 to cut the lead to seven, which gives you the chance to win the game, rather than ensure the best you can do is tie. You should be trying to win the game, not to ensure that it is a closer game. That’s for people who believe in moral victories.

Dude, if you don't convert then you have NO chance with 2 minutes left down 2 scores. You have to cut it to one score there to have any hope of extending the game.

No, I’m sorry but that’s totally wrong. You need a 2 point conversion and at least one extra point. If you wait until the end of the game to go for it, you either don’t get it and lose or you tie. If you go for it with ~2 minutes to go and get it, then you can win by converting another 2 point conversion or choose to tie kicking XP. It also preserves your (very slim) chances to make up for the missed 2pt conversion and try to score twice. It should be about maximizing your chances of winning. You can’t be afraid of losing by 9 vs losing by 8.

Agree to disagree I guess.

[wbtfg]

That looks to be the DC, not the Head Coach? The "real school" is definitely a shot at MSU. Doesn't the HC face the masses after a loss? Compare this to Vigen, who is nothing but gracious.

I no I am many more stupier than anybody with the Y their jacket and hat, but if Coach Reno has a minute to explain, I'd love to hear the Statistics textbook rationale for going for 2 via a reverse pass by the WR when down 8 with 14 minutes left. But then, I didn't go to 2 real schools to get my CPA and MBA so I may need an interpreter.

It is objectively the right decision to go for 2 down 8 in the fourth quarter. It gives you a higher chance to win the game. The big mistake Yale’s coach made was not going for 2 again at the end of the game.

HUH? You go for 2 at the end and miss it, you’re down 2 scores with 2 minutes to go?

It’s better to go for it because you need to make a two point conversion at some point. You might as well try and get it down 9 to cut the lead to seven, which gives you the chance to win the game, rather than ensure the best you can do is tie. You should be trying to win the game, not to ensure that it is a closer game. That’s for people who believe in moral victories.

Dude, if you don't convert then you have NO chance with 2 minutes left down 2 scores. You have to cut it to one score there to have any hope of extending the game.

No, I’m sorry but that’s totally wrong. You need a 2 point conversion and at least one extra point. If you wait until the end of the game to go for it, you either don’t get it and lose or you tie. If you go for it with ~2 minutes to go and get it, then you can win by converting another 2 point conversion or choose to tie kicking XP. It also preserves your (very slim) chances to make up for the missed 2pt conversion and try to score twice. It should be about maximizing your chances of winning. You can’t be afraid of losing by 9 vs losing by 8.

Agree to disagree I guess.

I'm with you, that was a bizarre call. I think it was an unorthodox attempt to garner some additional momentum. Backfired on him. Vigen didn't understand the logic either.....

[GoodTimesAllTheTime]

That looks to be the DC, not the Head Coach? The "real school" is definitely a shot at MSU. Doesn't the HC face the masses after a loss? Compare this to Vigen, who is nothing but gracious.

I no I am many more stupier than anybody with the Y their jacket and hat, but if Coach Reno has a minute to explain, I'd love to hear the Statistics textbook rationale for going for 2 via a reverse pass by the WR when down 8 with 14 minutes left. But then, I didn't go to 2 real schools to get my CPA and MBA so I may need an interpreter.

It is objectively the right decision to go for 2 down 8 in the fourth quarter. It gives you a higher chance to win the game. The big mistake Yale’s coach made was not going for 2 again at the end of the game.

HUH? You go for 2 at the end and miss it, you’re down 2 scores with 2 minutes to go?

It’s better to go for it because you need to make a two point conversion at some point. You might as well try and get it down 9 to cut the lead to seven, which gives you the chance to win the game, rather than ensure the best you can do is tie. You should be trying to win the game, not to ensure that it is a closer game. That’s for people who believe in moral victories.

Dude, if you don't convert then you have NO chance with 2 minutes left down 2 scores. You have to cut it to one score there to have any hope of extending the game.

No, I’m sorry but that’s totally wrong. You need a 2 point conversion and at least one extra point. If you wait until the end of the game to go for it, you either don’t get it and lose or you tie. If you go for it with ~2 minutes to go and get it, then you can win by converting another 2 point conversion or choose to tie kicking XP. It also preserves your (very slim) chances to make up for the missed 2pt conversion and try to score twice. It should be about maximizing your chances of winning. You can’t be afraid of losing by 9 vs losing by 8.

Agree to disagree I guess.

On what part? The math is the math. You need a 2 point conversion either way, why would you wait until you can’t make up for it?