I see NO HOPE in reducing the toxicity

[aucat]

I love the rivalry of the Brawl of the Wild, and unlike other rivalries where I have seen the toxic behavior from fans and players go off the charts, like Ohio State-Michigan, Florida-Florida State, Miami-Florida State, etc. I have always thought we had a decent amount of mutual respect among Bobcat and Griz fans.

However, the way in which UM fans are absolutely going off right now about Vigen and the Davis incident gives me no hope. UM is taking the position that they are the "pure, wonderful, high end character" among all of FCS, while Montana State has descended into thugery among both the players as well as the coaches.

IF both UM and MSU manage to win this next weekend I'm very concerned about what the atmosphere in Bobcat Stadium will be like. Unlike regular home games, I believe the visiting team in the FCS playoffs gets a fairly sizeable number of tickets.

I am so hopeful that UM loses to South Dakota so we don't end up with what could be a very bad scene. I didn't like what Davis did but thanks to ESPN it has been blown up into much more than it was.

[lutecat]

Well then throw it back in their face then. Listen to Coon's interview this morning. He talks about going to zootown to watch his brother play when he was a high school senior. In the north end zone. And having people throw food at him. So they can take then and stick it up their @ss.

@OldGriz make sure people in grizdom realize this if you would.

[OldGriz]

I love the rivalry of the Brawl of the Wild, and unlike other rivalries where I have seen the toxic behavior from fans and players go off the charts, like Ohio State-Michigan, Florida-Florida State, Miami-Florida State, etc. I have always thought we had a decent amount of mutual respect among Bobcat and Griz fans.

However, the way in which UM fans are absolutely going off right now about Vigen and the Davis incident gives me no hope. UM is taking the position that they are the "pure, wonderful, high end character" among all of FCS, while Montana State has descended into thugery among both the players as well as the coaches.

IF both UM and MSU manage to win this next weekend I'm very concerned about what the atmosphere in Bobcat Stadium will be like. Unlike regular home games, I believe the visiting team in the FCS playoffs gets a fairly sizeable number of tickets.

I am so hopeful that UM loses to South Dakota so we don't end up with what could be a very bad scene. I didn't like what Davis did but thanks to ESPN it has been blown up into much more than it was.

Uh … might want to look at how Bobcat fans are going off about the Vigen and Davis incident. It’s not a Griz thing. Myself, I think they got it squared away and time to move forward.

[kwcat]

Do we really need a new thread on this one?

[AFCAT]

Do we really need a new thread on this one?

I'm going to start an; "I want more toxicity in the rivalry thread." Just to cover all the bases.

[kwcat]

Do we really need a new thread on this one?

I'm going to start an; "I want more toxicity in the rivalry thread." Just to cover all the bases.

[kcatz]

I love the rivalry of the Brawl of the Wild, and unlike other rivalries where I have seen the toxic behavior from fans and players go off the charts, like Ohio State-Michigan, Florida-Florida State, Miami-Florida State, etc. I have always thought we had a decent amount of mutual respect among Bobcat and Griz fans.

However, the way in which UM fans are absolutely going off right now about Vigen and the Davis incident gives me no hope. UM is taking the position that they are the "pure, wonderful, high end character" among all of FCS, while Montana State has descended into thugery among both the players as well as the coaches.

IF both UM and MSU manage to win this next weekend I'm very concerned about what the atmosphere in Bobcat Stadium will be like. Unlike regular home games, I believe the visiting team in the FCS playoffs gets a fairly sizeable number of tickets.

I am so hopeful that UM loses to South Dakota so we don't end up with what could be a very bad scene. I didn't like what Davis did but thanks to ESPN it has been blown up into much more than it was.

If we want to limit griz access to tickets all season ticket holders gave until this Wednesday to request extra seats.

[SparkCat]

Just really goes to show, we need more for sports in Montana. A professional team to give us common ground.

Realistically, the toxicity exists on the two forums and social media with weird fans. My family, now split because of me, has some diehard griz family and friends, and it’s not that toxic. However, the more anonymous people can be the more cruel they will be.

Both sides have its weirdos, the griz seem to have a little bit more of an axe to grind as they had a few rough years in the national spot light.

Unfortunately for and number of excellent things that our student athletes do at both schools, we always focus on the negative, it’s pretty petty, and I’m sure there is a number of posters here just waiting to for the next UM slip up to throw it right back at them.

[OldGriz]

Just really goes to show, we need more for sports in Montana. A professional team to give us common ground.

Realistically, the toxicity exists on the two forums and social media with weird fans. My family, now split because of me, has some diehard griz family and friends, and it’s not that toxic. However, the more anonymous people can be the more cruel they will be.

Both sides have its weirdos, the griz seem to have a little bit more of an axe to grind as they had a few rough years in the national spot light.

Unfortunately for and number of excellent things that our student athletes do at both schools, we always focus on the negative, it’s pretty petty, and I’m sure there is a number of posters here just waiting to for the next UM slip up to throw it right back at them.

Since the Outlaws folded, we don’t have a prayer of coming together. I really thought the Metra could be kumbaya cathedral.

[catzz]

I love the rivalry of the Brawl of the Wild, and unlike other rivalries where I have seen the toxic behavior from fans and players go off the charts, like Ohio State-Michigan, Florida-Florida State, Miami-Florida State, etc. I have always thought we had a decent amount of mutual respect among Bobcat and Griz fans.

However, the way in which UM fans are absolutely going off right now about Vigen and the Davis incident gives me no hope. UM is taking the position that they are the "pure, wonderful, high end character" among all of FCS, while Montana State has descended into thugery among both the players as well as the coaches.

IF both UM and MSU manage to win this next weekend I'm very concerned about what the atmosphere in Bobcat Stadium will be like. Unlike regular home games, I believe the visiting team in the FCS playoffs gets a fairly sizeable number of tickets.

I am so hopeful that UM loses to South Dakota so we don't end up with what could be a very bad scene. I didn't like what Davis did but thanks to ESPN it has been blown up into much more than it was.

If we want to limit griz access to tickets all season ticket holders gave until this Wednesday to request extra seats.

Do we need to call in to request additional? I don’t see that option online.

[nanacat]

Any griz fan who is clutching their pearls over the Vigen- Davis thing, clearly is fine with their head coach and QB throwing F bombs at each other during a game. Double standard much?

[OldGriz]

Any griz fan who is clutching their pearls over the Vigen- Davis thing, clearly is fine with their head coach and QB throwing F bombs at each other during a game. Double standard much?

That’s just a circular argument that never ends. Most have moved on. Btw, a lot of Cat fans are more worked up about it. Evidence is right here in the Davis thread. I’m in the moved-on camp.

[Bobcat Sig]

What if it's less toxic and a bit more food poisoning style? Is that better?

[nanacat]

Any griz fan who is clutching their pearls over the Vigen- Davis thing, clearly is fine with their head coach and QB throwing F bombs at each other during a game. Double standard much?

That’s just a circular argument that never ends. Most have moved on. Btw, a lot of Cat fans are more worked up about it. Evidence is right here in the Davis thread. I’m in the moved-on camp.

It's a circular argument because each program continues to beat dead horses of varying kinds, which just perpetuates the toxicity of the rivalry. I too have moved on, from both incidences. Let's just watch these awesome young men play the game and leave it on the field!

[KIX]

Well then throw it back in their face then. Listen to Coon's interview this morning. He talks about going to zootown to watch his brother play when he was a high school senior. In the north end zone. And having people throw food at him. So they can take then and stick it up their @ss.

@OldGriz make sure people in grizdom realize this if you would.

This

[OldGriz]

Any griz fan who is clutching their pearls over the Vigen- Davis thing, clearly is fine with their head coach and QB throwing F bombs at each other during a game. Double standard much?

That’s just a circular argument that never ends. Most have moved on. Btw, a lot of Cat fans are more worked up about it. Evidence is right here in the Davis thread. I’m in the moved-on camp.

It's a circular argument because each program continues to beat dead horses of varying kinds, which just perpetuates the toxicity of the rivalry. I too have moved on, from both incidences. Let's just watch these awesome young men play the game and leave it on the field!

Right on. We are fortunate for the level of college football we get to enjoy in Montana.

[catatac]

I love the rivalry of the Brawl of the Wild, and unlike other rivalries where I have seen the toxic behavior from fans and players go off the charts, like Ohio State-Michigan, Florida-Florida State, Miami-Florida State, etc. I have always thought we had a decent amount of mutual respect among Bobcat and Griz fans.

However, the way in which UM fans are absolutely going off right now about Vigen and the Davis incident gives me no hope. UM is taking the position that they are the "pure, wonderful, high end character" among all of FCS, while Montana State has descended into thugery among both the players as well as the coaches.

IF both UM and MSU manage to win this next weekend I'm very concerned about what the atmosphere in Bobcat Stadium will be like. Unlike regular home games, I believe the visiting team in the FCS playoffs gets a fairly sizeable number of tickets.

I am so hopeful that UM loses to South Dakota so we don't end up with what could be a very bad scene. I didn't like what Davis did but thanks to ESPN it has been blown up into much more than it was.

Nah, it will just be a pretty normal Cat Griz, with more on the line. Vast majority of interactions will be civil, fun, good natured ribbing, with a few bad eggs thrown in there, probably a couple fights in the stands, etc. Pretty standard. In fact I've heard stories about how there used to be way more fist fights at Cat Griz back in the 70's and 80's. No idea if that's true or not. I don't think it's going to turn int a riot or anything.

[TomCat88]

I love the rivalry of the Brawl of the Wild, and unlike other rivalries where I have seen the toxic behavior from fans and players go off the charts, like Ohio State-Michigan, Florida-Florida State, Miami-Florida State, etc. I have always thought we had a decent amount of mutual respect among Bobcat and Griz fans.

However, the way in which UM fans are absolutely going off right now about Vigen and the Davis incident gives me no hope. UM is taking the position that they are the "pure, wonderful, high end character" among all of FCS, while Montana State has descended into thugery among both the players as well as the coaches.

IF both UM and MSU manage to win this next weekend I'm very concerned about what the atmosphere in Bobcat Stadium will be like. Unlike regular home games, I believe the visiting team in the FCS playoffs gets a fairly sizeable number of tickets.

I am so hopeful that UM loses to South Dakota so we don't end up with what could be a very bad scene. I didn't like what Davis did but thanks to ESPN it has been blown up into much more than it was.

Nah, it will just be a pretty normal Cat Griz, with more on the line. Vast majority of interactions will be civil, fun, good natured ribbing, with a few bad eggs thrown in there, probably a couple fights in the stands, etc. Pretty standard. In fact I've heard stories about how there used to be way more fist fights at Cat Griz back in the 70's and 80's. No idea if that's true or not. I don't think it's going to turn int a riot or anything.

Way more fights in the 70s and 80s. More people went to games, bars, school for the fights not to watch, drink or learn.

Fighting used to be the thing. Every town ranked the fighters. People would get into arguments about who the toughest fighters were and if a tough guy came to a town, then that towns tough guy would find out and it was on.

I remember when one of the toughest guys from Billings came to Helena with a few of his buddies. The toughest guy in Helena and his buddies found them and proceeded to “talk trash” and were summarily beaten to a pulp. No cops, no guns, no knives just good old fist fights. Then they all shook hands and drank beer together all night.

Those were the good old days.

Today, whenever any little thing happens it’s a big soap opera that continues on for days.

[OldGriz]

I love the rivalry of the Brawl of the Wild, and unlike other rivalries where I have seen the toxic behavior from fans and players go off the charts, like Ohio State-Michigan, Florida-Florida State, Miami-Florida State, etc. I have always thought we had a decent amount of mutual respect among Bobcat and Griz fans.

However, the way in which UM fans are absolutely going off right now about Vigen and the Davis incident gives me no hope. UM is taking the position that they are the "pure, wonderful, high end character" among all of FCS, while Montana State has descended into thugery among both the players as well as the coaches.

IF both UM and MSU manage to win this next weekend I'm very concerned about what the atmosphere in Bobcat Stadium will be like. Unlike regular home games, I believe the visiting team in the FCS playoffs gets a fairly sizeable number of tickets.

I am so hopeful that UM loses to South Dakota so we don't end up with what could be a very bad scene. I didn't like what Davis did but thanks to ESPN it has been blown up into much more than it was.

Nah, it will just be a pretty normal Cat Griz, with more on the line. Vast majority of interactions will be civil, fun, good natured ribbing, with a few bad eggs thrown in there, probably a couple fights in the stands, etc. Pretty standard. In fact I've heard stories about how there used to be way more fist fights at Cat Griz back in the 70's and 80's. No idea if that's true or not. I don't think it's going to turn int a riot or anything.

Way more fights in the 70s and 80s. More people went to games, bars, school for the fights not to watch, drink or learn.

Fighting used to be the thing. Every town ranked the fighters. People would get into arguments about who the toughest fighters were and if a tough guy came to a town, then that towns tough guy would find out and it was on.

I remember when one of the toughest guys from Billings came to Helena with a few of his buddies. The toughest guy in Helena and his buddies found them and proceeded to “talk trash” and were summarily beaten to a pulp. No cops, no guns, no knives just good old fist fights. Then they all shook hands and drank beer together all night.

Those were the good old days.

Today, whenever any little thing happens it’s a big soap opera that continues on for days.

And a lot less booze in the bleachers today. It was unlimited until the mid-1980s.

[lutecat]

I love the rivalry of the Brawl of the Wild, and unlike other rivalries where I have seen the toxic behavior from fans and players go off the charts, like Ohio State-Michigan, Florida-Florida State, Miami-Florida State, etc. I have always thought we had a decent amount of mutual respect among Bobcat and Griz fans.

However, the way in which UM fans are absolutely going off right now about Vigen and the Davis incident gives me no hope. UM is taking the position that they are the "pure, wonderful, high end character" among all of FCS, while Montana State has descended into thugery among both the players as well as the coaches.

IF both UM and MSU manage to win this next weekend I'm very concerned about what the atmosphere in Bobcat Stadium will be like. Unlike regular home games, I believe the visiting team in the FCS playoffs gets a fairly sizeable number of tickets.

I am so hopeful that UM loses to South Dakota so we don't end up with what could be a very bad scene. I didn't like what Davis did but thanks to ESPN it has been blown up into much more than it was.

Nah, it will just be a pretty normal Cat Griz, with more on the line. Vast majority of interactions will be civil, fun, good natured ribbing, with a few bad eggs thrown in there, probably a couple fights in the stands, etc. Pretty standard. In fact I've heard stories about how there used to be way more fist fights at Cat Griz back in the 70's and 80's. No idea if that's true or not. I don't think it's going to turn int a riot or anything.

Way more fights in the 70s and 80s. More people went to games, bars, school for the fights not to watch, drink or learn.

Fighting used to be the thing. Every town ranked the fighters. People would get into arguments about who the toughest fighters were and if a tough guy came to a town, then that towns tough guy would find out and it was on.

I remember when one of the toughest guys from Billings came to Helena with a few of his buddies. The toughest guy in Helena and his buddies found them and proceeded to “talk trash” and were summarily beaten to a pulp. No cops, no guns, no knives just good old fist fights. Then they all shook hands and drank beer together all night.

Those were the good old days.

Today, whenever any little thing happens it’s a big soap opera that continues on for days.

What rank did you have on the Helena fighter list?