Julius Davis

[coloradocat]

Shouldn’t have played after that IMO. I wonder if coach is worried that with his attitude he may quit on the team if disciplined. I don’t know. Troublesome player and teammate for sure.

I was disappointed that they put him in after that but Vigen doesn't seem to have a good idea of how to discipline him. I was calling for Coon to go in when they subbed out Adam and was very happy that Adam eventually got the TD.

If another player got a celebration penalty or PF for talking smack or a shove should they also sit?

I think there's no problem with instituting repercussions for selfish plays. It's not impossible to play with an edge and also play for the name on the front of the jersey. Score. Celebrate. In that order.

Clearly recurring heart to hearts with Davis haven't gotten the message across. Maybe a nice warm seat would do it. It's not like we don't have multiple team-first RBs available to take a snap or two to help finish out the drive that would have been over already if he could just be a little less selfish.

[rivercat]

Sure glad we have so many posters that have never made a mistake. This holier than thou attitude is exhausting. Its not like he’s out there wreaking havoc on the community, in fact I bet he’s done a lot more for local communities than many of those casting stones

Your wrong about yesterday. That was a selfish, dumbass thing to do that could have cost the team. He's a grown man and I'm not advocating for anything punitive. But he needs to act like a grown man with teammates that could be affected by his actions.

[SparkCat]

Sure glad we have so many posters that have never made a mistake. This holier than thou attitude is exhausting. Its not like he’s out there wreaking havoc on the community, in fact I bet he’s done a lot more for local communities than many of those casting stones

Your wrong about yesterday. That was a selfish, dumbass thing to do that could have cost the team. He's a grown man and I'm not advocating for anything punitive. But he needs to act like a grown man with teammates that could be affected by his actions.

I agree. However, many here have had it out for him since 2023. What he did was dumb, and obviously the refs were going to flag him, even if he did that in the end zone.

I watched Wortham perform an entire dance routine after a TD today, no flag. I watch Gillman do a dumb under the chin wave after every first down, no flag. But a freaking peace sign draws a flag and outrage? It was dumb, but having posters call him ‘thug’ also maybe need to grow up a bit too.

[tetoncat]

Sure glad we have so many posters that have never made a mistake. This holier than thou attitude is exhausting. Its not like he’s out there wreaking havoc on the community, in fact I bet he’s done a lot more for local communities than many of those casting stones

Your wrong about yesterday. That was a selfish, dumbass thing to do that could have cost the team. He's a grown man and I'm not advocating for anything punitive. But he needs to act like a grown man with teammates that could be affected by his actions.

I agree. However, many here have had it out for him since 2023. What he did was dumb, and obviously the refs were going to flag him, even if he did that in the end zone.

I watched Wortham perform an entire dance routine after a TD today, no flag. I watch Gillman do a dumb under the chin wave after every first down, no flag. But a freaking peace sign draws a flag and outrage? It was dumb, but having posters call him ‘thug’ also maybe need to grow up a bit too.

Noticed those things as well. I don't think those should be flagged so don't understand the piece sign being a flag. Is it any celebration before play is over? Shoot Grebe simulated roping the guy as soon as he got up fro.the sack.

[Utcatsfan]

He clearly lacks impulse control, we CANNOT have him cost us points, field position or get a flag next week becausehes emotional. People can claim I have a "holier then thou" attitude all the want or make excuses, when it's been an issue for a few weeks and it's now costing us points and yards it has to be nipped in the bud.

[rivercat]

Sure glad we have so many posters that have never made a mistake. This holier than thou attitude is exhausting. Its not like he’s out there wreaking havoc on the community, in fact I bet he’s done a lot more for local communities than many of those casting stones

Your wrong about yesterday. That was a selfish, dumbass thing to do that could have cost the team. He's a grown man and I'm not advocating for anything punitive. But he needs to act like a grown man with teammates that could be affected by his actions.

I agree. However, many here have had it out for him since 2023. What he did was dumb, and obviously the refs were going to flag him, even if he did that in the end zone.

I watched Wortham perform an entire dance routine after a TD today, no flag. I watch Gillman do a dumb under the chin wave after every first down, no flag. But a freaking peace sign draws a flag and outrage? It was dumb, but having posters call him ‘thug’ also maybe need to grow up a bit too.

Noticed those things as well. I don't think those should be flagged so don't understand the piece sign being a flag. Is it any celebration before play is over? Shoot Grebe simulated roping the guy as soon as he got up fro.the sack.

I'm pretty sure it's the taunting aspect where it's directed at a player, not a celebration.

[ZebraCat]

The difference between the TD dance and the first down signals, and the peace sign to a defender behind you is pretty clear. The first two are celebrations, one is taunting.

[coloradocat]

Sure glad we have so many posters that have never made a mistake. This holier than thou attitude is exhausting. Its not like he’s out there wreaking havoc on the community, in fact I bet he’s done a lot more for local communities than many of those casting stones

Your wrong about yesterday. That was a selfish, dumbass thing to do that could have cost the team. He's a grown man and I'm not advocating for anything punitive. But he needs to act like a grown man with teammates that could be affected by his actions.

I agree. However, many here have had it out for him since 2023. What he did was dumb, and obviously the refs were going to flag him, even if he did that in the end zone.

I watched Wortham perform an entire dance routine after a TD today, no flag. I watch Gillman do a dumb under the chin wave after every first down, no flag. But a freaking peace sign draws a flag and outrage? It was dumb, but having posters call him ‘thug’ also maybe need to grow up a bit too.

I would gladly join a movement to get refs to flag all excessive celebration penalties more often (first down signals, sack celebrations, pretty much everything DBs do). Sure, what Davis did was relatively minor, but that's in relation to what football has devolved into, and it was during the play. Heck, we had a DB celebrate a tackle after giving up a first down! You didn't shut anything down dude.

I know we can't turn back the clock but the way "look at me" culture has become a big part of football is so annoying. Cue old man yelling at clouds meme.

[OldGriz]

Sure glad we have so many posters that have never made a mistake. This holier than thou attitude is exhausting. Its not like he’s out there wreaking havoc on the community, in fact I bet he’s done a lot more for local communities than many of those casting stones

Your wrong about yesterday. That was a selfish, dumbass thing to do that could have cost the team. He's a grown man and I'm not advocating for anything punitive. But he needs to act like a grown man with teammates that could be affected by his actions.

I agree. However, many here have had it out for him since 2023. What he did was dumb, and obviously the refs were going to flag him, even if he did that in the end zone.

I watched Wortham perform an entire dance routine after a TD today, no flag. I watch Gillman do a dumb under the chin wave after every first down, no flag. But a freaking peace sign draws a flag and outrage? It was dumb, but having posters call him ‘thug’ also maybe need to grow up a bit too.

Noticed those things as well. I don't think those should be flagged so don't understand the piece sign being a flag. Is it any celebration before play is over? Shoot Grebe simulated roping the guy as soon as he got up fro.the sack.

I'm pretty sure it's the taunting aspect where it's directed at a player, not a celebration.

In all the examples above, the Julius taunt was the only occurrence that was aimed at a specific player during a play. That’s why it was taunting. Between the snap of the ball and the whistle, he’s supposed to be playing football.

[SparkCat]

Sure glad we have so many posters that have never made a mistake. This holier than thou attitude is exhausting. Its not like he’s out there wreaking havoc on the community, in fact I bet he’s done a lot more for local communities than many of those casting stones

Your wrong about yesterday. That was a selfish, dumbass thing to do that could have cost the team. He's a grown man and I'm not advocating for anything punitive. But he needs to act like a grown man with teammates that could be affected by his actions.

I agree. However, many here have had it out for him since 2023. What he did was dumb, and obviously the refs were going to flag him, even if he did that in the end zone.

I watched Wortham perform an entire dance routine after a TD today, no flag. I watch Gillman do a dumb under the chin wave after every first down, no flag. But a freaking peace sign draws a flag and outrage? It was dumb, but having posters call him ‘thug’ also maybe need to grow up a bit too.

I would gladly join a movement to get refs to all excessive celebration penalties more often (first down signals, sack celebrations, pretty much everything DBs do). Sure, what Davis did was relatively minor, but that's in relation to what football has devolved into, and it was during the play. Heck, we had a DB celebrate a tackle after giving up a first down! You didn't shut anything down dude.

I know we can't turn back the clock but the way "look at me" culture has become a big part of football is so annoying. Cue old man yelling at cloud meme.

Shoot, remember when Willie P. was flagged for doing the first down point, it was a little exaggerated, but now literally every player does it, with a handful of variations. It’s almost more of a flex to Barry Sanders it and just give the ball to the ref and get your butt back to the huddle. Honestly, I just have a soft spot for Davis as I had a fuse about as short as his during my athletic career and oh boy… it took me a few years post college to stop being a manchild, I guess I just am hoping that he learns faster then I did.

[OldGriz]

Julius. Did. It. During. A. Play. That’s. Why. It. Is. A. Penalty.

[catatac]

I see Julius as a tightly wound watch spring. (I know, watches don’t have springs anymore but stay with me). After last week he really wanted to do something great. Cut to this run, he was basically stopped in the line of scrimmage but kept his knees, legs and elbows churning away. Unexpectedly he broke away towards the goal line only to have a minor lapse in judgement and a pretty small wave of his arm at the defender. Looks like a proper call but he still set us up on the 20 and we got the TD right away. No one else on our team gets thru the line on that play.
I say stay wound up Julius and let it rip this coming Saturday.

Just focus on the task at hand and get your ass into the end zone. Then if you feel the need to hurt your team and put them in a hole for the next play, then do whatever you need to do I guess. I totally get it, this is an intense game and he is a super passionate dude, but damn, keep it in check dude. What if he does something like that during the game winning TD run against the Griz on Saturday, and we lose the game because if it? I'm not slamming on him or suggesting he needs to sit or anything like that, just expressing my frustrations with that play and providing constructive criticism I would give him if I ever had the opportunity.

[robgriz]

Sure glad we have so many posters that have never made a mistake. This holier than thou attitude is exhausting. Its not like he’s out there wreaking havoc on the community, in fact I bet he’s done a lot more for local communities than many of those casting stones

Your wrong about yesterday. That was a selfish, dumbass thing to do that could have cost the team. He's a grown man and I'm not advocating for anything punitive. But he needs to act like a grown man with teammates that could be affected by his actions.

I agree. However, many here have had it out for him since 2023. What he did was dumb, and obviously the refs were going to flag him, even if he did that in the end zone.

I watched Wortham perform an entire dance routine after a TD today, no flag. I watch Gillman do a dumb under the chin wave after every first down, no flag. But a freaking peace sign draws a flag and outrage? It was dumb, but having posters call him ‘thug’ also maybe need to grow up a bit too.

I would gladly join a movement to get refs to all excessive celebration penalties more often (first down signals, sack celebrations, pretty much everything DBs do). Sure, what Davis did was relatively minor, but that's in relation to what football has devolved into, and it was during the play. Heck, we had a DB celebrate a tackle after giving up a first down! You didn't shut anything down dude.

I know we can't turn back the clock but the way "look at me" culture has become a big part of football is so annoying. Cue old man yelling at cloud meme.

This!

[tetoncat]

The difference between the TD dance and the first down signals, and the peace sign to a defender behind you is pretty clear. The first two are celebrations, one is taunting.

I suppose but then it was a soft call. Defender trailing him, he did it to the side. Is it automatic I'd you raise your hand or do a signal on way to end zone even if defender is 10 or 20 yards away?

[MrGoodKat]

I’m guessing that there’s a whole lot of overlap between the people who were desperately hoping Vigen would remain our coach and the people who think he doesn’t know what he’s doing with Davis.

[lutecat]

Can we just be done with this? This is getting tiresome. Youre all just arguing the same thing back and forth.

[tetoncat]

Can we just be done with this? This is getting tiresome. Youre all just arguing the same thing back and forth.

Don't read the thread.

[onceacat]

Sure glad we have so many posters that have never made a mistake. This holier than thou attitude is exhausting. Its not like he’s out there wreaking havoc on the community, in fact I bet he’s done a lot more for local communities than many of those casting stones

Your wrong about yesterday. That was a selfish, dumbass thing to do that could have cost the team. He's a grown man and I'm not advocating for anything punitive. But he needs to act like a grown man with teammates that could be affected by his actions.

I agree. However, many here have had it out for him since 2023. What he did was dumb, and obviously the refs were going to flag him, even if he did that in the end zone.

I watched Wortham perform an entire dance routine after a TD today, no flag. I watch Gillman do a dumb under the chin wave after every first down, no flag. But a freaking peace sign draws a flag and outrage? It was dumb, but having posters call him ‘thug’ also maybe need to grow up a bit too.

Noticed those things as well. I don't think those should be flagged so don't understand the piece sign being a flag. Is it any celebration before play is over? Shoot Grebe simulated roping the guy as soon as he got up fro.the sack.

I'm pretty sure it's the taunting aspect where it's directed at a player, not a celebration.

Yep. If Grebe pretended to rope a player it would be a penalty every time. The rule is basically that you can celebrate all you want, but you pretty much can't direct anything at an opposing player.

Its a REALLY boneheaded thing for a freshman to do, let alone a super senior.

I'm not suggesting he get kicked off the team or benched or anything like that, but 100% if I were a coach I would have benched him for the rest of the game since it was pretty well in hand.

[bobcatfan123]

Julius. Did. It. During. A. Play. That’s. Why. It. Is. A. Penalty.

Thanks for explaining it to us nice and slow old Griz. lol actually pretty funny

[lutecat]

Can we just be done with this? This is getting tiresome. Youre all just arguing the same thing back and forth.

Don't read the thread.

Don't keep arguing the same points.