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What Really Matters on Saturday

Post by Catprint » Fri Dec 19, 2025 10:03 am

Only because there is too much time between now and Saturday at 2:00 PM and because we are all in the mood to be jovial and share our opinions openly in the hopes they will be accepted and appreciated!! LOL.

Everyone has a point of view. I get that as Cats fans we want to look at all the “data” that suggests/hints/points to the Cats winning on Saturday. But I take some issue with @MrGoodKat ’s data points. Not that they are not true. They are indeed true and factual. But I contend, as does @OldGriz, that they simply don’t matter. Here is my list of what matters and what doesn’t matter for Saturday’s Brawl 2.0.

What Doesn’t Matter on Saturday
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1) The leader of the Brawl historical record
2) The leader of the last 20 years of Brawl history.
3) The leader of the last 7 years of The Brawl history.
4) The winner of the last Brawl.
5) The number of games Bobby Hauck has won in Bozeman.
6) Brent Vigens record as the coach of the Bobcats
7) Brent Vigens record in the playoffs.
8 ) The Cats home record in the last 45 games
9) The lack of a road team win in the last 8 years in the semi-finals
10) The Griz have not played in a hostile environment this year
11) The Griz have only one road playoff victory all-time.
12) Whether it is or is not more difficult statistically to beat a team twice in the same year.
13) That the Cats score higher on 8 out of 11 PFF measures.
14) That either team has a higher points per game on offense; lower points per game on defense; higher margin of victory; more rushing yards per game; fewer rushing yards allowed per game; ad nauseum.
15) Home field advantage with regard to fan noise and false starts. In fact, the data points that the Cats have WAY more false starts in the playoffs than their opponents (8 to 1 by my count). (Also, see What Matters)
16) The betting odds
17) The over/under
18) Who FCS experts to pick to win.
19) Sagarin, Massey, SI+, ESPN Power Index or any other measure of which team is better.
20) What any fan on eGris or bobcat nation thinks or says about who will win the game
21) The weather (it may matter in some games with some teams but not in this game with these two teams. Wind, snow and cold will affect both teams equally.)
22) The number of Cats branded clothing I wear to the game on Saturday.

Why Doesn’t it Matter?

All of these items (and a hundred more) are only evidence of past performance. As every perspective of any mutual fund says; “Past Performance is not indicative or a guarantee of Future Performance.” In aggregate, the past is only predictive of who would win a certain number of games if 100 games were played. They have NO definitive predictive value on any one game – ZERO.

This is where I agree with @TomCat88 in some other posts he has done. Stats and past performance only give us information in a hypothetical multiple game match up - 7 games; 20 games; 100 games. They are of no value in any single game. They DO NOT say there is a 60% chance of winning any particular game. Only that if 100 games were played, Team A would win about 60 of them. This is why betting is a fools errand.

We only need to take one recent example. Team A is 12-0. Team A has beaten every team by a substantial margin. Team A has won over a dozen national championships. Team A has been in 15 out of the last 16 semi-final games. Team A is the overwhelming favorite to win the national championship. Team A has already beaten 6 national ranked teams; more than any other team in the country. Team A has beaten Team B handily. In the rematch game, Team A scores on the first play of their first possession with an 80-yard pass play. Team A scores on a Pick-6. Team A scores on a Punt Return. Team A intercepts Team B 5 times (5 TIMES!). Team A stops Team B on downs twice late in the game…. Ok, you get it. In a 100 games, NDSU will win around 95, maybe 98 of them. Illinois state will win 2 or 4 and ONE game out of the hundred will be so bizarre that almost any statistical analysis makes no sense. The NDSU-Illinois State playoff game was that one bizarre game on the field. Right now every NDSU fan who had already purchased airline tickets; made hotel reservations and put in for vacation is sitting at home and asking what happened? EVERY. SINGLE. PAST. PERFORMANCE. INDICATOR. was on their side. Every single fact, every single FCS expert; every single oddsmaker; every more than casual FCS fan knew NDSU was going to win. It was a fact. Alas, it didn’t happen because…

What Does Matter

So what does matter on Saturday. Well, mostly things none of us have any control over and some of which no one has control over.

1) Which players are injured or sick and cannot play or are playing at substantially less than 100% full strength.
2) Which players get injured in the game and cannot return.
3) Whether the players and the team are over-confident; confident; unsure or intimidated by the opponent and/or the moment.
4) The pure emotion, energy and fortitude of individual players and their ability to play at the highest level at any particular time in the game.
5) The coaching staff of each team and how they draw up a game plan to contain the other team’s offense and to score points when they have the ball.
6) The referee’s decision to call or not all a penalty on what could be a crucial play. Yes, referee’s do make a difference. In close games; in evenly matched games; a penalty at a critical moment matters.
7) Momentum (Karma? Home Field) built through a series of events (like a Pick-6; 4th down stop, etc.) can change a player’s or multiple players’ perspective on whether they can win the game and could result in stronger or weaker responses in a given sequence or series of plays.
8 ) Simple good old-fashioned luck. The ball bounces where it may. Sometimes a fumble just lays on the ground and an offensive lineman is right there and falls on it. Sometimes like in last year’s semi, the snap bounces off the QB’s hands, falls to the ground and bounces right back into his hands allowing for a 43-yard touchdown run. Sometime the tipped pass falls into the DB’s hands; sometimes not. Yes, teams and players make their own luck- at times. But they never decide where the ball will go when it goes off a hand or onto the ground.

There you have it – the only things that matter are the players on the field that day and where they are in moment; the coaches and their pre-game and in-game plan; the referees and the calls they make or don’t make and lady luck who seems to never choose sides even when it appears she is on our side. It really is that simple.

And all this said, disagree with my list. Chop it up. Have at it. I work with numbers but live off emotion. So I can be swayed. Just looking for a good argument. None of this doesn't mean we won't win tomorrow!!!

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Re: What Really Matters on Saturday

Post by RockyBearCat » Fri Dec 19, 2025 2:25 pm

I'll take a shot at this one --> 10) The Griz have not played in a hostile environment this year

This is a factor in tomorrow's game. Not having experience in a loud environment and having to learn that at game speed will have an effect.

I totally agree that the historical records, etc. don't have a factor, but never playing in noise and then having to will matter.



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Re: What Really Matters on Saturday

Post by OutlanderCatAlum » Fri Dec 19, 2025 2:52 pm

Re: What Really Matters on Saturday

Thanks for that take, RockyBearCat. I have also been concerned about injuries/illness that aren't getting much press (for appropriate reasons, likely).

I would add, though, that the following (probably included as assumed in your list) fundamentals should also be on the list of what really matters on Saturday: good tackling, blocking, and ball control/protection.



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Re: What Really Matters on Saturday

Post by Catsrgrood » Fri Dec 19, 2025 3:10 pm

OutlanderCatAlum wrote:
Fri Dec 19, 2025 2:52 pm
Re: What Really Matters on Saturday

Thanks for that take, RockyBearCat. I have also been concerned about injuries/illness that aren't getting much press (for appropriate reasons, likely).
This is definitely something to watch.

I’d be shocked if Brott didn’t play, but he’s not 100%. How good does he look? Is someone like Asuega ready to get any meaningful snaps if needed?

Tayden Gray- does he play? All of a sudden that JJ Dolan injury is a whole lot worse (already was not good) if we are down Gray as well.

LB- hope they’re all healthy and not sick anymore. If they’re all good to go, we’re fine, if anyone isn’t feeling well, that’s not good being down Ahrens already. Depth gets thin quickly when you start losing multiple guys in the same position group.



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Re: What Really Matters on Saturday

Post by wbtfg » Fri Dec 19, 2025 3:13 pm

Friendship and camaraderie?



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Re: What Really Matters on Saturday

Post by BelgradeBobcat » Fri Dec 19, 2025 3:22 pm

wbtfg wrote:
Fri Dec 19, 2025 3:13 pm
Friendship and camaraderie?
and both teams have fun!



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Re: What Really Matters on Saturday

Post by catatac » Fri Dec 19, 2025 3:31 pm

Catsrgrood wrote:
Fri Dec 19, 2025 3:10 pm
OutlanderCatAlum wrote:
Fri Dec 19, 2025 2:52 pm
Re: What Really Matters on Saturday

Thanks for that take, RockyBearCat. I have also been concerned about injuries/illness that aren't getting much press (for appropriate reasons, likely).
This is definitely something to watch.

I’d be shocked if Brott didn’t play, but he’s not 100%. How good does he look? Is someone like Asuega ready to get any meaningful snaps if needed?

Tayden Gray- does he play? All of a sudden that JJ Dolan injury is a whole lot worse (already was not good) if we are down Gray as well.

LB- hope they’re all healthy and not sick anymore. If they’re all good to go, we’re fine, if anyone isn’t feeling well, that’s not good being down Ahrens already. Depth gets thin quickly when you start losing multiple guys in the same position group.
Yep, you never know how much coaches are keeping on the dowl low but if you believe Vigen, he said everybody that played last weekend will dress and should be good to go Then in the one Brott interview, he said he'd be fine, will PT all week, get a shot before the game, and be ready to roll.


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Re: What Really Matters on Saturday

Post by 84CatGrad » Fri Dec 19, 2025 4:22 pm

All that really matters is that we score more points than they do.



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Re: What Really Matters on Saturday

Post by technoCat » Fri Dec 19, 2025 4:37 pm

84CatGrad wrote:
Fri Dec 19, 2025 4:22 pm
All that really matters is that we score more points than they do.
:lol: I was just thinking this in John Madden's voice.


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Re: What Really Matters on Saturday

Post by Catprint » Fri Dec 19, 2025 9:59 pm

RockyBearCat wrote:
Fri Dec 19, 2025 2:25 pm
I'll take a shot at this one --> 10) The Griz have not played in a hostile environment this year

This is a factor in tomorrow's game. Not having experience in a loud environment and having to learn that at game speed will have an effect.

I totally agree that the historical records, etc. don't have a factor, but never playing in noise and then having to will matter.
My reason for saying hostile environment is not a factor is that a sizable number of these players either played in Bobcat Stadium and at SDSU last year or played in a hostile environment at the FBS level. I just feel like the "hostile environment" is oversold. We played at Oregon and did poorly but played at WaGris and we had no issue with it. I just don't see how it matters much if the visiting team is on point.



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Re: What Really Matters on Saturday

Post by OldGriz » Fri Dec 19, 2025 11:14 pm

Catprint wrote:
Fri Dec 19, 2025 9:59 pm
RockyBearCat wrote:
Fri Dec 19, 2025 2:25 pm
I'll take a shot at this one --> 10) The Griz have not played in a hostile environment this year

This is a factor in tomorrow's game. Not having experience in a loud environment and having to learn that at game speed will have an effect.

I totally agree that the historical records, etc. don't have a factor, but never playing in noise and then having to will matter.
My reason for saying hostile environment is not a factor is that a sizable number of these players either played in Bobcat Stadium and at SDSU last year or played in a hostile environment at the FBS level. I just feel like the "hostile environment" is oversold. We played at Oregon and did poorly but played at WaGris and we had no issue with it. I just don't see how it matters much if the visiting team is on point.
I don’t think the Griz will feel Bobcat Stadium is a “hostile environment.” It’s just a lot of great fans yelling loudly when the Griz have the ball. It’s going to be easier for the Griz offense to hear on the field in Bozeman than it is in Missoula when the Griz offense is trying to communicate with their position coaches on the sideline. It will be a spirited crowd, but it’s not going cause visiting players to pee down their leg.



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Re: What Really Matters on Saturday

Post by gtapp » Fri Dec 19, 2025 11:24 pm

wbtfg wrote:
Fri Dec 19, 2025 3:13 pm
Friendship and camaraderie?
Amongst who???????


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Re: What Really Matters on Saturday

Post by catatac » Sat Dec 20, 2025 12:23 am

OldGriz wrote:
Fri Dec 19, 2025 11:14 pm
Catprint wrote:
Fri Dec 19, 2025 9:59 pm
RockyBearCat wrote:
Fri Dec 19, 2025 2:25 pm
I'll take a shot at this one --> 10) The Griz have not played in a hostile environment this year

This is a factor in tomorrow's game. Not having experience in a loud environment and having to learn that at game speed will have an effect.

I totally agree that the historical records, etc. don't have a factor, but never playing in noise and then having to will matter.
My reason for saying hostile environment is not a factor is that a sizable number of these players either played in Bobcat Stadium and at SDSU last year or played in a hostile environment at the FBS level. I just feel like the "hostile environment" is oversold. We played at Oregon and did poorly but played at WaGris and we had no issue with it. I just don't see how it matters much if the visiting team is on point.
I don’t think the Griz will feel Bobcat Stadium is a “hostile environment.” It’s just a lot of great fans yelling loudly when the Griz have the ball. It’s going to be easier for the Griz offense to hear on the field in Bozeman than it is in Missoula when the Griz offense is trying to communicate with their position coaches on the sideline. It will be a spirited crowd, but it’s not going cause visiting players to pee down their leg.
I don't know what you're getting at here, but it is definitely going to be challenging for the Griz offense to communicate their normal stuff when they're trying to do it with more crowd noise than they've ever heard. We'll see how it goes!


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Re: What Really Matters on Saturday

Post by catscat » Sat Dec 20, 2025 10:31 am

OldGriz wrote:
Fri Dec 19, 2025 11:14 pm
Catprint wrote:
Fri Dec 19, 2025 9:59 pm
RockyBearCat wrote:
Fri Dec 19, 2025 2:25 pm
I'll take a shot at this one --> 10) The Griz have not played in a hostile environment this year

This is a factor in tomorrow's game. Not having experience in a loud environment and having to learn that at game speed will have an effect.

I totally agree that the historical records, etc. don't have a factor, but never playing in noise and then having to will matter.
My reason for saying hostile environment is not a factor is that a sizable number of these players either played in Bobcat Stadium and at SDSU last year or played in a hostile environment at the FBS level. I just feel like the "hostile environment" is oversold. We played at Oregon and did poorly but played at WaGris and we had no issue with it. I just don't see how it matters much if the visiting team is on point.
I don’t think the Griz will feel Bobcat Stadium is a “hostile environment.” It’s just a lot of great fans yelling loudly when the Griz have the ball. It’s going to be easier for the Griz offense to hear on the field in Bozeman than it is in Missoula when the Griz offense is trying to communicate with their position coaches on the sideline. It will be a spirited crowd, but it’s not going cause visiting players to pee down their leg.
Have you ever been in Bobcat Stadium? And pretty bad on gris fans if their offense can't communicate when they have the ball.


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Re: What Really Matters on Saturday

Post by OldGriz » Sat Dec 20, 2025 10:48 am

catscat wrote:
Sat Dec 20, 2025 10:31 am
OldGriz wrote:
Fri Dec 19, 2025 11:14 pm
Catprint wrote:
Fri Dec 19, 2025 9:59 pm
RockyBearCat wrote:
Fri Dec 19, 2025 2:25 pm
I'll take a shot at this one --> 10) The Griz have not played in a hostile environment this year

This is a factor in tomorrow's game. Not having experience in a loud environment and having to learn that at game speed will have an effect.

I totally agree that the historical records, etc. don't have a factor, but never playing in noise and then having to will matter.
My reason for saying hostile environment is not a factor is that a sizable number of these players either played in Bobcat Stadium and at SDSU last year or played in a hostile environment at the FBS level. I just feel like the "hostile environment" is oversold. We played at Oregon and did poorly but played at WaGris and we had no issue with it. I just don't see how it matters much if the visiting team is on point.
I don’t think the Griz will feel Bobcat Stadium is a “hostile environment.” It’s just a lot of great fans yelling loudly when the Griz have the ball. It’s going to be easier for the Griz offense to hear on the field in Bozeman than it is in Missoula when the Griz offense is trying to communicate with their position coaches on the sideline. It will be a spirited crowd, but it’s not going cause visiting players to pee down their leg.
Have you ever been in Bobcat Stadium? And pretty bad on gris fans if their offense can't communicate when they have the ball.
I go to Cat-Griz games in Bobcat Stadium. If you take another look at my post, you’ll see I was talking about the noise in Missoula when the visiting team has the ball (loud) and the Griz offense is on the sideline.



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Re: What Really Matters on Saturday

Post by Catprint » Sat Dec 20, 2025 1:18 pm

My additional data point is the home teams in the FCS payoffs are only 12 out of 20 or 12-8. I understand few teams have a home crowd like the Cats but home field advantage is not what it used to be. looks possible the first two CFP games will go to the visitors. I am counting on the Cats playing well and executing well as opposed to any advantage from the noise. Even though i will be screaming for 3 hours straight.



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Re: What Really Matters on Saturday

Post by technoCat » Sat Dec 20, 2025 2:37 pm

Catprint wrote:
Sat Dec 20, 2025 1:18 pm
My additional data point is the home teams in the FCS payoffs are only 12 out of 20 or 12-8. I understand few teams have a home crowd like the Cats but home field advantage is not what it used to be. looks possible the first two CFP games will go to the visitors. I am counting on the Cats playing well and executing well as opposed to any advantage from the noise. Even though i will be screaming for 3 hours straight.
But the Montana teams are 4-0... 8)


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Re: What Really Matters on Saturday

Post by onceacat » Sat Dec 20, 2025 2:47 pm

Catprint wrote:
Sat Dec 20, 2025 1:18 pm
My additional data point is the home teams in the FCS payoffs are only 12 out of 20 or 12-8. I understand few teams have a home crowd like the Cats but home field advantage is not what it used to be. looks possible the first two CFP games will go to the visitors. I am counting on the Cats playing well and executing well as opposed to any advantage from the noise. Even though i will be screaming for 3 hours straight.
Alabaman was a 1.5 point favorite prior to the game. They finished the season as the #2 team in the SEC ahead of Oklahoma. So not exactly a surprise that the higher ranked, stronger team won on the road. Sort of like the Cats winning in Missoula last month.

TAM was only a 3.5 point favorite & easily could have won except for the last second INT.

MAYBE FCS home field isn't what it used to be, but I dunno, the Cats 40-2 (or whatever it was) record over the past few years suggests that home field is still really important. Does anyone think that the Pandas would have beat UND and EWU if they had been road games this year?



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