The official/UNofficial Bobcat-Redbirds National Championship Gameday Thread

[coloradocat]

No need to start a whole new thread on this, but a take of mine was we were outcoached in that game. Specifically not being able to adjust for our snap issues, conservative play calls in second half.

Excuse me, you aren't complaining about winning a national championship are you??



I agree on the snap issues, especially since it was a minor issue all season and a more significant issue earlier in the playoffs. The play calling largely stemmed from that. If we still have the same OL coach next year he needs to get that figured out and Sterbick needs to be able to adjust when something continually goes wrong.

[technoCat]

No need to start a whole new thread on this, but a take of mine was we were outcoached in that game. Specifically not being able to adjust for our snap issues, conservative play calls in second half.

Do you know they didn't adjust? I swear we started going faster as the game went on (which also lead to us not eating up as much time) to try and spend less time at the LoS. Do you replace your senior lineman?

Our gameplan was very clear, make them take more time than they had left to get back in the game. The offense was unable to help as they kept going 3 and out and were probably too aggressive because they kept having multiple incompletes instead of running the ball to keep the clock moving. You mentioned in your POD the negative yardage on the last 3 drives but I bet those drives also only took up like 2 minutes of game time. If the clock is running the whole time, maybe ISU is forced to be a bit more aggressive and it plays into our hands on D and we get the turnovers out of Rittenhouse that NDSU got.

All in all, we were not outcoached because our plan won the game. Apparently ISU's plan is to let the other team get a big lead and then make a bunch of unforced mistakes(or were they forced ) to let you wear them down and get back in it. Worked for them once for the miracle but not the second time.

[wbtfg]

No need to start a whole new thread on this, but a take of mine was we were outcoached in that game. Specifically not being able to adjust for our snap issues, conservative play calls in second half.

Disagree to some degree. I'm not sure how much of the snap issue was coaching....like how do you coach that up other than saying "stop jumping!"? That said, it's something that continued to show up all year long, and we didn't do a good job of fixing it. I honestly wouldn't be shocked if we restructured a bit and brought in a more veteran voice in the OL room.

Also, I don't think we got conservative in the 2nd half, at least not on offense. Heck, Jones and Davis combined for only 10 rushes the entire game! I would have liked to have seen them run the ball a little more.

Defensively, we probably did get a little conservative, but that's kind of been our MO all year, and not having Caden in the back end forced our hand to be a little more conservative, I think.

I will say, ISU did a really good job of changing up their defense to create more pressure on Lamson during the 2nd half, and we didn't see to be ready for that. But ultimately, you live by the sword and die by the sword....that cover 0 pressure is what allowed taco to get so wide open.

[allcat]

No need to start a whole new thread on this, but a take of mine was we were outcoached in that game. Specifically not being able to adjust for our snap issues, conservative play calls in second half.

Specifically? That word should come in your next sentence that explains, specifically, why you think the snap issues are coaching issues and what they could've told the players to fix it, and what plays you though were conservative.

The snap issues seem like they could just as easily be on the players. Kind of like saying the coach should fix a team's poor free throw shooting during halftime or during a timeout. Whenever an offense is struggling someone says it's poor play calling, kind of like when their team doesn't get a rebound they say, "box out!!!"

The worst play call I saw was when ISU ran the ball from its own 10 with :12 to play. Fumble, clock stops, send in FG unit.

Specifically, we had false start problems in the red zone all year and they got blown up in the Yale game and this game. If it's the players, it still goes back to the coaches. This team had to have set a record with the number of fall starts for the year .
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[tetoncat]

No need to start a whole new thread on this, but a take of mine was we were outcoached in that game. Specifically not being able to adjust for our snap issues, conservative play calls in second half.

Specifically? That word should come in your next sentence that explains, specifically, why you think the snap issues are coaching issues and what they could've told the players to fix it, and what plays you though were conservative.

The snap issues seem like they could just as easily be on the players. Kind of like saying the coach should fix a team's poor free throw shooting during halftime or during a timeout. Whenever an offense is struggling someone says it's poor play calling, kind of like when their team doesn't get a rebound they say, "box out!!!"

The worst play call I saw was when ISU ran the ball from its own 10 with :12 to play. Fumble, clock stops, send in FG unit.

My vote for worst play call is 1st series of 2nd half. Had moved ball near the 50. 3rd and 1. Did the look to sideline and then quick snap. LB blew it up. Score inthat drive it is 3 possession game. had 2 downs to get 1 yard.

[iaafan]

If you’re still false starting in college, that’s on the player. False starts are cleaned up in peewee leagues. No college coaches should need to work with a player on false starts. HFS.

[iaafan]

No need to start a whole new thread on this, but a take of mine was we were outcoached in that game. Specifically not being able to adjust for our snap issues, conservative play calls in second half.

Specifically? That word should come in your next sentence that explains, specifically, why you think the snap issues are coaching issues and what they could've told the players to fix it, and what plays you though were conservative.

The snap issues seem like they could just as easily be on the players. Kind of like saying the coach should fix a team's poor free throw shooting during halftime or during a timeout. Whenever an offense is struggling someone says it's poor play calling, kind of like when their team doesn't get a rebound they say, "box out!!!"

The worst play call I saw was when ISU ran the ball from its own 10 with :12 to play. Fumble, clock stops, send in FG unit.

My vote for worst play call is 1st series of 2nd half. Had moved ball near the 50. 3rd and 1. Did the look to sideline and then quick snap. LB blew it up. Score inthat drive it is 3 possession game. had 2 downs to get 1 yard.

Yeah, they were trying to get cute there. But if that’s something they did all year, then it’s poor execution.

Lamson and Taco both credited the coaches for the final play.

It takes everyone to win games though.

[coloradocat]

If you’re still false starting in college, that’s on the player. False starts are cleaned up in peewee leagues. No college coaches should need to work with a player on false starts. HFS.

What other things should college coaches ignore and just accept rather than work to fix?

[iaafan]

If you’re still false starting in college, that’s on the player. False starts are cleaned up in peewee leagues. No college coaches should need to work with a player on false starts. HFS.

What other things should college coaches ignore and just accept rather than work to fix?

Do you honestly believe that they don’t do or say anything about any and all mistakes players make? Please tell us what the coach can tell a player about not moving before the snap that isn’t something that the players already know?

[iaafan]

There’s no special technique to make yourself never false start. If there was, no one would ever false start.

[ZebraCat]

If you’re still false starting in college, that’s on the player. False starts are cleaned up in peewee leagues. No college coaches should need to work with a player on false starts. HFS.

I don't know what non peewee leagues you watch, but false starts could be called almost every play until you get to HS JV.

[iaafan]

If you’re still false starting in college, that’s on the player. False starts are cleaned up in peewee leagues. No college coaches should need to work with a player on false starts. HFS.

I don't know what non peewee leagues you watch, but false starts could be called almost every play until you get to HS JV.

I was exaggerating for effect. Should’ve known someone would run with that.

I’ve reffed peewee and coached peewee. So, I know exactly what you mean.

[91catAlum]

No need to start a whole new thread on this, but a take of mine was we were outcoached in that game. Specifically not being able to adjust for our snap issues, conservative play calls in second half.

Disagree to some degree. I'm not sure how much of the snap issue was coaching....like how do you coach that up other than saying "stop jumping!"? That said, it's something that continued to show up all year long, and we didn't do a good job of fixing it. I honestly wouldn't be shocked if we restructured a bit and brought in a more veteran voice in the OL room.

How about a silent count? That could've helped whether the issue was crowd noise or the defense using disconcerting signals.
I'm not a coach but it seems like trying something, anything, would've been better than doing nothing and hoping it went away by itself.

[iaafan]

No need to start a whole new thread on this, but a take of mine was we were outcoached in that game. Specifically not being able to adjust for our snap issues, conservative play calls in second half.

Disagree to some degree. I'm not sure how much of the snap issue was coaching....like how do you coach that up other than saying "stop jumping!"? That said, it's something that continued to show up all year long, and we didn't do a good job of fixing it. I honestly wouldn't be shocked if we restructured a bit and brought in a more veteran voice in the OL room.

How about a silent count? That could've helped whether the issue was crowd noise or the defense using disconcerting signals.
I'm not a coach but it seems like trying something, anything, would've been better than doing nothing and hoping it went away by itself.

Now that’s a good point/idea. But the first four false starts were dressed up by TDs. So it could be that the lack of suffering and wanting to trust the players made them not go that route.

[TomCat88]

The Cats came out of the first three quarters unharmed by their mistakes. The first four false starts were during TD drives. The late hit by Taylor on the ISU TD drive was probably negated by the quick TD before halftime.

The continuation of that stuff was a big reason ISU came back. You can only get away with that for so long before it catches up to you.

MSU had numerous chances on defense to really take control. I kept expecting them to make a play on fourth down or get a turnover. That finally came in the last minute and OT via special teams.

The player that hasn’t gotten the credit he deserved is Parsons. He had his facemask grabbed by an ISU all American OL on the blocked XP. That was a great play.

If this had been a regular season game, it would have a lot of learning points and the good, the bad and the ugly thread would be a long one.

The same official made two very questionable calls on the ISU drive that made it 21-14. Both plays were reviewable but weren’t reviewed and could have put the game on a different tangent completely.

MSU made a great effort in that drive forcing ISU to need six plays, a penalty and a recovered fumble in the end zone to score. Rittenhouse pleaded with the coaches to put Dawson in and he was stoned twice and fumbled.

I think that, and his inability to run in the second half is part of the reason why ISU opted to kick the field goal or attempt to. Rittenhouse was visibly upset after the block but he had a chance to get the first down the play before and basically screwed up.

If he was so sure they’d make it he should’ve been more adamant about it before the kick. (see Bernie Kosar in the Flutie Hail Mary game).

[aucat]

I finally got around to watching the full game replay because my brother in law said I wouldn't believe some of the stuff that he saw on TV that I missed watching it in person. I have to agree.
1. The ISU guy was CLEARLY down before he fumbled the ball in the end zone recovered by a Rebbird for a TD. It was CLEAR to anyone with eyes.
2. To me the most amazing play was about 1 minute left in the first quarter. Number 67 for ISU ASSAULTED Zac Crews. He wrestled him down to the ground like he was in the rodeo trying to twist his head off. Then with Crews helpless on the ground, number 67 dove down onto him helmet first. Granted, a 15 yard penalty was called but this behavior was so extreme, that 67 SHOULD have been thrown out of the game. Even the announcers really made note of this terrible play.
3. THe last "false start" on our critical drive in OT was, as the announcers put it, a "GHOST call." THere was abolutely NOT MOVEMENT by our guy. How could the official make such a terrible call at such a critical time in the game?? If he had not made this ghost call we would have had about 3rd and 2. Thank goodness Lamson made the miracle throw to overcome this TERRIBLE call!
4. Even from where I was sitting at the opposite end of the field I vividly saw the ISU WR push our DB to the ground. In this case thank goodness the officials made the right call. But then on TV I saw the ISU coach go off about what a horrible call it was. Frankly this comment along with the way the ISU coach barely shook Vigen's hand at the end of the game made me lose a lot of respect for the guy.

I'm just thankful we found a way to come out on top despite the adversity!

[CodyCat]

Over six hours of ‘high stress’ during the Natty. This screenshot from my watch is hilarious. For reference, I had 12 minutes the next day and seven minutes on Wednesday of high stress.

[kwcat]

Over six hours of ‘high stress’ during the Natty. This screenshot from my watch is hilarious. For reference, I had 12 minutes the next day and seven minutes on Wednesday of high stress.

[tdub]

I finally got around to watching the full game replay because my brother in law said I wouldn't believe some of the stuff that he saw on TV that I missed watching it in person. I have to agree.
1. The ISU guy was CLEARLY down before he fumbled the ball in the end zone recovered by a Rebbird for a TD. It was CLEAR to anyone with eyes.
2. To me the most amazing play was about 1 minute left in the first quarter. Number 67 for ISU ASSAULTED Zac Crews. He wrestled him down to the ground like he was in the rodeo trying to twist his head off. Then with Crews helpless on the ground, number 67 dove down onto him helmet first. Granted, a 15 yard penalty was called but this behavior was so extreme, that 67 SHOULD have been thrown out of the game. Even the announcers really made note of this terrible play.
3. THe last "false start" on our critical drive in OT was, as the announcers put it, a "GHOST call." THere was abolutely NOT MOVEMENT by our guy. How could the official make such a terrible call at such a critical time in the game?? If he had not made this ghost call we would have had about 3rd and 2. Thank goodness Lamson made the miracle throw to overcome this TERRIBLE call!
4. Even from where I was sitting at the opposite end of the field I vividly saw the ISU WR push our DB to the ground. In this case thank goodness the officials made the right call. But then on TV I saw the ISU coach go off about what a horrible call it was. Frankly this comment along with the way the ISU coach barely shook Vigen's hand at the end of the game made me lose a lot of respect for the guy.

I'm just thankful we found a way to come out on top despite the adversity!

1. I can see and I saw he was clearly NOT down. The ball was moving before anything touched. There was an angle or two where it looked like he was down, but there was one definitive shot where he was not.
2. Agreed. IMO one of those situations where 15 yards was not enough, but ejection was too much.
3. Agreed
4. Disagree. The reporter at the quarter break completely led him into that answer. He obviously didn’t agree with the call, but was baited into complaining in an emotional moment of the game. I don’t judge the post game handshake unless something totally egregious happens. The dude just had his heart ripped from his chest.

[94VegasCat]

I finally got around to watching the full game replay because my brother in law said I wouldn't believe some of the stuff that he saw on TV that I missed watching it in person. I have to agree.
1. The ISU guy was CLEARLY down before he fumbled the ball in the end zone recovered by a Rebbird for a TD. It was CLEAR to anyone with eyes.
2. To me the most amazing play was about 1 minute left in the first quarter. Number 67 for ISU ASSAULTED Zac Crews. He wrestled him down to the ground like he was in the rodeo trying to twist his head off. Then with Crews helpless on the ground, number 67 dove down onto him helmet first. Granted, a 15 yard penalty was called but this behavior was so extreme, that 67 SHOULD have been thrown out of the game. Even the announcers really made note of this terrible play.
3. THe last "false start" on our critical drive in OT was, as the announcers put it, a "GHOST call." THere was abolutely NOT MOVEMENT by our guy. How could the official make such a terrible call at such a critical time in the game?? If he had not made this ghost call we would have had about 3rd and 2. Thank goodness Lamson made the miracle throw to overcome this TERRIBLE call!
4. Even from where I was sitting at the opposite end of the field I vividly saw the ISU WR push our DB to the ground. In this case thank goodness the officials made the right call. But then on TV I saw the ISU coach go off about what a horrible call it was. Frankly this comment along with the way the ISU coach barely shook Vigen's hand at the end of the game made me lose a lot of respect for the guy.

I'm just thankful we found a way to come out on top despite the adversity!

1. I can see and I saw he was clearly NOT down. The ball was moving before anything touched. There was an angle or two where it looked like he was down, but there was one definitive shot where he was not.
2. Agreed. IMO one of those situations where 15 yards was not enough, but ejection was too much.
3. Agreed
4. Disagree. The reporter at the quarter break completely led him into that answer. He obviously didn’t agree with the call, but was baited into complaining in an emotional moment of the game. I don’t judge the post game handshake unless something totally egregious happens. The dude just had his heart ripped from his chest.

1. Upon watching it on replay, my initial take was that it was a fumble. It looked like the ball was moving before he touched the ground. But then I watched it again and again and again, and I’m pretty damn sure his shoulder was on the ground before the ball came out. Could that in effect be ruled that the ground does not cause a fumble and therefore was down?